Rolling Stone: Biggie was on the verge of leaving Bad Boy before he was murdered, lawyers were in legal battle with Diddy for publishing

[zayk35]

This for the nikkas that said Pac and Biggie deaths didn't effect anything. They effected ALOT of things. Alotta shyt would be different if Pac and Big didn't die. ALOT. shyt shifted the culture in a major way and anyone who says anything different wasn't around. Puff had more to do with Pac being set up at Quad than Biggie did and he knew more. That's why toward the end Pac started attacking Puff more than Biggie. And as far as Puff being jealous of Pac and Biggie's friendship I see that as well. Puff blocked Biggie from being on the Thug Life album. And Biggie wanted Pac to be his manager cause Pac was getting him more shows than Puff was in the beginning.

I've always felt that way, as far as a shift. Especially after Pac died. I went to bootcamp in July of 96 and graduated 2 weeks after Pac died, so after being out of the loop for almost 3 months everything about hip-hop hop seemed different. Like that was the end of "Act One" for hip hop overall.

 

[JustCKing]

She was just Tiffany when the "Get Money" video was done. But B.I.G. said in Stress that he gave her that name because he had it already as an idea and thought it would be dope. Dame just repeated the story recently too. The name idea came from Biggie's talks with Jay in '96, which is when he was recording Life After Death and working on tracks with Hov.

As far as Undeas, Clark brought Un into Atlantic and gave him the deal. It was a boutique management and production company. He started the company with Los and Just, who is his brother. Not Biggie. This was '94, not '93. B.I.G. was already on paper with Bad Boy and Puff for two years, so he wasn't even allowed to start or be involved in any other companies for music or management. This is why Un was telling B.I.G that he would sign him later, and that if he sees any other talent out there, to bring them to him because Biggie told him he was getting jerked by Puff.

Daddy-O and Special Ed got involved and brought the rest of JM to Un and that's when they put the whole group together, which included Kim. Un went to Daddy-O and he's the one that produced all of JM's and Kim's early demos. He told B.I.G. about his idea to start Undeas and that's when he went and started the company with his brother and B.I.G. brought him Cease and Chico. Un always talks about how he started the company with his brother, and how he was hoping to sign B.I.G. to it later.

Of course, she was just Tiffany in the "Get Money" video. What I'm saying is the name "Charli Baltimore" didn't exist until Tiffany and Big saw the movie. That didn't come from talks between Jay and Biggie.

Un is on record saying he founded Undeas with Biggie in 1993.

Un-derstanding Lance Rivera

CEO-on-the-rise talks about Biggie's legacy

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Awesome Wells]

This story makes me so sad/mad. Big was gonna go on a legendary run. Would have inevitably worked with Dre and other west coast producers eventually

True.

Big wanted to work with Dre and Quik.

Mister Cee used to talk about how big of a fan Big was of them. That's why he did "Real N*ggaz" rhyming over the West Coast beats and Dre tracks, for the mixtape. But knowing how Puff was, I'm sure he would have had an issue with Big working with Dre back then.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Of course, she was just Tiffany in the "Get Money" video. What I'm saying is the name "Charli Baltimore" didn't exist until Tiffany and Big saw the movie. That didn't come from talks between Jay and Biggie.

Un is on record saying he founded Undeas with Biggie in 1993.

Un-derstanding Lance Rivera

CEO-on-the-rise talks about Biggie's legacy

www.rollingstone.com

Un never said he started Undeas with Big. Rolling Stone did, lol. This is just a common sense thing. If Undeas was Big’s company too, he wouldn’t need someone else to sign him to it. Which is why Un has always said that he wanted to do that for Big later on when he was free from Puff.

Un always talks about how his plan was for Big to sign to HIS company back then, and how Dame was trying to get Big to sign with him too. Undeas was a marketing company, not a record company. Un always talks about how after he had the company set up, he went to Big with a plan for Junior Mafia. Since the 90’s, he always talks about starting the company with his brother, and how he told Big to bring him artists so he could have them, on HIS company. If Big had his own company, he wouldn't have been talking about signing with Rocafella and having Un going back and forth with Dame to sign him.

