Revisionist History Thread

[Wacky D]

"Can I Get A..." wasn't Vol. 2's biggest commercial record.

A casual listener definitely would've taken "Money Ain't A Thang" to be Jay Z song especially casual Hip Hop listeners considering JD wasn't exactly a rap superstar at the time. He was more known for production than rap.

"Money, Cash" definitely wasn't on the level of the other singles from Vol. 2.

culturally, "money, cash, hoes" was definitely on the level of the other singles. it was easily the biggest street hit on the album, and that's saying a lot cuz volume 2 was stacked.

no other song on that album performed on the charts or crossed over like "can I get a". I don't even like that song, btw.

it was clearly JD's song and he was clearly more known than jay at the time as well.

ready 2 die took 2YEARS to go double plat. Strictly went gold in 2 months then certified platinum 1 year later, having 2 gold singles as well.

nah.

it took 2 years for strictly to go platinum. and that's only cuz it got a sales bump from MATW and all the controversy.

not sure where u from but that song was the only song nggaz was respectin that had puffy on it

by then he was a wash and nggaz was into the lox and x already. nas came thru and delivered because it wasnt no jiggy shyt.

thats probably the hardest puff feat/ song ever. at least the biggest. his other "hardest" track feat nas came out same year

in a way nas gave puff street credibility after BIG passed

I remember alot of the purist fans of Nas, weren't really feeling "hate me now" like that.

the other end of nas' fanbase were already listening to puffy beforehand.

I don't see how he gave puff any extra "street credibility".

 

[JustCKing]

culturally, "money, cash, hoes" was definitely on the level of the other singles. it was easily the biggest street hit on the album, and that's saying a lot cuz volume 2 was stacked.

no other song on that album performed on the charts or crossed over like "can I get a". I don't even like that song, btw.

it was clearly JD's song and he was clearly more known than jay at the time as well.

Vol. 2 also had "nikka What, nikka Who" which was just as big culturally as "Mobey, Cash", if not bigger. That song was one of those songs that had people wanting to learn the lyrics and try to keep up with the flow.

"Hard Knock Life" performed better than "Can I Get A...". At that point, "Hard Knock Life" was Jay's biggest single.

JD was not more known than Jay Z as a rapper. People knew JD as a producer and the guy that introduced the world to Brat and Kriss Kross.

 

[DOGGFATHER96]

culturally, "money, cash, hoes" was definitely on the level of the other singles. it was easily the biggest street hit on the album, and that's saying a lot cuz volume 2 was stacked.

no other song on that album performed on the charts or crossed over like "can I get a". I don't even like that song, btw.

it was clearly JD's song and he was clearly more known than jay at the time as well.





nah.

it took 2 years for strictly to go platinum. and that's only cuz it got a sales bump from MATW and all the controversy.





I remember alot of the purist fans of Nas, weren't really feeling "hate me now" like that.

the other end of nas' fanbase were already listening to puffy beforehand.

I don't see how he gave puff any extra "street credibility".

Respectfully disagree, s4mn dropped in like October of 93 which went gold quickly then got certified platinum in april of 95 along with 2pacalypse now getting that same certification on that date too. Biggies ready to die dropped September of 94 selling only 50k in first week, it wasnt until REMIXPALOOZA in 95 that his sales began a boost and was certified double platinum in 96. 2pac even spoke on this in his August 96 interview with Rob marriot. Now the question would life after death went diamond had biggie not died? It would have been dope to see if he could out sell Nas IWW album which at the time was at 3 million sales. Speaking on Nas I do agree that core nas cand werent feeling hate me now at first due to them thinking he became a "sellout".

 

[Wacky D]

Respectfully disagree, s4mn dropped in like October of 93 which went gold quickly then got certified platinum in april of 95 along with 2pacalypse now getting that same certification on that date too. Biggies ready to die dropped September of 94 selling only 50k in first week, it wasnt until REMIXPALOOZA in 95 that his sales began a boost and was certified double platinum in 96. 2pac even spoke on this in his August 96 interview with Rob marriot. Now the question would life after death went diamond had biggie not died? It would have been dope to see if he could out sell Nas IWW album which at the time was at 3 million sales. Speaking on Nas I do agree that core nas cand werent feeling hate me now at first due to them thinking he became a "sellout".

I don't know why youre arguing with me about biggie. im one of the people who called him out for not selling all that crazy before he passed.

S4MN dropped in February '93. it went gold way later in the year, and it took 2 years to go platinum.
pac was on the verge of putting the mic down, until "I get around" blew up.

you don't see the correlation of all those pac albums getting plaques at the same time, in the midst of most of his controversies being at their height?​

Vol. 2 also had "nikka What, nikka Who" which was just as big culturally as "Mobey, Cash", if not bigger. That song was one of those songs that had people wanting to learn the lyrics and try to keep up with the flow.

