Robert Garcia says "Floyd is the greatest fighter of all time"

[Champ_KW]

He would've also been forced to face the best fighters of his era at their peak abilities as well.....something that present day Floyd doesnt do/hasnt done except for with prime Ricky Hatton


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And let's be clear, Floyd has a very good resume. But when we are discussing his resume vs the best of the best, The ATGs, it doesnt stack up as well when you really break it down and digest it.

When Victor Ortiz is one of your best 10 opponents you've faced....you dont belong as the GOAT or in that discussion.

Not even in the discussion?? That's an extreme leap. What does his opponents have to do with how great he is? The guy has lost one card his entire career. He's doing to his competition exactly what he's supposed to be doing. I can see if he was out here dropping a fight, getting knocked down, or in a life or death brawl with lower caliber opponents. And the fact that you think skill set wise that Ortiz was one of Floyd's 10 best opponents, then you're extremely misguided.

 

[TheProfessor]

Not even in the discussion?? That's an extreme leap. What does his opponents have to do with how great he is? The guy has lost one card his entire career. He's doing to his competition exactly what he's supposed to be doing. I can see if he was out here dropping a fight, getting knocked down, or in a life or death brawl with lower caliber opponents. And the fact that you think skill set wise that Ortiz was one of Floyd's 10 best opponents, then you're extremely misguided.

Yeah I didn't understand that either. Victor Ortiz is nowhere near among Floyd's top 10 victories.

 

[Newzz]

Not even in the discussion?? That's an extreme leap. What does his opponents have to do with how great he is? The guy has lost one card his entire career. He's doing to his competition exactly what he's supposed to be doing. I can see if he was out here dropping a fight, getting knocked down, or in a life or death brawl with lower caliber opponents. And the fact that you think skill set wise that Ortiz was one of Floyd's 10 best opponents, then you're extremely misguided.

Greatest of All-Time is 1 fighter. How the fukk do you surpass someone like even Harry Greb who's fought 16 PRIME HOFers in his career when you have only fought 2 or 3 period......and Greb is not even #1, but he's in the discussion.


Floyd's resume is what it is, he's not in the discussion for the greatest boxer ever. simple as that.


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Now that work has slowed down and I can concentrate, forget Ortiz. Marcos Maidana is a top 10 Floyd opponent, and he beat prime Ortiz himself to the point he quit

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Secondly, Hernadez/Corrales/Castillo/Judah/DLH/Hatton/Cotto/Alvarez were the only 8 fighters that Floyd fought they were definitely better than Marcos Maidana at the time of the fight. JMM could be argued, but Im gonna respond by continuing to point out he was dragged up 2 weight divisions from 135 to 147 for a fight with Floyd and wasnt the same in his 1st fight at a new weight class. Then Mosley, and with him being 39 years old and 14 months of inactivity before fighting Floyd....then going on to draw with Sergio Mora in his next fight 4 months later proves he wasnt the same fighter he was when he beat Margarito 14 months prior.


Even if you DID include them, that leaves Marcos Maidana who was the Prime current Champion, looking at the #11 spot. Surely, you're not gonna tell me that Robert Guerrero, Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Corley, N'Dou, were better at the time of the fight than Maidana was

Marcos Maidana is a top 10 opponent of Floyd Mayweather.....that doesnt put you into the GOAT discussion

 

[TheProfessor]

Greatest of All-Time is 1 fighter. How the fukk do you surpass someone like even Harry Greb who's fought 16 PRIME HOFers in his career when you have only fought 2 or 3 period......and Greb is not even #1, but he's in the discussion.


Floyd's resume is what it is, he's not in the discussion for the greatest boxer ever. simple as that.


Secondly, Hernadez/Corrales/Castillo/Judah/DLH/Hatton/Cotto/Alvarez were the only 8 fighters that Floyd fought they were definitely better than Ortiz at the time of the fight. JMM could be argued, but Im gonna respond by continuing to point out he was dragged up 2 weight divisions from 135 to 147 for a fight with Floyd and wasnt the same in his 1st fight at a new weight class. Then Mosley, and with him being 39 years old and 14 months of inactivity before fighting Floyd....then going on to draw with Sergio Mora in his next fight 4 months later proves he wasnt the same fighter he was when he beat Margarito.


