Report: Florida man beat child with belt because of school grades

[Originalman]

I know one thing. If you have kids or teach in school (especially in these big cities). You know kids act out and do shyt they would have never done in the past. I have a multitude of family members who teach and they will even admit the behavior of the kids have gotten worse and worse with every generation. At the same time the parents have gotten more and more lax with disciplining the kids.

Parents now a days do not discipline kids like they did in the past. Plus with teachers not being able to administer corporal punishment (with the blessing of the parents). You now have a situation where the kids run the school and not the teachers/adults.

I can't tell you how many times I hear about some kid in school acting out. Throwing temper tantrums, hitting kids, flipping desk, talking back to teachers. Then when the teacher tell the parent they do nothing. But be making excuses for how the kid is behaving.

Generations ago that shyt did not go down. A child knew that if the teacher called their parents....their ass was grass.

Now these little kids laugh at the teacher when they say they are going to call their parents. On some I don't care I will cuss my parents out and do what I want to do.

 

[Lakerman0834]

my friends and i got our ass beat for bad grades. Middle eastern families dont play around but now we all MD, JD, engineers.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

There's only 3 types of discipline. Supportive, corrective and preventive.

Physical redirection can be warranted and healthy. A smack on the hand is not abuse. However it can be abusive. One single smack could make a noise but not cause any flushing of the skin, no welting or stinging. Yet one single smack can break the hand at the wrist, cause swelling and bruising.

But nowadays everyone thinks everything is abuse. I sat in on a parenting class where adults nearly came to blows over leaving a crying child in their Crib. Young children wake up in the middle of the night crying. As a parent you go in make sure they aren't physically hurt, sick, needing a change, hungry/thirsty. You tend to them as needed. Yet if there's nothing that requires physical intervention such as a change, a bottle, you comfort them for a moment then put them back down and walk out of the room and if they continue to cry cause they want out or want to sleep with mom or dad or are scared, you let them cry because that's what they need to learn to sleep alone or not be scared at night.

You would have thought it was an debate on abortion they way people were screaming of emotion abuse, neglect and distress vs people thinking otherwise.

Like I said there's a level of responsibility and accountability parents have to have in general, whether administering punishments or physically redirecting behavior or anything. If you're stressed the fukk out, it's in YOUR best interest to not hit your kid otherwise you might go the fukk off and end up in jail. Same if your an alcoholic or use drugs. Don't have a couple beers and think "ima whoop this boys ass, fukking around in school coming home with d's and f's. I told him to quit fukking around...."

These lazy ass parents don't want to admit they are the problem. Yeah your kid is fukking up at school but you arent doing your part.

IMO it's about having a plan and purpose in your parenting. A lot of people have kids and just react to whatever comes. Then they get frustrated and beat them or yell at them or w/e. Kids are not dumb. Eventually they figure out their parents are full of shyt and start tuning them out. If you establish boundaries and respect and are always the adult in the room things go way smoother.

Some physicality is needed. You have to keep kids from danger, or sometimes force them to do things so they remain accountable. But face slaps and belts and shyt? Naw, that's just frustration and abuse.

 

[Taadow]

Jumping to the defense of people who beat their kids is not very logical breh. And it's obvious you don't like me, but try to hide behind "debate" to express it. Just say "fukk THAT nikka @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy!" a couple of times... and say it with your chest so you feel like a man.

1. I am not defending people who "beat" their kids...I am defending physical discipline, which is a thing.
2. I have no ill will toward you Mister Disco, I thought we were good.
3. I am not debating you, I am telling you things.

"Start by accepting my discipline" This is not something honorable men from Harlem say to other men You are wilding. The only thing worse than somebody emotional is somebody emotional in denial. Don't do that. We're done here

1. I'll have you know that "start by accepting my discipline" is something the honorable Dr. Napier said to one Joe Clark, ironically about what is best for children.
I am shocked you do not know of that quote.
2. We are not done here, sir.
2b. Can you say to me in the good faith that you don't think it is ever a good idea to strike a child correctively?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I know one thing. If you have kids or teach in school (especially in these big cities). You know kids act out and do shyt they would have never done in the past. I have a multitude of family members who teach and they will even admit the behavior of the kids have gotten worse and worse with every generation. At the same time the parents have gotten more and more lax with disciplining the kids.

Parents now a days do not discipline kids like they did in the past. Plus with teachers not being able to administer corporal punishment (with the blessing of the parents). You now have a situation where the kids run the school and not the teachers/adults.

I can't tell you how many times I hear about some kid in school acting out. Throwing temper tantrums, hitting kids, flipping desk, talking back to teachers. Then when the teacher tell the parent they do nothing. But be making excuses for how the kid is behaving.

Generations ago that shyt did not go down. A child knew that if the teacher called their parents....their ass was grass.

