Reverse Racism: (non gundumb edition)

[daze23]

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Sorry friend.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Yes ****** is just a word. ****** has a definition and it has nothing to do with black people. ****** means ignorant, savage, less than human. If you think all black people are ******s, you are a racist. Cracker just means "white person" if you think all white people are crackers, you maybe rude or inconsiderate but not racist.

I'm not defending the use of anything. I am condemning the notion that cracker and ****** are comparable.

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So why can't they be compared if they are just words?
I mean if me comparing the word who's meaning is "savage" to the word who's meaning is "white person" then what's the big deal? WHy are you defending one way or the other if they are just words, NEITHER Of them being racist.

Are we not allowed then to compare words? You lost me there somewhere.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Louis CK - Being White - YouTube

"Im a white man, you can't even hurt my feelings"

And were supposed to believe the word cracker somehow changes this.

I cant believe I'm even having this conversation.

 

[Brown_Pride]

"Im a white man, you can't even hurt my feelings"

And were supposed to believe the word cracker somehow changes this.

I cant believe I'm even having this conversation.

LOL @ a comic being the end all to the topic.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

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So why can't they be compared if they are just words?
I mean if me comparing the word who's meaning is "savage" to the word who's meaning is "white person" then what's the big deal? WHy are you defending one way or the other if they are just words, NEITHER Of them being racist.

Are we not allowed then to compare words? You lost me there somewhere.

You can compare them only by saying they are both words with different meanings. The comparisons end there. I'm defending the history of hate associated with the word nikka, and my ancesors that where called and treated like nikkas and I'm not letting this history be deminished by the notion that cracker is somehow the same as nikka.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

LOL @ a comic being the end all to the topic.

He's not an end all but a good anolog to the attitudes of white men rather they want to admit it or not.

 

[Gravity]

Secondly, history does not justify the usage of a racist term. YOU might not see it as a racist term, that does not mean it's not racist.

I've never said that history justifies the use of a racist term, I'm saying that history dictates which terms qualify as being racist slurs. Stop acting like I'm the only one who doesn't view the term cracker itself as a racist slur. I just showed you that Bill Clinton doesn't think that it's a racial slur either. Neither does Lawton Chiles, the white man that Clinton was referring to. Just because you(someone who isn't even white) claims that it's a racist slur, doesn't mean that it's racist.

Clinton did catch blow back for that by the way.

He received blowback from who?

IF obama comes out and says, "i need to work my nigca vote" how do you suppose that'll come off? Even if he means it lovingly.

It would be in bad taste because ifthe history associated with the term ******. Cracker doesn't have that history which is why it was not a big deal when Clinton used it. Your analogy is null and void, you can't compare cracker to ****** regardless of how bad you want to. Your head must be made of cement because I've tried to explain this to you numerous times.

Apparently there is some deficiency in reading going on here.
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Nah, I think that you read ok. It's your comprehension skills that are lacking. You don't seem capable of comprehending the simplest of concepts, hence you repeating the same nonsense over and over.

cracker, like it or not, is a term (based on race) that is used in a derogatory manner (especially in HL).

Well, whether you like it or not cracker isn't always used in a derogatory way. That's a fact, not an opinion. If people of this site use it in a derogatory way, then that just means that people of this site use it in a derogatory way. The people of this site certainly don't represent the masses. They don't even represent me, I told you that I use it as a slang word for whites. Cracker=white IMO, nothing more or less.

I don't particularly remember no see where I said Bill was a racist.

Well, you claim that cracker is a racist term, so Clinton must've have been being racist towards white people when he used it right?

I don't have to be white to know cracker is a racist term, just like I don't have to be black to know nigca is a racist term.

But you do have to have comprehension skills above a 3rd grade level to understand that cracker is not comparable to ******. Evidently you're not smart enough to understand that. You trivialize the plight of blacks people with this nonsense. You're being insulting you're just too ignorant to realize it and too stubborn to be taught why.

Like i've been saying over and over gain, the irony behind people wanting to fight racism while at the same time perpetuating it is...well ironic.

Like its been said over and over to you, the term cracker itself does not perpetuate racism. This site does not perpetuate racism. Ignorance perpetuates racism and you've got it in abundance. You don't know what racism is, all you know how to do is look in the dictionary and read the definition. You're not a critical thinker, you're simpleminded. I get your simple Simon argument, I'm trying to get you to think on a higher level. Racism isn't about name calling, it's about instituionalized discrimination.