Even if you DID include them, that leaves Victor Ortiz who was the #2 Welterweight Contender, was the current Champion, and in his prime looking at the #11 spot. Surely, you're not gonna tell me that Robert Guerrero, Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Corley, N'Dou, were better at the time of the fight than Ortiz was


And now that work has slowed up a bit, I actually should of said that Marcos Maidana is a top 10 fighter of Floyd's career instead of Victor Ortiz


Matter of fact, scracth Ortiz, because he lost to him. Marcos Maidana is a top 10 opponent of Floyd Mayweather.....that doesnt put you into the GOAT discussion

That's lazy research. Angel Manfredy was better than Ortiz. Marquez is too. Moving up doesnt change that. He's proven himself at 147. Mosley was better too. Jesus Chavez too. A few more are debatable at worst. Come on, just stop.

 

[Champ_KW]

Greatest of All-Time is 1 fighter. How the fukk do you surpass someone like even Harry Greb who's fought 16 PRIME HOFers in his career when you have only fought 2 or 3 period......and Greb is not even #1, but he's in the discussion.


Floyd's resume is what it is, he's not in the discussion for the greatest boxer ever. simple as that.


Secondly, Hernadez/Corrales/Castillo/Judah/DLH/Hatton/Cotto/Alvarez were the only 8 fighters that Floyd fought they were definitely better than Ortiz at the time of the fight. JMM could be argued, but Im gonna respond by continuing to point out he was dragged up 2 weight divisions from 135 to 147 for a fight with Floyd and wasnt the same in his 1st fight at a new weight class. Then Mosley, and with him being 39 years old and 14 months of inactivity before fighting Floyd....then going on to draw with Sergio Mora in his next fight 4 months later proves he wasnt the same fighter he was when he beat Margarito.


Even if you DID include them, that leaves Victor Ortiz who was the #2 Welterweight Contender, was the current Champion, and in his prime looking at the #11 spot. Surely, you're not gonna tell me that Robert Guerrero, Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Corley, N'Dou, were better at the time of the fight than Ortiz was


And now that work has slowed up a bit, I actually should of said that Marcos Maidana is a top 10 fighter of Floyd's career instead of Victor Ortiz


Matter of fact, scracth Ortiz, because he lost to him. Marcos Maidana is a top 10 opponent of Floyd Mayweather.....that doesnt put you into the GOAT discussion

You're that guy, huh? Always digging too far trying to prove your intelligence. Harry Greb??? You're using his opponents as a barometer instead of his actual skill set?? You can't look at Harry Greb and honestly say skill set wise he's better than Floyd. You're trying too hard, my man.

 

[blackzeus]

Marcos Maidana is a top 10 opponent of Floyd Mayweather.....that doesnt put you into the GOAT discussion

I'm sayin' though, he's having trouble fighting guys like Maidana and nikkaz wanna talk about GOAT If he's GOAT, Maidana's a top 50 lock

 

[Newzz]

That's lazy research. Angel Manfredy was better than Ortiz. Marquez is too. Moving up doesnt change that. He's proven himself at 147. Mosley was better too. Jesus Chavez too. A few more are debatable at worst. Come on, just stop.

You must've not caught the edit

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Now that work has slowed down and I can concentrate, forget Ortiz. Marcos Maidana is a top 10 Floyd opponent, and he beat prime Ortiz himself to the point he quit

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Secondly, Hernadez/Corrales/Castillo/Judah/DLH/Hatton/Cotto/Alvarez were the only 8 fighters that Floyd fought they were definitely better than Marcos Maidana at the time of the fight. JMM could be argued, but Im gonna respond by continuing to point out he was dragged up 2 weight divisions from 135 to 147 for a fight with Floyd and wasnt the same in his 1st fight at a new weight class. Then Mosley, and with him being 39 years old and 14 months of inactivity before fighting Floyd....then going on to draw with Sergio Mora in his next fight 4 months later proves he wasnt the same fighter he was when he beat Margarito 14 months prior.


Even if you DID include them, that leaves Marcos Maidana who was the Prime current Champion, looking at the #11 spot. Surely, you're not gonna tell me that Robert Guerrero, Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Corley, N'Dou, were better at the time of the fight than Maidana was

Marcos Maidana is a top 10 opponent of Floyd Mayweather.....that doesnt put you into the GOAT discussion

 

[blackzeus]

You're that guy, huh? Always digging too far trying to prove your intelligence. Harry Greb??? You're using his opponents as a barometer instead of his actual skill set?? You can't look at Harry Greb and honestly say skill set wise he's better than Floyd. You're trying too hard, my man.

