Revisionist History Thread

[Evil Grandson]

@6 God

You are literally in a thread talking about revisionist history, revising history...

Now nobody gave a fukk about Pac until Me Against the World and Nas ran rap in '94...

I guess 'I Get Around' and 'Keep Ya Head Up' didn't happen and Strictly didn't go platinum. He was 'just an actor' until his third album... bet.

Meanwhile Nas was on top of the rap game in '94... while Snoop was one of the biggest names in all of music and even Wu-Tang were doing better numbers.

yeah bruh, you wasn't there.

It took 2 years for strictly to go platinum nikka. 2 fukkin years so yes, nobody cared.


Snoop was a big name but Doggystyle dropped in 93. Illlmatic dropped in 94. Are you going to sit here and suggest Doggystyle had more impact on rap than Illmatic in 94.

 

[Evil Grandson]

Who is projecting? You said it yourself, Jay sold 5 million, X sold 4. Last time I checked, 5 >>>>> 4. Now you're trying to rationalize the second album as if Jay dropping a second album wouldn't have extended.

And no I'm not a Jay stan.

It wouldnt because it took like 4 years for that shyt to go 5 times platinum. DMX released two number 1s in a year we actually have the numbers to gauge for DMX not Jay Z. You are projecting lmfao. nikka tryna compare one album to one when DMX dropped 2, moved units on both, and made a larger impact in 98. Just say you a camel stan and move on my guy.

 

[Evil Grandson]

The East was not dominant after Illmatic. Warren G's Regulate was a bigger deal than anything coming off of the East until Ready To Die. I mean, even when Outkast popped off in 1994, "Player's Ball" and "Southernplayalistic" are G Funk records sonically. Biggie's "Big Poppa" has a West Coast swing to it too.

Ready to Die and Illmatic came out in the same year nikka. 94 was the turning point and Illmatic started that shyt this aint hard to understand. And it doesnt matter what vibe Biggie's music or Outkast, a group that wasnt that relevant till 96 utilized because their sounds overall still represented their region and both acts repped their region

 

[3rd Ward Swangin]

It took 2 years for strictly to go platinum nikka. 2 fukkin years so yes, nobody cared.


Snoop was a big name but Doggystyle dropped in 93. Illlmatic dropped in 94. Are you going to sit here and suggest Doggystyle had more impact on rap than Illmatic in 94.

Actually yes it still did. It came out late quarter almost 94. Illmatic took forever to touch Gold. Snoop and Death Row dropped Murder Was the case soundtrack in 94. Snoop didn't start kind of getting cold till 96 when Tupac came. Even then he was still all over Pac Album and had 2 Of America's Most wanted. If we're going to go by Album sales and spotlight they had it. Dogg Pound double Platinum. I can't even remember Nas till his second Album.

 

[3rd Ward Swangin]

Ready to Die and Illmatic came out in the same year nikka. 94 was the turning point and Illmatic started that shyt this aint hard to understand. And it doesnt matter what vibe Biggie's music or Outkast, a group that wasnt that relevant till 96 utilized because their sounds overall still represented their region and both acts repped their region

Illmatic only went Gold while Warren G regulate went 4 times platinum. Nas wasn't even selling what Tha Twiins was selling. Hell the damn Dove Shack went Gold.

 

[JustCKing]

Ready to Die and Illmatic came out in the same year nikka. 94 was the turning point and Illmatic started that shyt this aint hard to understand. And it doesnt matter what vibe Biggie's music or Outkast, a group that wasnt that relevant till 96 utilized because their sounds overall still represented their region and both acts repped their region

I know Ready To Die and Illmatic dropped in 1994. Illmatic didn't mark the turning point. Ready To Die did that.

It does matter what vibe Biggie and Kast were on because those sounds were indicative of the dominance of the G Funk inspired West Coast sound of the time. Kast was relevant in 1994 and one could argue more relevant than Nas in 1994. They had some sizable singles, a platinum album, which led to them appearing on Martin and the episode was named after their single "Player's Ball". An East Coast based Source magazine gave them 4.5 mics.

 

[JustCKing]

It wouldnt because it took like 4 years for that shyt to go 5 times platinum. DMX released two number 1s in a year we actually have the numbers to gauge for DMX not Jay Z. You are projecting lmfao. nikka tryna compare one album to one when DMX dropped 2, moved units on both, and made a larger impact in 98. Just say you a camel stan and move on my guy.

More revision on your part.

Vol. 2 went 5X platinum March 2000. IDAHIH went 4X platinum December 2000. By December 1998, Vol. 2 was 3X platinum. By February 1999, Vol. 2 was 4X platinum. IDAHIH was 3X platinum by February 1999.

Source: RIAA.

Your move.

 

[JustCKing]

It took 2 years for strictly to go platinum nikka. 2 fukkin years so yes, nobody cared.


Snoop was a big name but Doggystyle dropped in 93. Illlmatic dropped in 94. Are you going to sit here and suggest Doggystyle had more impact on rap than Illmatic in 94.