 

[NoMayo15]

I've never said that history justifies the use of a racist term, I'm saying that history dictates which terms qualify as being racist slurs. Stop acting like I'm the only one who doesn't view the term cracker itself as a racist slur. I just showed you that Bill Clinton doesn't think that it's a racial slur either. Neither does Lawton Chiles, the white man that Clinton was referring to. Just because you(someone who isn't even white) claims that it's a racist slur, doesn't mean that it's racist.

How do you not get this? Clinton was referring to Florida whites and not using it in a way to demean. In that context, it's okay for Clinton to say it, although of course there were some people who thought it was unacceptable. Just like in certain contexts, a black person could say the n-word, and most people would be fine with it. That in itself doesn't make the word not a racial slur in other situations. Just because you (someone who isn't even white) claims it's not a racial slur, doesn't mean that it's not racist.

And I especially like that the Wiki article you're citing for Clinton's use of the word explicitly states cracker is a racial slur, but is used in a neutral context when referring to Florida or Georgia whites. It's great how you conveniently look past the very first sentence.

 

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[Brown_Pride]

I've never said that history justifies the use of a racist term, I'm saying that history dictates which terms qualify as being racist slurs. Stop acting like I'm the only one who doesn't view the term cracker itself as a racist slur. I just showed you that Bill Clinton doesn't think that it's a racial slur either. Neither does Lawton Chiles, the white man that Clinton was referring to. Just because you(someone who isn't even white) claims that it's a racist slur, doesn't mean that it's racist.

IF you have a problem with my definition of racism or the categorization of “Cracker” as a racial slur then please take it up with any number of dictionaries and encyclopedias that have been linked to in this thread, THEN come back and we can talk.

He received blowback from who?

SOME white folks.

It would be in bad taste because if the history associated with the term ******. Cracker doesn't have that history which is why it was not a big deal when Clinton used it.

Ah is that why it’s not a big deal when a black person uses nigg/er? Your argument doesn’t even stand up to a self check of logic man. You’re arguing emotions at this point.

Your analogy is null and void, you can't compare cracker to ****** regardless of how bad you want to. Your head must be made of cement because I've tried to explain this to you numerous times.

You’ve tried to explain to me why you feel the two words can’t be compared. You tried to convey your feelings and your thoughts and regardless of the FACTS and definitions and outright logical checks (some of them your very own) your idea that cracker isn’t a racist term falls dead on all counts. Outside of your personal belief, and that of the few other emotional cats in here, cracker is in fact a racial slur.

Nah, I think that you read ok. It's your comprehension skills that are lacking. You don't seem capable of comprehending the simplest of concepts, hence you repeating the same nonsense over and over.

I’m repeating the same things because I’m hoping that at some point you’ll check the double standard and dark tinted glasses you’re approaching this argument with. Alas I think that will never happen.

Well, whether you like it or not cracker isn't always used in a derogatory way. That's a fact, not an opinion. If people of this site use it in a derogatory way, then that just means that people of this site use it in a derogatory way. The people of this site certainly don't represent the masses. They don't even represent me, I told you that I use it as a slang word for whites. Cracker=white IMO, nothing more or less.

*sigh* clearly you’re having a hard time with a few things. No on ever said it can’t be used in a non-derogatory manner, quite to the contrary I think I’ve personally stated the opposite. What you’re not grasping is that even when someone doesn’t MEAN it in a bad way the word itself still carries those connotations. Furthermore whether YOU like it or not cracker is NOT a slang term for whites any more than NIGG/ER is a slang term for blacks.
I swear, flip a few words around in your argument and I’ve had this same debate with people on st0rmfr0nt.

Well, you claim that cracker is a racist term, so Clinton must've have been being racist towards white people when he used it right?

is Nigg/er a racist term? If so the by your logic a VAST majority of black people are racist then because they use this term pretty regularly.

But you do have to have comprehension skills above a 3rd grade level to understand that cracker is not comparable to ******. Evidently you're not smart enough to understand that. You trivialize the plight of blacks people with this nonsense. You're being insulting you're just too ignorant to realize it and too stubborn to be taught why.