That's not what he said, he said Greb beat 16 HOF fighters. To give you an analogy, you're comparing a NCAA basketball player to an NBA hall of famer breh, it's two completely different levels

 

[TheProfessor]

You must've not caught the edit

No I did. Doesn't change anything I posted regarding Ortiz since you moved him to # 11

Even you couldn't sustain the very argument you raised.

 

[Newzz]

That's lazy research. Angel Manfredy was better than Ortiz. Marquez is too. Moving up doesnt change that. He's proven himself at 147. Mosley was better too. Jesus Chavez too. A few more are debatable at worst. Come on, just stop.

None of them were better than Maidana when they fought Floyd.

And how DARE you say moving up 2 divisions and fighting the best fighter in doesnt mean anything?

You think Floyd could "jump up" from 147 and fight GGG at 160? That's almost the exact same difference between lightweight and welterweight (welterweight to middleweight). Floyd would get his ass beat, because it's a huge jump to make in your very first fight there.

That would be like GGG jumping up to fight Adonis Stevenson in his 1st fight at lightheavyweight or Canelo jumping to SMW to fight SOG in his fight fight at 168

I'm sayin' though, he's having trouble fighting guys like Maidana and nikkaz wanna talk about GOAT

 

[Newzz]

No I did. Doesn't change anything I posted regarding Ortiz since you moved him to # 11

Even you couldn't sustain the very argument you raised.

I was working


Now, Im free


Maidana is a top 10 opponent Floyd has faced in his career, fukk Ortiz. Tell me how the person you're arguing into the GOAT discussion can have Marcos Maidana as a Top 10 opponent he's ever faced

 

[TheProfessor]

None of them were better than Maidana when they fought Floyd.

And how DARE you say moving up 2 divisions and fighting the best fighter in doesnt mean anything?

You think Floyd could "jump up" from 147 and fight GGG at 160? That's almost the exact same difference between lightweight and welterweight (welterweight to middleweight). Floyd would get his ass beat, because it's a huge jump to make in your very first fight there.

That would be like GGG jumping up to fight Adonis Stevenson in his 1st fight at lightheavyweight or Canelo jumping to SMW to fight SOG in his fight fight at 168

They weren't better? Prove it.

Depends. What if Floyd moves up and loses to GGG, then moves back up and beat another imaginary middleweight who is also a highly ranked pound for pounder? Then what? Bottom line is that he beat Marquez cuz he was better, not cuz he was bigger. And Marquez has proven himself at 147.

 

[Champ_KW]

I'm sayin' though, he's having trouble fighting guys like Maidana and nikkaz wanna talk about GOAT

What exactly is having trouble? Was he knocked down like Ali against Chuck Wepner? Did he actually lose to the guy coming up in weight like SRL did to Duran? Did he have more trouble than SRR did against Denny Moyer? Surely they can't be in the GOAT conversation....

 

[TheProfessor]

I was working


Now, Im free


Maidana is a top 10 opponent Floyd has faced in his career, fukk Ortiz. Tell me how the person you're arguing into the GOAT discussion can have Marcos Maidana as a Top 10 opponent he's ever faced

I never brought Floyd into the GOAT discussion, get it together. Now it's f*ck Ortiz after you had him in the top 10. Now it's Maidana? Explain how.

 

[Newzz]

You're that guy, huh? Always digging too far trying to prove your intelligence. Harry Greb??? You're using his opponents as a barometer instead of his actual skill set?? You can't look at Harry Greb and honestly say skill set wise he's better than Floyd. You're trying too hard, my man.

Skill set? Since when does the GOAT become the GOAT because of his skill set instead of his production? In what sport is that even allowed?


Once again, like my breh @King P so eloquently put:

I'm not automatically classifying them as better. I believe they are better by looking at their resumes. You're making the mistake of thinking I'm ranking them by talent. Which isn't the case. Fighters (and athletes in general) aren't ranked by their skills, but rather their accomplishments. Talent is great, but if you don't do anything with it, it means nothing. There have been plenty of fighters who were talented, but were lazy and underachieved (Leon Spinks, Riddikk Bowe, Hector Camacho, Wilfred Benitez) which prevents them from being ranked higher than where they are.