Revisionist History Thread

[Evil Grandson]

Again, Jay sold more than either X album. Lauryn is definitely in the 1998 convo.

Juvenile was clearly a 1999 contender.

those 2 albums sold 7 million in total stop it

 

[Evil Grandson]

Nas had '94? Oh really? Yeah bruh, nah. You couldn't have been there. Especially if you bringin' up sales for these other years and you think Nas was it in '94. That definitely didn't happen. Nas wasn't the guy that year. He was the guy who had an incredible album that should've been doing better than it did. That's the most revisionist thing in this thread.

Illmatic had the largest impact on rap this year so what are we talking about here? I'm referring to sales and impact b. Even Biggie said he thought Nas was the best in 94

 

[Evil Grandson]

Meth prob had '94. Biggie for '95. If you want to give Nas any year, it would be '96. Pac can be given '93..or Snoop.

Pac in 93? Stop nobody gave a fukk bout tupac till MATW he was an actor before then. Nas in 94 Snoop 93 Biggie 95 Pac 96

 

[JustCKing]

those 2 albums sold 7 million in total stop it

Keyword, total. Vol. 2 sold more than IDAHIH did it not. It also sold more than FOMF. It took both those albums combined to sell more than Vol. 2.

 

[JustCKing]

Illmatic had the largest impact on rap this year so what are we talking about here? I'm referring to sales and impact b. Even Biggie said he thought Nas was the best in 94

Nas's sales in 1994 were nowhere near the others and if we're talking impact in 1994, Snoop was still bigger than Nas.

 

[Wacky D]

Biggie and Pac had huge runs during their era, but they still weren't ELEVATED above the likes of Ra, KRS, LL etc. until later because of time.

Nas and Jay were not GOATs out of the gate. They both had debuts that were largely slept on and they were in the shadows of Biggie and Pac. In real time, their debuts didn't even get the reverence and respect until years later. They definitely had legacy boosts. And they were definitely second tier to Pac and Biggie in real time.

See my Nas and Jay example in regard to Kast.

UGK was regional, but moved beyond regional after "Big Pimpin".

A Top anything list is never revisionist. It changes with time. None of them are set in stone. A Top 10 from 1994 would look different from a Top 10 from 1996. A top 10 from 1996 woukd look different from a Top 10 from 2001. A Top 10 from 2001 looks different from a Top 10 from 2005. People actually had DMX and Big Pun in their Top 10 lists in the late 90's. How many of those lists had them there by 2003?

nah. its generational.
most people who have jay/nas/big/pac all in their top 5, never came up on rakim, KRS, LL, etc like that.
they didnt really get elevated over time. theyre generally considered the top 4 of their generation, which is the gen that is the most vocal on these topics.
plenty of oldheads dont have most of them ranked ahead of the older guys, and by the same token, theres people in their 50s & older who still have mel, caz, moe dee, etc in their top 5s. guys who never even got mentioned during the social media top 50 list craze a few months back.

so no, your forced comparison of outkast to jay/nas does not make sense.
outkast was never on their level of popularity or status. its not even close. they were a 2nd-tier rap group.

"big pimpin" did nothing for UGK nationally.
and theyre music is still regional. people don't know their music like that.

ALOT of people have DMX in their top 10.
ive only really seen Ricans & Dominicans hold big pun in THAT high of an esteem.

 

[Wacky D]

Pac in 93? Stop nobody gave a fukk bout tupac till MATW he was an actor before then. Nas in 94 Snoop 93 Biggie 95 Pac 96

for a guy who came in here basing his arguments on sales and claiming that Eminem & Ludacris were bigger than jay-z, you sure seem adamant on claiming that nas ran 1994.

nas in '94 was basically semi-underground. he had no hit records and moved no units. so by your logic, nas would be a nobody.

snoop in '94 was the most popular rapper ever, btw.

 

[DontEemTry]

Of course this would turn into a Hov thread.

That alone should tell you something about his status.

 

[Evil Grandson]

Keyword, total. Vol. 2 sold more than IDAHIH did it not. It also sold more than FOMF. It took both those albums combined to sell more than Vol. 2.

Lmaooooo it's dark sold 4 million hard knock sold 5. 1 million less. And had x not released a second album all the hype from his first woulda extended. You projecting hard. Clearly a jay z stan

 

[Evil Grandson]

for a guy who came in here basing his arguments on sales and claiming that Eminem & Ludacris were bigger than jay-z, you sure seem adamant on claiming that nas ran 1994.

nas in '94 was basically semi-underground. he had no hit records and moved no units. so by your logic, nas would be a nobody.

snoop in '94 was the most popular rapper ever, btw.

Can yall not read? I also mentioned impact

 

[Evil Grandson]

Nas's sales in 1994 were nowhere near the others and if we're talking impact in 1994, Snoop was still bigger than Nas.

Illmatic impacted rap enough to shift the dominance of the west coast back to the east.

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

There is no revision in getting a "legacy bump". Revision is someone saying "OutKast ran rap in 1994" or "UGK was widely considered GOAT when Ridin Dirty dropped" or "Three Six Mafia were household names once they dropped Mystic Stylez".

Wait, hold up...a more pressing question is...do you even understand the premise of the thread topic? Cos going off this post you're S T R U G G L I N G

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

Or did Ruff Ryders hop on Jay's wave? Jay's biggest songs from that era had nothing to so with Ruff Ryders. The biggest song off the Ruff Ryders compilation was a Jay solo though.

Ok, you're just dumb as fucc. Jay LITERALLY stole Swizz and used a bunch of his beats to make songs solely based on the success of IDAHIH...the fucc is this post?

Stop posting in this thread my nicca, you're out of your depth

 

[DANJ!]

@6 God

You are literally in a thread talking about revisionist history, revising history...

Now nobody gave a fukk about Pac until Me Against the World and Nas ran rap in '94...

I guess 'I Get Around' and 'Keep Ya Head Up' didn't happen and Strictly didn't go platinum. He was 'just an actor' until his third album... bet.

Meanwhile Nas was on top of the rap game in '94... while Snoop was one of the biggest names in all of music and even Wu-Tang were doing better numbers.

yeah bruh, you wasn't there.

 

[JustCKing]

Ok, you're just dumb as fucc. Jay LITERALLY stole Swizz and used a bunch of his beats to make songs solely based on the success of IDAHIH...the fucc is this post?

Stop posting in this thread my nicca, you're out of your depth

Jay stole Swizz? LOL. Swizz literally did like 3-5 songs for Jay during that '98-'99 run. A couple of those were bonus songs that sounded nothing like what Swizz did on IDAHIH. You're still dancing around the fact that one of the biggest songs to ever come out of Ruff Ryders is a Jay Z solo while the Swizz joints on Jay's albums really did nothing for Jay.