Robert Garcia says "Floyd is the greatest fighter of all time"

[Newzz]

Show me any of my posts where I said the word "strictly". I explicitly said skill set and resume wise, Floyd is in the conversation. I got cats in here propping up Greb on the sheer basis of his resume knowing damn well they wouldn't bet a dime on Greb in a fight with Floyd based on Floyd's superior skill set. Nobody on here seems to stay within the realm of context when talking boxing.

Floyd's not in the conversation.

Obviously, to have Muhammad Ali, Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, and Harry Greb in the top 5....in order for them to constantly and consistently defeat other Prime HOFers, they were extremely talented themselves


Use your brain breh

 

[TheProfessor]

I did....you dont wanna accept it

No, you didn't but maybe our ideas of debating merits are different.

Anyway, my stance is that while Mayweather isn't a Top 5 of all-time, he's top 25 and best fighter of his era. Nothing to laugh at or joke with.

 

[Newzz]

I suggest you watch some film on Greb. He was great for his era. He'd get beat quite easy today.

Hypothetical matchups dont matter and mean nothing.

I can say the EXACT same for Floyd. He was great for HIS era....but he'd get beat quite easy in Greb's era.

Greb fought in the era of boxers having 4, 5, or 6 fights in 1 single month alone whereas today, in THIS era, Floyd has the luxury of only fighting twice a year

 

[Newzz]

Duh! Stop building straw men. Nobody is talking about Zab. Floyd's skills do translate into wins.

And so do all the other ATGs breh. So what is the point of bringing up SKILL SET WHEN WE ARE DISCUSSING THE LEGENDS OF BOXING. ALL OF THEM ARE VERY SKILLED WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE ALL TIME GREATS IN THE FIRST PLACE


The ONLY way to breakdown the ATGs and HOFers is by resume. Not "skills". They are all the best of the best.

 

[Newzz]

No, you didn't but maybe our ideas of debating merits are different.

Anyway, my stance is that while Mayweather isn't a Top 5 of all-time, he's top 25 and best fighter of his era. Nothing to laugh at or joke with.

And I initially dapped your 1st post, because I agree. Floyd is top 15-25 all-time, and the current best fighter of this era to me as well.

 

[krackdagawd]

No, you didn't but maybe our ideas of debating merits are different.

Anyway, my stance is that while Mayweather isn't a Top 5 of all-time, he's top 25 and best fighter of his era. Nothing to laugh at or joke with.

We'll see.

 

[TheProfessor]

We'll see.

Of course. Don't see how it changes much now though. He's pretty much fighting in another era.

 

[krackdagawd]

Of course. Don't see how it changes much now though. He's pretty much fighting in another era.

In the cut, that's a scary sight

 

[TheProfessor]

In the cut, that's a scary sight

I love Hops but no. I don't have him rated higher than Mayweather although he's not far behind. To be honest, I'm not that impressed with what he's doing now. Those guys aren't that good and the last good fighter he fought beat him (Dawson)...and he wasn't that good either.

 

[krackdagawd]

I love Hops but no. I don't have him rated higher than Mayweather although he's not far behind. To be honest, I'm not that impressed with what he's doing now. Those guys aren't that good and the last good fighter he fought beat him (Dawson)...and he wasn't that good either.

You're not impressed with a 49 year old defeating champions half of his age

That's your opinion friend but BHop is fighting Stevenson in Nov and Kovalev after.

I'm not impressed by Maidana

I don't see Maidana on any p4p lists but Stevenson's been popping up in a few

Meanwhile Money May went without fighting the 2nd best guy in his division this will only hurt him and Manny's resumes when it's all said and done.

 

[TheProfessor]

You're not impressed with a 49 year old defeating champions half of his age

That's your opinion friend but BHop is fighting Stevenson in Nov and Kovalev after.

I'm not impressed by Maidana

I don't see Maidana on any p4p lists but Stevenson's been popping up in a few

Meanwhile Money May went without fighting the 2nd best guy in his division this will only hurt him and Manny's resumes when it's all said and done.

We all don't age the same. I think it's impressive what Hops is doing at 49 but I don't think his opposition is impressive.

And I'm not that impressed with Maidana either. A younger Floyd flattens him. Again, we all don't age the same. Ray Leonard was done at 33 but that doesn't drop him off the list.

Also, Hopkins hasn't beaten Stevenson yet but if he does that's a pretty good win. Until then, no, I don't even consider it.

 

[blackzeus]

Hypothetical matchups dont matter and mean nothing.

I can say the EXACT same for Floyd. He was great for HIS era....but he'd get beat quite easy in Greb's era.

Greb fought in the era of boxers having 4, 5, or 6 fights in 1 single month alone whereas today, in THIS era, Floyd has the luxury of only fighting twice a year

Again, nikkaz have no idea what does fighters went through in that era. It would be like comparing late 80s/early 90s NBA to today's soft azz floppin' sh*t, that would be disrespectful to players like Isaiah Thomas and Michael Jordan who were gettin' ABUSED night in and night out. I stand by my statement that a GOAT fighter can't come from this era, it's just not the same type of fighters

 

[krackdagawd]

We all don't age the same. I think it's impressive what Hops is doing at 49 but I don't think his opposition is impressive.

And I'm not that impressed with Maidana either. A younger Floyd flattens him. Again, we all don't age the same. Ray Leonard was done at 33 but that doesn't drop him off the list.

Also, Hopkins hasn't beaten Stevenson yet but if he does that's a pretty good win. Until then, no, I don't even consider it.

I don't think a lot of Floyd's opposition is impressive friend, is that his fault? Nope(except for the Pacman fight they are BOTH at fault). Why is Hopkins at fault for the opposition he is outclassing at this point in his career at damn near 50?

And he is about to fight the best or 2nd best guy (depending on how you see it) in his division next, something Money May still hasn't done

You think a younger Floyd flattens Maidana you say?

What does a prime Hopkins do to Dawson

nikkas already making age excuses for Floyd and he ain't even hit 40 yet

 

[TheProfessor]

I don't think a lot of Floyd's opposition is impressive friend, is that his fault? Nope(except for the Pacman fight they are BOTH at fault). Why is Hopkins at fault for the opposition he is outclassing at this point in his career at damn near 50?

And he is about to fight the best or 2nd best guy (depending on how you see it) in his division next, something Money May still hasn't done

You a younger Floyd flattens Maidana you say?

What does a prime Hopkins do to Dawson

Well I'm not talking about Hopkins' whole career not being impressive. Just his recent run. No one is saying he is at fault for it. If he beats a Stevenson, I'll be impressed. But I do recall a medicore Chad Dawson beating him.

A prime Hopkins beats up Dawson too. I'm not sure the point you're trying to make...give him credit for what he's doing at 49 but ignore what he couldn't? Okie.

 

[blackzeus]

Duh! Stop building straw men. Nobody is talking about Zab. Floyd's skills do translate into wins.

Yes, but win's against what quality of competition. That's the point breh