Now these little kids laugh at the teacher when they say they are going to call their parents. On some I don't care I will cuss my parents out and do what I want to do.

There is usually a reason a kid is acting out. It's better to address the underlying cause than react to the symptoms with violence. It's not either or. There is a third solution the parents/teachers are not pursuing for whatever reason.

 

[Wildin]

It's not if you are committed and do it right. A lot of people have kids for the wrong reasons with no planning.

I know you're black but this is cac babble. There's no right reason or right time to have a child.

There's no such thing as a child plan. You can "plan" on having a son and teaching him football or baseball, even signing him up every year until he graduates high school and if he wants to suck dikk and wear dresses that's what he is going to do regardless of what you planned.

Being committed has absolutely nothing to do with the difficulty of child rearing. You can be the most committed parent in the world (if there was anyway to measure that sort of thing) and have a kid with a mental or physical disability. Doesn't make it easier. You can have a child who has no mental or physical disabilities and your child experiences regular life, a friend moving away, grief (loss of a grandparent, pet, family member). There's no "my kid has a cold but I'm a committed parent, this is going to be a breeze."

 

[Sad Bunny]

I'm sure this beating with the belt will help improve this child's grades. Father of the year.

 

[Wildin]

A lot of people have kids and just react to whatever comes.

This is just a specific group of parents though. That doesn't apply to a lot of parents. And there are plenty of parents outside of the fail to plan, day by day parenting that spank or whoop their kids. That doesn't make it right at all but of course it's wrong when you discuss people who are already defined as bad parents.

A face smack can be warranted. Now to bytch slap, or pimp slap a child, not very likely. When my niece was teething she clenched down on my shouleer, I gave her a pop. Her jaw didn't click together, her head didn't fly back, she didn't get a swollen face or bloody lip. It was just a tap with a "don't bite" I doubt she reacted to any pain but more so being physically redirected.

I can see how my example is different, I wasn't trying to hurt her. When I smacked her hand years later cause she was dancing in the kitchen, I wasn't trying to hurt her, but I wanted her to have a physical reminder, physiological reaction. So I did that. I smacked her hand. When she cried, I gave her a hug. I explained why I smacked her and told her, "I'd rather smack your hand then you get burned on the stove...watch what happens (then I put the deli meat on the stove and picked her up so she could see what happened)".

People go too far. Beating on kids and others until they are begging and pleading, crying, yelling and screaming. Whooping them for longer than 3 minutes, berating them, insulting them.

You can spank your child and get the point across without all of that. People that abuse their children and others who appropriately physically redirect their children can't be lumped into the same category.

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

I never got hit with a switch but I remember seeing my cousin get hit with switches all the time and that shyt was to watch.

If y'all ever grew up in the south, y'all know what I'm talking about lol.
My mom only used a belt on me.

You know you're from the south when "go grab my belt" made you half and half .

If your parents are blue collar with big/strong/rough hands, getting smacked with open palm is almost as bad as the belt.

 

[born of fire]

so now the kid has welts and is still failing and they probably hate you! good job

enjoy the shytty nursing home you’ll be sitting alone in the future

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Personally don't regret my whoopings/spankings because I usually earned them. Parents were always fair.

I got straight As...if my grades dipped to Bs then momma took away the Playstation...no Madden 97 or Metal Gear. That shyt got me right back on track.

 

[Easy-E]

I'm against the jail shyt, but, I'm tired of black people think a belt to the ass is the pinnacle of "discipline"

It's not okay--no matter how much we romantize it--to sent your kid to school with marks

 

[Easy-E]

The reason "whoopings" have been made illegal is due to people going overboard. Instead of whooping your kids for correction, people do it in anger and take it too far so the law has to limit it for everybody. This is an example. leaving welts all over his body is "too far."

My problem with that is; who actually gets to decide that?

A child is "whooped" a hundred times before someone steps in.

That line is thin.

 

[diggy]

I used to get belted in my early years (elementary), then it stopped .... my dad used to lecture me, long ass, drawn out lectures.

I'd rather have had the belt in theory, the pain would have been over faster.

Id go into my room, he would talk to me so long, when I finally got out the room from being lectured, I'd have a full beard and a car payment.

 

[Wildin]

I'm tired of black people think a belt to the ass is the pinnacle of "discipline"

Just black people? I know the everyone else does it too argument is silly. But they do. And they still have their criminals and murders as well as their scholars and philanthropists.

You already know in every facet that the system is harder on black people.

The student got a D in math, his parents don't care
Well black people aren't good at math aren't good at math anyway, their parents don't care if they fail or succeed and often they don't even care
DeMarcus's dad hit him cause he failed math, I told you they are bad parents
The state is charging the parents with abuse for whooping their kid they didn't care about in the first place because failed math. Now the kid gets to live with someone else, but it's too late he has behavior issues, doesn't know math, his parents don't care and he doesn't care. Those damn blacks .