Vol. 2 also had "nikka What, nikka Who" which was just as big culturally as "Mobey, Cash", if not bigger. That song was one of those songs that had people wanting to learn the lyrics and try to keep up with the flow.

"Hard Knock Life" performed better than "Can I Get A...". At that point, "Hard Knock Life" was Jay's biggest single.

JD was not more known than Jay Z as a rapper. People knew JD as a producer and the guy that introduced the world to Brat and Kriss Kross.

It doesn't matter what JD was known for. the bottom line is, he was more known, and more importantly, it was obvious that it was his song.
this is a silly argument anyway.

I don't see how "hard knock life" performed better, but whatever. I don't care about sales that much, and I never liked "can I get a".

 

[JustCKing]

I don't know why youre arguing with me about biggie. im one of the people who called him out for not selling all that crazy before he passed.

S4MN dropped in February '93. it went gold way later in the year, and it took 2 years to go platinum.
pac was on the verge of putting the mic down, until "I get around" blew up.

you don't see the correlation of all those pac albums getting plaques at the same time, in the midst of most of his controversies being at their height?​

It doesn't matter what JD was known for. the bottom line is, he was more known, and more importantly, it was obvious that it was his song.
this is a silly argument anyway.

I don't see how "hard knock life" performed better, but whatever. I don't care about sales that much, and I never liked "can I get a".

"nikka What, nikka Who" was just as big if not bigger than "Money Cash".

In regard to JD, it does matter what he was known for. You were referring to casual fans and to casual fans people didn't know JD for rapping. He was known for production. People checked for Jay Z for rapping. And yes "Money Ain't A Thang" is as much a Jay Z song as it is JD's. This wasn't a song where Jay just had the one 16 bar verse.

 

[surv2syn]

Jay was consistently Top 5 most popular rapper in the game. There was always rappers more popular than him tho. His consistency is what puts him above others.

this. was having convo the other day about how he never held the undisputed crown during any particular year. you had Nas, Big, Em, Weezy, X, Fif, etc...

 

[Wacky D]

"nikka What, nikka Who" was just as big if not bigger than "Money Cash".

In regard to JD, it does matter what he was known for. You were referring to casual fans and to casual fans people didn't know JD for rapping. He was known for production. People checked for Jay Z for rapping. And yes "Money Ain't A Thang" is as much a Jay Z song as it is JD's. This wasn't a song where Jay just had the one 16 bar verse.

maybe on the radio, since it was pushed harder. that about it.

well even the dumbest of the dumb could see that JD was rapping by that point. your argument is silly all-around.

 

[JustCKing]

maybe on the radio, since it was pushed harder. that about it.

well even the dumbest of the dumb could see that JD was rapping by that point. your argument is silly all-around.

"Nogga What" didn't get a harder push and I never mentioned radio.

Yeah, JD was rapping and people saw him rapping. That isn't the argument. The argument was him being bigger than Jay Z. In the rap world and especially to the casual listener, JD was a behind the scenes guy because he was a producer turned rapper and definitely wasn't the superstars that Dre and Puff were as producers turned rappers.

 

[DANJ!]

Respectfully disagree, s4mn dropped in like October of 93 which went gold quickly then got certified platinum in april of 95 along with 2pacalypse now getting that same certification on that date too. Biggies ready to die dropped September of 94 selling only 50k in first week, it wasnt until REMIXPALOOZA in 95 that his sales began a boost and was certified double platinum in 96. 2pac even spoke on this in his August 96 interview with Rob marriot. Now the question would life after death went diamond had biggie not died? It would have been dope to see if he could out sell Nas IWW album which at the time was at 3 million sales. Speaking on Nas I do agree that core nas cand werent feeling hate me now at first due to them thinking he became a "sellout".

It dropped in February... Holler If Ya Hear Me was the lead single and definitely didn't push it to gold in no two months. Strictly sold off the strength of I Get Around and Keep Ya Head Up.

Ready to Die went gold a couple months after it dropped and hit platinum after Big Poppa blew up.

I dunno why people make shyt up when the facts are easily accessible, or in cases like this, some of us were actually there to remember...

 

[Wacky D]

"Nogga What" didn't get a harder push and I never mentioned radio.

Yeah, JD was rapping and people saw him rapping. That isn't the argument. The argument was him being bigger than Jay Z. In the rap world and especially to the casual listener, JD was a behind the scenes guy because he was a producer turned rapper and definitely wasn't the superstars that Dre and Puff were as producers turned rappers.