So I guess nobody cared about Illmatic either then because it took about the same amount of time for it to go Gold. It took over 7 years for it to go platinum.

 

[Wacky D]

The swizz era was terrible
Puffy shiny suit era is still prevalent
Pac dying killed the west coast

Suave house rap a lot>no limit cash money
If biggie didnt die jay z would have been memphis bleek

good stuff here.

especially the bolded. those irk me the most.​

I know Ready To Die and Illmatic dropped in 1994. Illmatic didn't mark the turning point. Ready To Die did that.

It does matter what vibe Biggie and Kast were on because those sounds were indicative of the dominance of the G Funk inspired West Coast sound of the time. Kast was relevant in 1994 and one could argue more relevant than Nas in 1994. They had some sizable singles, a platinum album, which led to them appearing on Martin and the episode was named after their single "Player's Ball". An East Coast based Source magazine gave them 4.5 mics.

why do you keep forcing outkast into that discussion??

this is the type of stuff I was talking about earlier.

"Hard Knock Life" is what elevated Jay Z. "Can I Get A..." was bigger than "Money, Cash" as was "Money Ain't A Thang".

"Jigga My nikka" was a bonus song on Vol. 3. Rightfully so, because it was a Jay solo originally on the RR compilation and was the biggest song on there.

I never liked "can I get a" outside of jarule's verse, but that was the biggest commercial record on that album and it was out before "hard knock life".

I see what youre trying to say but even the most casual of listeners understood that "money aint a thang" was JD's record.

youre heavily downplaying "money, cash, hoes".

It took 2 years for strictly to go platinum nikka. 2 fukkin years so yes, nobody cared.


Snoop was a big name but Doggystyle dropped in 93. Illlmatic dropped in 94. Are you going to sit here and suggest Doggystyle had more impact on rap than Illmatic in 94.

hell yea, doggystyle was the most impactful album of 1994.
and it dropped towards the end of '93.
same way the chronic was the biggest album of '93, even tho it dropped in '92. only difference is, doggystyle was huge out the gate.
and like dude said, out of the '94 calendar releases, warren g's regulate was the biggest.

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That being said, I know you don't ride with that "nobody gave a fk about Pac, he was just an actor until MATW" spiel... cause ain't nothin' true about that.

im just the middle man, I guess.

pac was def a rap star in '93, but he was no contender.

Did Nore steal Swizz too? Did Busta? Did Cam'ron?

say what now??

when did cam & swizz do a joint?

 

[JustCKing]

why do you keep forcing outkast into that discussion??

this is the type of stuff I was talking about earlier.

I didn't force Kast into anything. He was in here talking about how Illmatic changed Hip Hop in 1994, I merely used the singles from Kast to illustrate how the G Funk inspired West Coast was still dominant. Kast wasn't mybonly example. He said Kast wasn't relevant in 1994, which is a lie and a history rewrite.

I never liked "can I get a" outside of jarule's verse, but that was the biggest commercial record on that album and it was out before "hard knock life".

I see what youre trying to say but even the most casual of listeners understood that "money aint a thang" was JD's record.

youre heavily downplaying "money, cash, hoes".

"Can I Get A..." wasn't Vol. 2's biggest commercial record.

A casual listener definitely would've taken "Money Ain't A Thang" to be Jay Z song especially casual Hip Hop listeners considering JD wasn't exactly a rap superstar at the time. He was more known for production than rap.

"Money, Cash" definitely wasn't on the level of the other singles from Vol. 2.

 

[JustCKing]

say what now??

when did cam & swizz do a joint?

Swizz produced songs on Confessions of Fire.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Pac had a movie with Janet Jackson along with I get around and Keep ya head uo but according to the coli nobody really or checked for him

 

[DOGGFATHER96]

It took 2 years for strictly to go platinum nikka. 2 fukkin years so yes, nobody cared.


Snoop was a big name but Doggystyle dropped in 93. Illlmatic dropped in 94. Are you going to sit here and suggest Doggystyle had more impact on rap than Illmatic in 94.

ready 2 die took 2YEARS to go double plat. Strictly went gold in 2 months then certified platinum 1 year later, having 2 gold singles as well. Pac was solidified as a star by 93. Doggystyle DID HAVE THE MOST IMPACT from 93-94, the only rapper to come close to snoop's popularity at that time was 50 cent when get rich dropped in 03.

 

[The Dust King]

Remember the WTF convos after hearing he had a song with Puff.

not sure where u from but that song was the only song nggaz was respectin that had puffy on it

by then he was a wash and nggaz was into the lox and x already. nas came thru and delivered because it wasnt no jiggy shyt.

thats probably the hardest puff feat/ song ever. at least the biggest. his other "hardest" track feat nas came out same year

in a way nas gave puff street credibility after BIG passed

 

[DANJ!]

Pac had a movie with Janet Jackson along with I get around and Keep ya head uo but according to the coli nobody really or checked for him

I know... total revisionism, inside a thread about revisionism. You can't make this up.

nikkas are literally speakin' for "everybody" when they were barely even on the porch at the time.