Rise of Skywalker is trash
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Atsym Sknyfs
Superstar
I still havent watched this yet... im afraid to hit play
Days of Future Piff
Superstar
One thing that always bothers me with the sequels is how "fake-diverse" they are.
They talked a big game about being diverse with these movies, only to give the white woman all of the shine in the end.
They played up John Boyega as this great Jedi in the making... only to turn him into a bumbling space janitor and a joke who became more and more irrelevant with each movie.
Boyega himself was disappointed with how dirty they did his character.
They played up the guys from the Raid... only to kill them all off without even giving them a single dope fight.
To add insult to injury, they brought in Veronica Ngo only to kill her in the first few minutes of TLJ.
Imagine how crazy these movies could have been if they had given these people lightsabers...
They threw Kelly Marie Tran under the bus, giving her less than two minutes of screentime in Rise of Skywalker:
Notice a pattern?
They talked a big game about being diverse with these movies, only to give the white woman all of the shine in the end.
They played up John Boyega as this great Jedi in the making... only to turn him into a bumbling space janitor and a joke who became more and more irrelevant with each movie.
Boyega himself was disappointed with how dirty they did his character.
They played up the guys from the Raid... only to kill them all off without even giving them a single dope fight.
To add insult to injury, they brought in Veronica Ngo only to kill her in the first few minutes of TLJ.
Imagine how crazy these movies could have been if they had given these people lightsabers...
They threw Kelly Marie Tran under the bus, giving her less than two minutes of screentime in Rise of Skywalker:
Notice a pattern?
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
Typical progressive white ppl shytOne thing that always bothers me with the sequels is how "fake-diverse" they are.
They talked a big game about being diverse with these movies, only to give the white woman all of the shine in the end.
They played up John Boyega as this great Jedi in the making... only to turn him into a bumbling space janitor and a joke who became more and more irrelevant with each movie.
Boyega himself was disappointed with how dirty they did his character.
They played up the guys from the Raid... only to kill them all off without even giving them a single dope fight.
To add insult to injury, they brought in Veronica Ngo only to kill her in the first few minutes of TLJ.
Imagine how crazy these movies could have been if they had given these people lightsabers...
They threw Kelly Marie Tran under the bus, giving her less than two minutes of screentime in Rise of Skywalker:
Notice a pattern?
Toe Jay Simpson
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The force is female brehs
bigillwill06
All Star
this film made me hate star wars as a whole....As a kid i loved the originals but they are the most non chalant cash grab of a franchise ever. They literally give zero fukks about the properties quality. The mouse just knows it will sell regardless so they keep pumping out more and more trash.
Crayola Coyote
Superstar
The whole trilogy is trash
Days of Future Piff
Superstar
My other problem with the sequels is that they had zero respect for the legacies of the heroes and villains of the OG trilogy.
Luke Skywalker:
They took all the morality, courage, and nobility out of his character and made him a failure. He failed morally when he tried to kill his own nephew for having bad dreams about the dark side (which makes no sense considering that this was the same guy who laid down his life on the chance that Vader could be redeemed).
They made him a coward--he left his friends and family to fight and die without him.
His New Jedi Order failed to accomplish anything meaningful on any level.
He failed to teach Rey anything significant about morality or the force (when Star Wars was always about morality to begin with).
He died anticlimactically without the audience ever getting to really see what he was made of in a proper duel.
...and in the end Rey had to rebuild everything in his place.
Anakin: Bringing Palpatine back defeats the whole point of his destiny as the chosen one who was fated to bring balance to the Force. The whole saga was really about Anakin's rise, fall, and redemption (He, Obi-wan, and the droids are the only characters to show up in every movie pre-Disney.) His sacrifice means nothing now, and Rey has to clean up the mess that he started. Failure.
Obi-Wan: Was once a war hero and a great jedi who changed the fate of the galaxy. Now he's just an old, deceased crackpot who did little but train two generations of FAILURES.
