Rise of Skywalker is trash

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My other problem with the sequels is that they had zero respect for the legacies of the heroes and villains of the OG trilogy.

Luke Skywalker:
They took all the morality, courage, and nobility out of his character and made him a failure. He failed morally when he tried to kill his own nephew for having bad dreams about the dark side (which makes no sense considering that this was the same guy who laid down his life on the chance that Vader could be redeemed).
They made him a coward--he left his friends and family to fight and die without him.
His New Jedi Order failed to accomplish anything meaningful on any level.
He failed to teach Rey anything significant about morality or the force (when Star Wars was always about morality to begin with).
He died anticlimactically without the audience ever getting to really see what he was made of in a proper duel.
...and in the end Rey had to rebuild everything in his place.

Anakin: Bringing Palpatine back defeats the whole point of his destiny as the chosen one who was fated to bring balance to the Force. The whole saga was really about Anakin's rise, fall, and redemption (He, Obi-wan, and the droids are the only characters to show up in every movie pre-Disney.) His sacrifice means nothing now, and Rey has to clean up the mess that he started. Failure.

Obi-Wan: Was once a war hero and a great jedi who changed the fate of the galaxy. Now he's just an old, deceased crackpot who did little but train two generations of FAILURES.

Leia and Han: Their family fell apart, and the whole new republic they struggled and fought to establish failed Neither one of them lives to see their republic restored, since Rey has to rebuild everything in their place (notice a pattern yet?). The Skywalker bloodline is extinct, having been exterminated completely and replaced with a Palpatine.

C3PO and R2D2: They were the original bystanders to the whole saga from the very beginning. The two of them are the only characters to have been witness to nearly every important thing that happened across all six of the original movies under George Lucas. They're given next to nothing to do and are absent through most of the sequel trilogy--especially R2, who was effectively replaced by BB8. This breaks the narrative cohesion behind having these two lowkey characters having been around to witness the whole saga unfold.

Lando: They shoehorned him into the trilogy at the last minute, and we never get to see him reunited with any of the OG heroes from the original movies. Luke, Han, Leia, are never reunited at all and never share a scene altogether in the trilogy at all. At least Lando didn't die, I guess.

I give the prequels a lot of crap for being bad movies (Episode 3 was decent), but at least they had a clear vision that did something for the lore. The dialogue was trash and the excessive CGI sucked, but we still got a central conflict that was different. The enemies were different (Maul, Dooku, Grievous, , Oppress, Ventress). The politics were different. The new planets and aliens we got to see were different. We saw the Jedi in their prime. We got a dope cartoon (Clone Wars) that expanded on the lore. They gave us new characters that were memorable (Mace Windu, Maul, Plo, Ahsoka, Rex). The prequels had their flaws, but they still gave us SOMETHING, and they didn't have to tear down the legacies of the original heroes in the process.
What did the sequels give us that was dope or iconic on any level?

...

Porgs?

I agree and always say this, even tho the prequel trilogy has its faults, at the very least you can say it’s a clear consistent story throughout all 3, I dont know what the fukk this trilogy was and have literally no ambition too ever rewatch it again
 
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I hated how they used the Skywalker name to try to get people back in theaters after the terrible way they treated Luke in The Last Jedi. They really should have kept them out of it and just made something totally different like they did with The Mandalorian. That ending with Luke tearing through Dark Troopers is all people have really wanted to see.

Mandalorian had grown men on YouTube crying seeing Luke :mjlol:
 

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Yea RoTJ probably has the best closing act in the saga…but Like I said, directing wise hes fine. Its when hes the creative his shyt suffers and he always (trys to) leave someone else to clean up his messes…Trevorrows script for 9 was 10x more creative than Rise and actually would have tied things with 7&8 together. Thats why he was working with Rian to try to stick the landing. Then JJ threw it all out.


Jj abrahams is a trekkie and should have been let nowhere near star wars.

I hate star trek and trekkies hate star wars.

Trying to put the head trekkie ahead of star wars is what an idiot would do.


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A new Hope was the first movie i saw in theaters. I am a SW geek. It hurts me that havent watched it..
outside of rouge one these new SW movies dont exist to me.

it'll hurt you even more if you do watch it.

i groaned in the theater loud as fukk during the opening crawl of Rise and when they revealed other...truths.

shyt was garbage as fukk
 

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Watched the first Rey movie, it was so bad just as predicted I didn't bother with TLJ until last summer. It was even worse, won't bother with this film.

The franchise is dead to me.
 

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Watched the first Rey movie, it was so bad just as predicted I didn't bother with TLJ until last summer. It was even worse, won't bother with this film.

The franchise is dead to me.
I would have liked TLJ if not for the casino sequence, which took place in the middle of a fukking battle
And the whole movie feeling like filler
Like we didn't learn anything new about any of thr characters or the plot

I thought the first one didn't take enough risks, but the third one gave me new appreciation for them both

ROS is just pure shyt
 

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It’s pretty clear Disney’s priorities are make money...and that’s it. It’s clear in the Star Wars trilogy, in all their lame ass live action “remakes”, and now the Marvel shows. Quality story telling doesn’t make money...mystery boxes, meme-worthy content, and progressive politics make money....so that’s what we’ll keep getting from them.
I don't think they made a conscious decision to prioritize making more money over spending a little more to get the writing good. There are brilliant writers in this world that would write those movies for free. And terrible writing can kill the golden goose (Game of Thrones would be minting HBO cash to this day if not for season 8).

What probably happened? They just fukked up. They hired two superstar directors who were completely unaccountable to each other. Nobody had the ability to coral this because they probably didn't want to hurt the superstar director's feelings and the train was moving too fast (SFX teams in place, locations scouted, actors scheduled, etc.). Before they started, their boss (Kathleen Kennedy?) should've got them into a room and been like "So what's the plan?".

JJ Abrams prob thought it would be alright cause he had the first movie so the ability to set the story in motion. He underestimated how willing Rian Johnson was to blow up the whole trilogy for the sake of his one movie. So once the ink on the script for The Last Jedi was dry, The Rise of Skywalker was doomed. There was no where for the story to go.
 
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