Rolling Stone: Biggie was on the verge of leaving Bad Boy before he was murdered, lawyers were in legal battle with Diddy for publishing

[spliz]

Piling on boy. Lol.

 

[Supa]

Pac wrote to Big in 96 asking to meet up in NY according to Gene Deal. The letter never made it to Big.

They never hated each other. Feelings money and ego got in the way. Pac went overboard and said fukked up shyt with the disses and Big could have shown more loyalty considering Pac helped out Big a lot in the beginning.

He implicated the man in a robbery/shooting and you think Big should have shown him more loyalty? And he slept with Big's wife, and Big allegedly got slapped up for warning Pac not to hang around the NY gangsters....

He did way too much to expect anything but hostility. He brought too much negativity and Big was better off washing his hands of him.

 

[get these nets]

Graffiti artist botched the face and the hairline

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Spoiler

Dead rappers get better promotion shapeups

 

[Erratic415]

BIG went through a lot. A former teammate of mines was his first road manager. He was telling BIG he was making $20k a show when he was really charging $25k so he was taking $5k on top of his percentage before they caught him and fired his ass

i hope this shyt kills the idea that many idiots still carry thinking BIG set Pac up in that first shooting. BIG did NOT have it like that to be ordering shooters

I don’t know why Biggie was supposed to have known about the attack before it happened.

Is someone like Jimmy Henchman going to say “hey Biggie, we’re going attack your friend tonight in the lobby…don’t say anything!”?

Pac was def going to jail. Beating someone up in a public setting on camera was a clear parole violation. Even without a victim testifying they’d have him on disorderly conduct, associating with felons, and some other shyt.

If Pac had lived we could have had a scenario where he was in jail until 1999 or 2000.

He was also out of bail pending appeal on the sexual assault trial. So there was a good chance he’d go back to jail on that in addition to the Orlando beating.

 

[Erratic415]

Which lines up with Mase bringing Cam to BIG instead of Poof.

Like Greg Tate said, when Poof Diddy transitioned to being a rap star it proved aggressive mediocrity won the war over art and talent. I used to feel like I was losing my mind watching a nikka who couldn't dance, write a rhyme, or spit a ghostwritten with an ounce of style or rhythm be taken seriously.

If you have any insight into the human condition and psychology, and you watch the PE 2000 and Come With Me videos, you know you're looking at a psychopath capable of any and all evil. Come With Me in particular is a window into a maniac's mind - only the most malignant of narcissists could have conceived of that song and video.

The video begins with him dreaming of a sex scene of himself. Then he proceeds to spew insipid off-beat toddler rants over a sample of Kashmir. He jumps into the sky and his body transforms into a flock of doves. Suddenly he's floating into Times Square in a white suit while caterwauling “I cryyyyy/tears of sorrow/I diiiiie” after which he begins conducting an orchestra and scream rapping “tell me lies/time flies/close your eyes” and “I wanna fight you/fukkin bite you/I can’t stand nobody like you” and "I'm here to stay/forever/and ever/and a day/that's never/COME WITH ME"

His was such a staggering and disproportionate blend of talentlessness and grandiosity. That's a man who has zero regard for the world, the people in it, or the culture they create and sustain. Just the most contemptible and insidious sort of parasite there is.

That dance solo in PE 2000 makes me laugh though. And then he has another version where he raps in Spanish lol

 

[Awesome Wells]

That's neither here or there.

Big was signed to Puff in 1992 before Undeas was started in 1993.

Undeas was a record conpany. Where are you getting this from. Junior M.A.F.I.A was signed to Undeas. Lil' Kim and Cease both dropped solo albums on that label. Big was finding talent for Undeas, because it was something he and Un came up with together. Big signing with Roc-A-Fella doesn't even make sense.

Similarly Mase did the same thing while he was signed to Bad Boy. He started All Out Records under So So Def. He released the group Harlem World under that label. Originally, Mase wanted to sign to So So Def.

I got you, but if you go to any interview with Un since the 90's until recently, he talks about how he started Undeas as a marketing company to help party promoters and all that. Him and his brother started it. He's been saying the same thing forever. He says it in that Vlad video the dude posted too.

Couple years later, after Clark Kent got the situation at Atlantic, he brought Un in to turn the company into a production company, so Un can sign acts and put them out. But again, Jay, Cease, Un and Dame have all recently said that B.I.G. wanted to sign to Rocafella. That's been said by them and others for mad years. So it's not really something I can speak on, but that's what the people involved have always said. Charli said the same too.

 

[spliz]

He implicated the man in a robbery/shooting and you think Big should have shown him more loyalty? And he slept with Big's wife, and Big allegedly got slapped up for warning Pac not to hang around the NY gangsters....

He did way too much to expect anything but hostility. He brought too much negativity and Big was better off washing his hands of him.