Leia and Han: Their family fell apart, and the whole new republic they struggled and fought to establish failed Neither one of them lives to see their republic restored, since Rey has to rebuild everything in their place (notice a pattern yet?). The Skywalker bloodline is extinct, having been exterminated completely and replaced with a Palpatine.
C3PO and R2D2: They were the original bystanders to the whole saga from the very beginning. The two of them are the only characters to have been witness to nearly every important thing that happened across all six of the original movies under George Lucas. They're given next to nothing to do and are absent through most of the sequel trilogy--especially R2, who was effectively replaced by BB8. This breaks the narrative cohesion behind having these two lowkey characters having been around to witness the whole saga unfold.
Lando: They shoehorned him into the trilogy at the last minute, and we never get to see him reunited with any of the OG heroes from the original movies. Luke, Han, Leia, are never reunited at all and never share a scene altogether in the trilogy at all. At least Lando didn't die, I guess.
I give the prequels a lot of crap for being bad movies (Episode 3 was decent), but at least they had a clear vision that did something for the lore. The dialogue was trash and the excessive CGI sucked, but we still got a central conflict that was different. The enemies were different (Maul, Dooku, Grievous, , Oppress, Ventress). The politics were different. The new planets and aliens we got to see were different. We saw the Jedi in their prime. We got a dope cartoon (Clone Wars) that expanded on the lore. They gave us new characters that were memorable (Mace Windu, Maul, Plo, Ahsoka, Rex). The prequels had their flaws, but they still gave us SOMETHING, and they didn't have to tear down the legacies of the original heroes in the process.
What did the sequels give us that was dope or iconic on any level?
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Porgs?
Luke Skywalker:
They took all the morality, courage, and nobility out of his character and made him a failure. He failed morally when he tried to kill his own nephew for having bad dreams about the dark side (which makes no sense considering that this was the same guy who laid down his life on the chance that Vader could be redeemed).
They made him a coward--he left his friends and family to fight and die without him.
His New Jedi Order failed to accomplish anything meaningful on any level.
He failed to teach Rey anything significant about morality or the force (when Star Wars was always about morality to begin with).
He died anticlimactically without the audience ever getting to really see what he was made of in a proper duel.
...and in the end Rey had to rebuild everything in his place.
Anakin: Bringing Palpatine back defeats the whole point of his destiny as the chosen one who was fated to bring balance to the Force. The whole saga was really about Anakin's rise, fall, and redemption (He, Obi-wan, and the droids are the only characters to show up in every movie pre-Disney.) His sacrifice means nothing now, and Rey has to clean up the mess that he started. Failure.
Obi-Wan: Was once a war hero and a great jedi who changed the fate of the galaxy. Now he's just an old, deceased crackpot who did little but train two generations of FAILURES.
Leia and Han: Their family fell apart, and the whole new republic they struggled and fought to establish failed Neither one of them lives to see their republic restored, since Rey has to rebuild everything in their place (notice a pattern yet?). The Skywalker bloodline is extinct, having been exterminated completely and replaced with a Palpatine.
C3PO and R2D2: They were the original bystanders to the whole saga from the very beginning. The two of them are the only characters to have been witness to nearly every important thing that happened across all six of the original movies under George Lucas. They're given next to nothing to do and are absent through most of the sequel trilogy--especially R2, who was effectively replaced by BB8. This breaks the narrative cohesion behind having these two lowkey characters having been around to witness the whole saga unfold.
Lando: They shoehorned him into the trilogy at the last minute, and we never get to see him reunited with any of the OG heroes from the original movies. Luke, Han, Leia, are never reunited at all and never share a scene altogether in the trilogy at all. At least Lando didn't die, I guess.