They are comparable in many ways, one of them is that they are both racist terms, they are NOT comparable in the severity nor magnitude in which they are racist terms. A similar comparisons might be to compare “nigg/er” to “wetback”, your argument is that “wet/back” would be non racist as well because it doesn’t have the same degree of historical racism behind it.

Like its been said over and over to you, the term cracker itself does not perpetuate racism. This site does not perpetuate racism. Ignorance perpetuates racism and you've got it in abundance.

again the irony here is that your WHOLE argument for crack not being racist is that it historically doesn’t have the same degree of racial usage, couple that with your complete disregard of very simple to read definitions of the word “cracker” and you’ve pretty much embodied what it means to be ignorant. Ignorance in and of itself is not a bad thing, it’s a natural thing, your problems stems for STUPIDITY, that’s to say that when presented with facts and logical arguments you SHUN the very things that shed light on ignorance (facts and truth), you remain cowering in your own personal erroneous definitions of well-defined words.

You don't know what racism is, all you know how to do is look in the dictionary and read the definition. You're not a critical thinker, you're simpleminded. I get your simple Simon argument, I'm trying to get you to think on a higher level. Racism isn't about name calling, it's about instituionalized discrimination.

no what you’re trying to do is argue two different things and they don’t compute. Institutionalized racism is more than just racism. This WHOLE argument has been about the very broad term RACISM. Like I said 18 or so pages ago, if you want to argue institutionalized racism then go for it I’m not going to argue with you because I suspect I’d be right along with you. The thing is that there is MORE to racism than institutionalized racism and THAT is at the heart of this whole debate. Perhaps if you took the time to LEARN what the definitions for things are you would not make this mistake, but I guess since learning what things really mean vs what you feel they should mean is above you, again the very definition of ignorance.

YOU and people like you maintain a double standard for racism based on the lack of institutionalized racism against certain groups. THIS IS WRONG.

 

[Gravity]

How do you not get this? Clinton was referring to Florida whites and not using it in a way to demean.

Nope stop right here. Bill Clinton's comment wasn't in reference to just white people in Florida, he was referencing whites in all battle ground states including Pennsylvania and Ohio. He made this comment on The Larry King show while explaining his role in Obama's campaign. The idea that he was just talking about Florida whites is dumb and a testament to how far you'll go just to try and push your BS agenda. Not even reading the rest of that garbage. Shut up already.

 

[Brown_Pride]

And I especially like that the Wiki article you're citing for Clinton's use of the word explicitly states cracker is a racial slur, but is used in a neutral context when referring to Florida or Georgia whites. It's great how you conveniently look past the very first sentence.

I believe something may be wrong with his eyes; for some reasons when clear definitions are presented his eyes can't pick them up and his brain compensates by creating his own definitions of things. THEN whey you go to discuss whatever it is he has defined rather use the actual definition of the word he uses his own and.... well you get 27 pages of shyt like this.

Gravity: A circle has 3 sides.

Everyone else: No gravity a that's a triangle you're trying to discuss, a circle has no sides

Gravity: No, you have no idea what a circle is, it definitely has 3 sides.

Everyone else: No Gravity look:
Circle - Circle - Medical Definition and More from Merriam-Webster
a : a closed plane curve every point of which is equidistant from a fixed point within the curve

Triangle - Triangle - Medical Definition and More from Merriam-Webster
three-sided region or space and especially an anatomical one

Gravity: You don't know what a circle is, all you know how to do is look in the dictionary and read the definition. You're not a critical thinker, you're simpleminded. I get your simple Simon argument, I'm trying to get you to think on a higher level.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

IF you have a problem with my definition of racism or the categorization of “Cracker” as a racial slur then please take it up with any number of dictionaries and encyclopedias that have been linked to in this thread, THEN come back and we can talk.


SOME white folks.


Ah is that why it’s not a big deal when a black person uses nigg/er? Your argument doesn’t even stand up to a self check of logic man. You’re arguing emotions at this point.


You’ve tried to explain to me why you feel the two words can’t be compared. You tried to convey your feelings and your thoughts and regardless of the FACTS and definitions and outright logical checks (some of them your very own) your idea that cracker isn’t a racist term falls dead on all counts. Outside of your personal belief, and that of the few other emotional cats in here, cracker is in fact a racial slur.