Big would find Un talent and Un would put everything together for his company. Big never owned any part of Undeas.

 

[LiveFromLondon]

Tired of this back and forth

 

[Awesome Wells]

Tired of this back and forth

Un doesn't speak on any of what we're saying in that interview, lol.

He talks about him and Big being business partners and some of what's already been said. Also talks about how he went to his brother and said he was going to start a company and how he told Big he had ideas for JM. He doesn't get into ownership and all that. He does mention that Big was a "great A&R", which is what I already mentioned in here, with Big bringing him artists.

The sh*t that's being said ain't on YouTube, bro. Some sh*t is just common knowledge, if you were there.

 

[spliz]

I've always felt that way, as far as a shift. Especially after Pac died. I went to bootcamp in July of 96 and graduated 2 weeks after Pac died, so after being out of the loop for almost 3 months everything about hip-hop hop seemed different. Like that was the end of "Act One" for hip hop overall.

Word up nikkas was tryna argue wit me about this shyt on this site. Anyone who was around and old enough knows how much shyt was altered from the deaths of those 2.

 

[Deltron]

Word up nikkas was tryna argue wit me about this shyt on this site. Anyone who was around and old enough knows how much shyt was altered from the deaths of those 2.

there are people who believe their deaths didn't affect anything? even my dumbass saw/experienced the changing landscape after their deaths

 

[spliz]

there are people who believe their deaths didn't affect anything? even my dumbass saw/experienced the changing landscape after their deaths

The hate for Drake and love for Kendrick made nikkas delusional on this site. Someone was saying if Drake disappeared things would change. And I agreed. Good or bad remains to be seen but things would def change in some kinda way because he's never took a year off since he been out. They said not even Pac and Biggie's deaths changed anything. That's how it came up. Lol. I got called a Drake stan for pointing this out. I'm not even a fan of Drake. Lol. That argument went on for pages and I felt like I was in the twilight zone.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

You gotta put two and two together. I believe that Chuck Phillips interview is the true story to an extent.

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Yes,the story that said Biggie put a hit on Pac and was in Vegas that fateful night. Even gave Keefe his own gun he wanted Pac killed with



Now obviously this sounds crazy,and i think folks have said Biggie wasnt in Vegas that night. But im pretty sure alot of the info in that Chuck Phillipe article came from Keefe D. I believe this to be the true account,BUT he changed some names to protect the innocent,or in this case guilty. Instead of saying Zip gave him the guns,I think he just said Biggie instead.


You say all the guys involved were connected to Puff. Well,Zip was actually connected to Faith. And Keefe D is even on record saying Faith was mostly the go between.

10:20 mark



First time i heard about someone calling and asking "was That Us?" To Zip after pac was shot, the person asking was Faith Evans. Maybe they both called and asked the same thing. But either way Faith is still calling,and why would she need to call to ask that on Puffs behalf? If Keefe D is also saying Puff had a direct line to Zip? Is it possible she called on Biggies behalf as the go between?


I personally believe Keefe D told the real story to Chuck Phillips but just protected Zip. But doing so made the whole story sound ridiculous. I think Puffy got added into the mix later because dead men cant pay debts. I believe they felt Puff should pay what Biggie owed. Are we really going to ignore Biggies recorded confession as well("Long Kiss Goodnight")? Are we going to ignore the right person probably got killed,if a retaliation hit was put out for Pacs murder? The streets knew the truth and handled it accordingly. This is the smoothest,most realistic of all the theories. You just wont like it if your a Biggie fan and want to be able to paint him as a victim to keep his legacy intact

Yea I don’t buy into that brother. Big met faith cause she was signed or affiliated with puff also.

