RUSSIA/РОССИЯ THREAD—ASSANGE CHRGD W/ SPYING—DJT IMPEACHED TWICE-US TREASURY SANCTS KILIMNIK AS RUSSIAN AGNT

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If you're ever put in any situation similar to the one they're in you don't ever want to answer a question that you don't have to even if you really have nothing to hide. Because once you commit to an answer all they have to do is find ways to discredit it.

I understand the frustration, but these dudes know EXACTLY how this game works and they ain't falling for it.
This is the only thing keeping me positive through all of this. None of these dudes want to say something on the record that can be called into question later or used against them.
 

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Lmao...ya'll hanging too much on the public testimony. There is no way anyone will publicly state that they felt pressured by the president. I guarantee you that Mueller has consulted with them and asked them not to make those accusations as the investigation is pending and he doesn't want anyone coming back after the fact to claim that Rogers, Coats, Comey were unfairly accusing Trump of obstruction without providing direct evidence. It would be like a prosecutor telling subordinates not to make public statements that might appear to be tampering with the potential jury pool.

Note that Rogers used the qualifier of "to my best recollection" or words to that effect and Coats straight up said he doesn't feel comfortable talking in public. Look at how Comey originally stated essentially the same thing (no attempt to coerce him etc) but leaks from his camp essentially confirm (without making direct allegation) Trumps desire to end investigation prematurely etc. Trace the evolution of Clapper's statements. It is pretty clear that for the people they are faced with the choice of the lesser of two evils:

1. Disclose everything and anything, in contravention of Mueller's preference and possibly hurting the investigation

2. Be coy and to some extent diversionary (best example would be Clapper stating he wasn't aware of any collusion/investigation etc but later on clarified that its because he wasn't briefed on the FBI investigation) in the interest of not tainting the investigation BUT knowing you're going to take some personal heat from the public and from politicians

At this point in the investigation no one is going to go all out and declare Trump to be guilty of the things that we all know he has done. This is why the leaks are coming. It's how the people on the inside (as well as main characters such as Comey, Clapper etc) are able to get the real story out since there is no way they will disclose the facts publicly. If they did make those accusations publicly, my sense is that they know the story will be clouded by people who will then transition to "well why didn't you do/say anything then? Aren't you then at least partially responsible for any negative consequences of his actions from that point forward?"

I've always said that the preference (of the IC/Comey/Mueller) is for Trump to be removed by political forces. They do not want the spectacle of an impeachment and criminal trials because again they are from that generation of civil servants who think they are protecting the country from "trauma" blah blah blah. Very patrician and somewhat patronizing, but that's just who they are. They are hoping that right now the GOP as well as people within the administration start abandoning Trump. If Trump continues his defiance, at some point Mueller will use emissaries to Trump to give him a sampling of the evidence/intelligence that has been collected which directly implicates him . Either concurrently or directly afterwards GOP leadership from the Senate/House will meet with Trump (Nixonian comparison would be Goldwater's meeting day before Nixon announced resignation) to let him know that his base of support has crumbled and that they wouldn't be able to stop his impeachment. I'm also of the belief that there are people right now (from both sides - Mueller and Trump's) gameplanning once this happens how the fallout may be limited so that we don't have the spectacle of a former president and various members of his inner circle/cabinet under criminal investigation in the aftermath.

Never forget that these people are institutionalists - they don't have the same sense of frustration with/hatred of Washington and the political world that you see among ordinary people. Even a true a$$hole like Jeff Sessions probably has dozens of Democrats that would call him a friend and wouldn't want to see him behind bars (no matter how much he deserves it).
 

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In Episode 7, Melissa and Matt speak with John Schindler, a national security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. Schindler is a specialist in espionage and terrorism, and writes about the Russia probe and the intelligence community for the Observer. He's active on Twitter @20committee as he breaks down all of the potential ramifications of the ongoing investigation into Russia's meddling into the 2016 election. Lots of insights here so let's get into it
 

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People forget that Watergate was a 24-26 month process. Even with the most generous of timelines you could say we're only 9-12 months in (when a lot of Russia ties were being reported). We're gonna have to be patient with this process brehs
 
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