I’m repeating the same things because I’m hoping that at some point you’ll check the double standard and dark tinted glasses you’re approaching this argument with. Alas I think that will never happen.

*sigh* clearly you’re having a hard time with a few things. No on ever said it can’t be used in a non-derogatory manner, quite to the contrary I think I’ve personally stated the opposite. What you’re not grasping is that even when someone doesn’t MEAN it in a bad way the word itself still carries those connotations. Furthermore whether YOU like it or not cracker is NOT a slang term for whites any more than NIGG/ER is a slang term for blacks.
I swear, flip a few words around in your argument and I’ve had this same debate with people on st0rmfr0nt.
is Nigg/er a racist term? If so the by your logic a VAST majority of black people are racist then because they use this term pretty regularly.


They are comparable in many ways, one of them is that they are both racist terms, they are NOT comparable in the severity nor magnitude in which they are racist terms. A similar comparisons might be to compare “nigg/er” to “wetback”, your argument is that “wet/back” would be non racist as well because it doesn’t have the same degree of historical racism behind it.

again the irony here is that your WHOLE argument for crack not being racist is that it historically doesn’t have the same degree of racial usage, couple that with your complete disregard of very simple to read definitions of the word “cracker” and you’ve pretty much embodied what it means to be ignorant. Ignorance in and of itself is not a bad thing, it’s a natural thing, your problems stems for STUPIDITY, that’s to say that when presented with facts and logical arguments you SHUN the very things that shed light on ignorance (facts and truth), you remain cowering in your own personal erroneous definitions of well-defined words.

no what you’re trying to do is argue two different things and they don’t compute. Institutionalized racism is more than just racism. This WHOLE argument has been about the very broad term RACISM. Like I said 18 or so pages ago, if you want to argue institutionalized racism then go for it I’m not going to argue with you because I suspect I’d be right along with you. The thing is that there is MORE to racism than institutionalized racism and THAT is at the heart of this whole debate. Perhaps if you took the time to LEARN what the definitions for things are you would not make this mistake, but I guess since learning what things really mean vs what you feel they should mean is above you, again the very definition of ignorance.

YOU and people like you maintain a double standard for racism based on the lack of institutionalized racism against certain groups. THIS IS WRONG.

You keep saying the same thing over and over again. So will say this again since you guys seem to ignore the fact.

The definition of cracker is "white person from a certain region or background" the term is SOMETIMES used in a derogatory manner but the actual MEANING of the word is just white person.

The definition of ****** is ignorant, savage, less than human. The definition of ****** alone is an insult no matter who uses it or who they are talking about. The racist history of America has tied this term to black people. But the term itself is an insult, add that with Americas history of racism and discrimination torward blacks while calling them this word and you can see why it envokes so many different emotions.

This is why it's insulting to try to compare the two words. One is merly a physical description the other is a degrading word no matter who says it or who they are talking to.

The definition of cracker you guys keep quoting says the word is SOMETIMES and I repeat SOMETIMES used as an insult. Well so is the word "boy" "them" "you people" ect should we lump all those words together and compare them to nikka as racist as well?

 

[Brown_Pride]

You keep saying the same thing over and over again. So will say this again since you guys seem to ignore the fact.

The definition of cracker is "white person from a certain region or background" the term is SOMETIMES used in a derogatory manner but the actual MEANING of the word is just white person.

The definition of ****** is ignorant, savage, less than human. The definition of ****** alone is an insult no matter who uses it or who they are talking about. The racist history of America has tied this term to black people. But the term itself is an insult, add that with Americas history of racism and discrimination torward blacks while calling them this word and you can see why it envokes so many different emotions.

This is why it's insulting to try to compare the two words. One is merly a physical description the other is a degrading word no matter who says it or who they are talking to.

The definition of cracker you guys keep quoting says the word is SOMETIMES and I repeat SOMETIMES used as an insult. Well so is the word "boy" "them" "you people" ect should we lump all those words together and compare them to nikka as racist as well?

I would argue boy yes, the others no. THey are not founded on racial criteria, though they are demeaning.

What happened to nigg/er being a term of endearment? THAT is not in the dictionary definition of the word.

I'd be more than happy to conceded the point that cracker is a racist term if you're willing to concede the point that nigg/er is a racist term devoid of "endearment".