Same way beef was connected to hatian jack and henchman.

Big was a small time street nikka with no bread fr

Gene deal talks about this constantly also

 

[3rdWorld]

Big wanted money and knew he was gifted enough to make it on his own..he knew he was losing with Puff.
He knew his power and abilities and was gearing up to become raps most featured Hook Man.

 

[JordanWearinThe45]

 

[JustCKing]

Un never said he started Undeas with Big. Rolling Stone did, lol. This is just a common sense thing. If Undeas was Big’s company too, he wouldn’t need someone else to sign him to it. Which is why Un has always said that he wanted to do that for Big later on when he was free from Puff.

Un always talks about how his plan was for Big to sign to HIS company back then, and how Dame was trying to get Big to sign with him too. Undeas was a marketing company, not a record company. Un always talks about how after he had the company set up, he went to Big with a plan for Junior Mafia. Since the 90’s, he always talks about starting the company with his brother, and how he told Big to bring him artists so he could have them, on HIS company. If Big had his own company, he wouldn't have been talking about signing with Rocafella and having Un going back and forth with Dame to sign him.

Big would find Un talent and Un would put everything together for his company. Big never owned any part of Undeas.

That's neither here or there.

Big was signed to Puff in 1992 before Undeas was started in 1993.

Undeas was a record conpany. Where are you getting this from. Junior M.A.F.I.A was signed to Undeas. Lil' Kim and Cease both dropped solo albums on that label. Big was finding talent for Undeas, because it was something he and Un came up with together. Big signing with Roc-A-Fella doesn't even make sense.

Similarly Mase did the same thing while he was signed to Bad Boy. He started All Out Records under So So Def. He released the group Harlem World under that label. Originally, Mase wanted to sign to So So Def.

 

[Still Benefited]

Yea I don’t buy into that brother. Big met faith cause she was signed or affiliated with puff also.

Same way beef was connected to hatian jack and henchman.

Big was a small time street nikka with no bread fr

Gene deal talks about this constantly also

Faith said Zip was the Godfather to her and Biggies child. So the idea that there was really no connection with Big and Zip,along with the crips isnt right.


You heard Keefe say Faith was the main go between. He told on himself right there really. Why would Faith be the main go between if Keefe Ds deal was with Puff? If Puff already a direct line to Zip? Did Faith moonlight as the Badboy secretary as well?


The reason she was the go between was because Keefe had dealings with Big imo. The man literally confessed "my team in the marine blue". And folks til this day still talking about "naaah" lol.


Faith mightve put the battery in his back. Told Biggie "So what you gonna do?". Since Biggie wouldnt drop no damn tracks defending his wifes honor. There has yet to be a theory as simplistic as the one I laid out. Everything else sounds fantastical for a reason.


ChucK Phillips was a damn Pulitzer prize winning journalist. They also said he was wrong about Jimmy Henchman. Newspaper even settled with Henchman,but it turned out Phillips was correct later after Dexter Issac confessed.

 

[Michael's Black Son]

Dame, Jay and Cease said the plan was for BIG to go over to Rocafella and then move to Atlanta and run an office from there. The Commission was supposed to be the first project they dropped on the label. They had the name Charli Baltimore before they even met the girl who would use the name. But the plan was to team up with Hov and start over with a new label situation and new artists once he was able to get off Bad Boy.

Jay said BIG was calling him everyday to speak about the plan and the move to ATL.

You know your stuff.

But there’s no way I could see BIG getting out of his deal other than fulfilling the albums he signed up for. Puff basically bushed Craig Mack in favor of BIG and a lot of folks love to forget that there was a time when Craig Mack was hotter in the streets than BIG and did everyone on the Flava In Your Ear remix a solid simply by getting on the track.

Mr Smith era LL Cool J benefitted for sure.

But would’ve had to keep it very business-like with Puff if we wanted to go and do other things — but its Clive and Arista/BMG that he’d have to really deal with.