I give the prequels a lot of crap for being bad movies (Episode 3 was decent), but at least they had a clear vision that did something for the lore. The dialogue was trash and the excessive CGI sucked, but we still got a central conflict that was different. The enemies were different (Maul, Dooku, Grievous, , Oppress, Ventress). The politics were different. The new planets and aliens we got to see were different. We saw the Jedi in their prime. We got a dope cartoon (Clone Wars) that expanded on the lore. They gave us new characters that were memorable (Mace Windu, Maul, Plo, Ahsoka, Rex). The prequels had their flaws, but they still gave us SOMETHING, and they didn't have to tear down the legacies of the original heroes in the process.
What did the sequels give us that was dope or iconic on any level?
...
Porgs?
zerorequiem
All Star
I hated how they used the Skywalker name to try to get people back in theaters after the terrible way they treated Luke in The Last Jedi. They really should have kept them out of it and just made something totally different like they did with The Mandalorian. That ending with Luke tearing through Dark Troopers is all people have really wanted to see.
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
I'm not trying to be controversial or drop a hot take, but setting aside your valid point that it's fake diversity anyways, I just feel like the whole thing is stupid and pointless if you can't be bothered to write a half-decent story to begin with.One thing that always bothers me with the sequels is how "fake-diverse" they are.
They talked a big game about being diverse with these movies, only to give the white woman all of the shine in the end.
They played up John Boyega as this great Jedi in the making... only to turn him into a bumbling space janitor and a joke who became more and more irrelevant with each movie.
Boyega himself was disappointed with how dirty they did his character.
They played up the guys from the Raid... only to kill them all off without even giving them a single dope fight.
To add insult to injury, they brought in Veronica Ngo only to kill her in the first few minutes of TLJ.
Imagine how crazy these movies could have been if they had given these people lightsabers...
They threw Kelly Marie Tran under the bus, giving her less than two minutes of screentime in Rise of Skywalker:
Notice a pattern?
It drives me crazy that they didn't even plan the fukking trilogy ahead of time. Not even the most basic skeleton of what beats they wanted to hit in each film. They couldn't be bothered to do that, and yet they could be bothered to go out their way to try to be diverse, when A: arguably it didn't even end up that diverse, and B: nobody gave a fukk anyways because the story was trash.
So at best it was just a diverse piece of trash.
I think most people want to see good stories and good movies first and foremost. And if there's diversity then that's amazing and even better. I'm just so worn down of these giant franchises dropping the ball on telling basic, good stories. I feel like most of the good posters here in The Film Room could've come up with better plot points and character motivations for the new trilogy than the actual people at Disney.
Embarrassing trilogy.
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
I also feel like Star Wars is not an IP like the MCU where people want to see a new film every year. Star Wars was special growing up, because they rarely came out. We went from getting a Star Wars trilogy every couple of decades to getting a new Star Wars movie every year.
I think they overestimated peoples' appetite for Star Wars. There's gotta be a happy medium between never dropping movies, and dropping them non-stop.
The big trick about Star Wars is that it was always a super small story. George Lucas basically told a story about a little family set in the back drop of this giant galaxy, but when you set aside the comics and novels, what was actually committed to film was actually rather small in scale. I think unless Disney starts taking some risks, that there's not as much meat on Star Wars bones as they expected when they paid however much they did to buy it from George Lucas.
Saysumthinfunnymike
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The sequel trilogy is a disaster on every level.
Use two different writer/directors that hate eachother when producing a trilogy, brehs.
They made money, though, so most consider them “good”, I guess
They made money but ruined the allure. Which is a disaster. Lucky for them Favreau and Filoni are doing a great job with The Mandalorian tryna fix this...
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
Yup
I think they should have done a complete 180 and had the sequels have a completely different feel
I was talking to someone on reddit, about if Marvel and DC would quit publishing comics or if they were too big to fail
They stated that Disney gets most of their money from the theme parks, so everything is advertising for that
Maybe that's why they whore everything out
Got to get a return
If Fisney and WB own all the big franchises, what a sad world