TheProfessor
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He did it at 130 and 135 too. I mean, what you're saying is he basically has fought the best everywhere except one division. And there are a million different reasons why it hasnt been done in that one division.
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That leads to his legacy breh, which is (if you posted in here a little more you'd know that I try and make this disctinction as loudly and clearly as possible) Floyd "Money" Mayweather vs "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather.
Once he became all about the "Money" (after he fought DLH), he changed up his fighting style and his willingness to go out there and fight whomever to prove himself as the best period.
"Money" Mayweather fights for the paycheck...."Pretty Boy" Floyd fought for his legacy and always stated after his fights he would fight whoever and wanted to be considered the very best.
"Money" Mayweather doesnt fight the #2 fighter in his division, who's been there for about 6 years. "Pretty Boy" Floyd beat JLC and DESTROYED Diego Corrales without any ducking involved.
Money Mayweather did himself a disservice and sold his boxing legacy for riches
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Let's call beating 4 Hall of Fame fighters "extra credit" brehs, I can't believe what I'm reading
True, that extra credit line is a little off, but let's not discount what he's saying in the rest of the post because of it. He has some points.
Side bar: I think the brehs up here forget about Pretty Boy and just comment on Money May on some "what have you done for me lately?" style. His career or legacy shouldn't be based solely on his fights at 147. I feel and I'll stand firm in believing talent/skill-wise PBF is a top 5 130-135lber of all-time, does his resume match up vs. all time greats at that weight? Eh...
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I don't know. You just mentioned Hatton and Canelo and that was after he changed his "persona" or whatever that means. So basically you're talking about him not fighting the best at 147...right? And that would pretty much be one fighter. And he definitely didn't change his fighting style for the worse. He's much more flat-footed now. And older.That leads to his legacy breh, which is (if you posted in here a little more you'd know that I try and make this disctinction as loudly and clearly as possible) Floyd "Money" Mayweather vs "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather.
Once he became all about the "Money" (after he fought DLH), he changed up his fighting style and his willingness to go out there and fight whomever to prove himself as the best period.
"Money" Mayweather fights for the paycheck...."Pretty Boy" Floyd fought for his legacy and always stated after his fights he would fight whoever and wanted to be considered the very best.
"Money" Mayweather doesnt fight the #2 fighter in his division, who's been there for about 6 years. "Pretty Boy" Floyd beat JLC and DESTROYED Diego Corrales without any ducking involved.
Money Mayweather did himself a disservice and sold his boxing legacy for riches
He did change his fighting style for the worse.
PBF was much more offensive, went and seeked out KOs, plus still had elite defense. Money Mayweather "runs" around the ring (yall know what I mean) and pot shots. He's not the same fighter as before and it's for the worse in comparision to PBF imo.
When's the last time you seen Floyd put together a 3 piece combo? He doesnt anymore..
When's the last time Floyd got a legit KO during a fight and not a sucker punch in his 8 fights since fighting ODLH? 1 time. Then let's ask that same question of the 8 fights PRIOR to fighting ODLH when he was still PBF? 4 times.
He doesnt fight the best fighters, while they are still at their physical bests anymore. Come on, ODLH, Mosley, Cotto? They werent the same fighters that they were when Floyd "finally got to them". Only ones are Hatton and Canelo (as far as elite fighters....and the jury is still out on Canelo)
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Okay for arguments sake, Willie Pep was mentioned as an ATG right? So who were Willie Pep's top 10 opponents?
Not a question to try to play you out, just for arguments sake.
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WHen was the last time he threw a three-punch combo? When he was young? He's old.
BTW he also moved a lot more when he was younger and wasn't anywhere as offensive minded. I have no clue what Floyd you're talking about anymore.
Floyd after DLH fight = Money Mayweather.
Floyd prior to DLH fight = Pretty Boy Floyd.
I dont care for Money Mayweather.
TheProfessor
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Ok but he wasn't more offensive minded before Oscar. He moved A LOT more then. And yes he did throw combinations then but he was also a lot faster (aka younger).
To me, I don't judge fighters by monikers. Since Oscar he's fought Marquez, Hatton, Mosley and Canelo (and came forward as the aggressor in all of those fights). That's pretty impressive.
shyt, to keep it real, the only one I KNOW about is Sandy Saddler. But to answer your question, after doing some digging:
Willie Joyce, Chalky Wright, Manuel Ortiz, Phil Terranova, Joey Archibald, Paddy DeMarco, Sal Bartolo, and Sandy Saddler.
Breh, fighting is about who you beat, if we ranked greatness with talent Len Bias, Harold Miner, T-Mac, Michael Vick, etc would all be in the Hall of Fame in their respective sports. Floyd could never be the GOAT because he's never beaten a GOAT prime boxer, while ALL THE OTHER "GOATS" HAVE. Same way in basketball you can't be GOAT without a ring, in boxing you can't be a GOAT unless you've beaten a GOAT boxer. If there are no GOAT boxers in your era, that's just too bad, you can't give GOAT status out of pity
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Breh, fighting is about who you beat, if we ranked greatness with talent Len Bias, Harold Miner, T-Mac, Michael Vick, etc would all be in the Hall of Fame in their respective sports. Floyd could never be the GOAT because he's never beaten a GOAT prime boxer, while ALL THE OTHER "GOATS" HAVE. Same way in basketball you can't be GOAT without a ring, in boxing you can't be a GOAT unless you've beaten a GOAT boxer. If there are no GOAT boxers in your era, that's just too bad, you can't give GOAT status out of pity
What is a GOAT boxer though? I do agree with you about Floyd not being the GOAT though.
He fought an 38 year old Mosley (who after losing to Floyd, is 1-3-1 in his last 5 fights), dragged up a 36 year old Marquez to 147 (who had NEVER fought above 135 and was his very 1st fight at the 147 limit....a 2 division jump), The Hatton victory was cool and he gets props for that (his closest victory to beating a HOFer while they were still at their best), and Canelo who's not even proven to be an elite fighter yet.
Again, you have to take that all intoo consideration when discussing his place amongst the ATGs and not just fighters of today
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Yes, he fought Mosley -- the WBA and linear welter champ, ranked #1 at1 47 and #3 pound for pound. Was he old? Yes. He was also considered the biggest threat in the division not named Pacquiao.
He fought Marquez who, in his next fight at welter beat Manny Pacquiao (although he was robbed)
And I don't know how Canelo hasn't proven himself to be elite with wins over Trout, Angulo and Lara but hey, whatever.
Breh why even argue with these nikkas. Today, Lebron James, Reggie Bush, Mike Vick, Ndamakong Suh, etc etc all play pro team sports. 50 years ago they would have been boxers
You just can't compare the eras. There will never be another Ali just like there will never be another 2Pac, just like there will never be another MJ. The societal, cultural, social, media, and/or economic situations that existed when those cats grew up don't exist nowadays. Just be glad if you were there to witness it. It is what it is.50 Cent - "It ain't enough to be rich, you wanna be hard"
Why compare yourself to bare knuckled pureblood brawlers from the deep "lynch a nikka 'cause it's Tuesday" South trying to survive by fighting their way to economic stability? Probably the only boxer you can compare to that era would be a Tyson, and his savagery was legendary. I mean, just look at Joe Louis:
^^100% authentic "I will kill a nikka if I have to in order to avoid the possibility of gettin' lynched out here" grill. You will never see another Joe Louis again because the society that created him doesn't exist anymore.