U missed the whole part where Biggie ignored all of Pac's calls from jail. Where he made fun of him on Fab 5 Freddy. Where he allowed Who Shot Ya to drop knowing the climate. And where he sent nikkas to shoot at the DPG trailer. This was all before Pac released his first diss record.

 

[Awesome Wells]

You know your stuff.

But there’s no way I could see BIG getting out of his deal other than fulfilling the albums he signed up for. Puff basically bushed Craig Mack in favor of BIG and a lot of folks love to forget that there was a time when Craig Mack was hotter in the streets than BIG and did everyone on the Flava In Your Ear remix a solid simply by getting on the track.

Mr Smith era LL Cool J benefitted for sure.

But would’ve had to keep it very business-like with Puff if we wanted to go and do other things — but its Clive and Arista/BMG that he’d have to really deal with.

Nah, I agree.

But that's why B.I.G was planning to do double albums, to speed up his fulfillment. Mack was definitely hotter in the streets than B.I.G. early spring '94, but he wasn't willing to stretch his sound like B.I.G. was to get radio and all that. So that's why I think Puff kinda stepped away from focusing on him. B.I.G. was open to trying different kinds of records to hit the charts.

Everyone was kinda riding with that formula back then, but Mack wasn't with it, at all. So he fell out of favor with Bad Boy. Early!

 

[Deltron]

That dance solo in PE 2000 makes me laugh though. And then he has another version where he raps in Spanish lol

I remember MTV or bet playing it a couple times

 

[Awesome Wells]

I remember MTV or bet playing it a couple times

They did a whole Making Of for this damn video back then. It was a wild time.

 

[Supa]

U missed the whole part where Biggie ignored all of Pac's calls from jail. Where he made fun of him on Fab 5 Freddy. Where he allowed Who Shot Ya to drop knowing the climate. And where he sent nikkas to shoot at the DPG trailer. This was all before Pac released his first diss record.

Why would he take his calls? There's an investigation going on and Big had to walk on eggshells so he's not crossing Henchmen.

The same people Big warned him about damn near killed him and unlike Pac Big couldn't hop on a plane and leave for Cali. He had every right to distance himself since Big has to move around in NY.

We got a dozen examples of Pac being reckless. He's done way worse than all the things you try to pin on Big. See the Sam Sneed situation.

He was always going to crash out which is why Big was better off not being around him.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Why would he take his calls? There's an investigation going on and Big had to walk on eggshells so he's not on crossing Henchmen.

The same people Big warned him about damn near killed him and unlike Pac Big couldn't hop on a plane and leave for Cali. He had every right to distance himself since Big has to move around in NY.

We got a dozen examples of Pac being reckless. He's done way worse than all the things you try to pin on Big. See the Sam Sneed situation.

He was always going to crash out which is why Big was better off not being around him.

All true.

And after the Quad shooting, Big was still looking out for Pac too. When Pac called him after that, he needed Big to help him get his gun out the studio because he hid it in there. And Big took care of that for him. Big was also the one that kept all of NYC from running up on the Death Row at the Source Awards. So he did a lot to help when he could, but he had every right not take dude's calls after all the drama he was already causing.

 

[Supa]

All true.

And after the Quad shooting, Big was still looking out for Pac too. When Pac called him after that, he needed Big to help him get his gun out the studio because he hid it in there. And Big took care of that for him. Big was also the one that kept all of NYC from running up on the Death Row at the Source Awards. So he did a lot to help when he could, but he had every right not take dude's calls after all the drama he was already causing.

Imagine you tell your boy to mind the company he keeps, he tells them, you get beat up behind that, he catches a case, then he gets set up/shot by them. What more should you have done?

The Quad was a direct result of Pac's actions so trying to hang that on Big and Puff was always stupid. He needed to own that instead he created a scape goat.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Imagine you tell your boy to mind the company he keeps, he tells them, you get beat up behind that, he catches a case, then he gets set up/shot by them. What more should you have done?

The Quad was a direct result of Pac's actions so trying to hang that on Big and Puff was always stupid. He needed to own that instead he created a scape goat.

Truth.

They didn't even know Pac was going there. Dude just showed up on his own. I always had an issue with them trying to blame Big for that. That's not even how he got down. Big always tried to look out for Pac, but Pac was gonna do what he wanted regardless.

 

[Supa]

Truth.

They didn't even know Pac was going there. Dude just showed up on his own. I always had an issue with them trying to blame Big for that. That's not even how he got down. Big always tried to look out for Pac, but Pac was gonna do what he wanted regardless.

Damn near every NY rapper at the time was actively avoiding certain gangsters like Jack and Jimmy. Pac was actively trying to get close to them when he wasn't cut from that cloth. They saw him as an entertainer not an equal. Even Little Shawn was mad at Jack for even having him around.

No one wants to address that though. They want to keep pretending he was really like that.

Big's relationship to Puff was business not street related. He just got caught in the middle of a conflict he didn't create.