Reparations: Zimbabwe Signs A $3.5 Billion Compensation Deal With White Farmers
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Cobalt Sire
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People said sanctions were part of the reason Zimbabwe failed to stay afloat after kicking out white farmers. If Zimbabwe were more isolationist towards white countries and their puppets, sanctions wouldn't matter. If sanctions matter, Africa is a little too dependent on non-black countries. Let's get to the point where black countries can survive, even without trade relationships with non-black countries. Black countries don't have enough leverage in their dealings with other countries, so it's easy to be exploited. Gaddafi is gone, so it's time to make the next play.
Let's not deflect to Black Americans, because that's not the topic. When that becomes the topic, we can talk about it.
I don't think you understand how the modern economy works. Everyone is dependent on others to help in globalization for shyt to work. The reason why African nations struggle is because White countries who have all of the wealth are not interested in helping them. Sounds similar? African countries just aren't rich enough to compete.
Cobalt Sire
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Starting from 0 is better than white people owning everything. If that's the only deal on the table, then forget them.
The best way to describe this is why can't Black people just start from 0 in America instead of doing anything with cacs? Okay, where? Where can we go for this to happen? North Sentinel Island? They don't want us either.
Cobalt Sire
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If western countries offered these colonial deals to Asian countries, there would be no trade, because Asians wouldn't take it. If fair trade is available, then take it. If the trade involves white people owning all of your land and business, that's not going to work out for the black populace. Do you understand how wealth is built? I can tell you it's not from working for the white man. You have to own things. A country in that position would be better off just starting over and only working with people that offer fair deals.
Cryptocurrency Scarface
Coinbased
This is one of the worst pieces of C00ning I have ever seen in my life 
(aside from genocide of your own people)
It actually got me in tears
(aside from genocide of your own people)It actually got me in tears
Cobalt Sire
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For a long time we were segregated and had thriving black communities that had no white involvement. Some of these communities were bombed and raided. We didn't have a military to protect black interests. If we really wanted to, we could easily do group economics today, but black people are misguided about group economics. We're also spread out and it's hard to find black-owned businesses in many areas. It's not really analogous to Zimbabwe and many other African countries. Zimbabwe got sanctioned and cut off from white money for not allowing a minority white people to own everything. In certain ways, Black Americans are and were sanctioned through systemic racism, but were still able to build thriving communities that didn't involve or need white people.
White people aren't giving Asians shyt deals. They do that to us. That's the part you refuse to get and when they don't get their way, they bring in their military and their puppet gov't to serve their cause. It's like you lose all ability to critically think when shyt is going on outside of Black America.
Where are those communities today? Black WallStreet. Bombed, burned down, massacred, and haven't recovered since. Sounds like Africa but it hasn't recovered in 500 years since the Europeans did it to them. You really need to get a grip. There isn't this world that on some level you escape the white supremacist in a system of white supremacy.
Who is the African military that can fight against any European power much less NATO, and the US? Who? These countries got military bases all in Africa. nikka, have you ever decided to research before you talk? This nikka must think it's still 1300. You must be waiting for Wakanda.
mbewane
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LOL, this is the same country that refused money for Katrina because those countries wanted to help the Blacks with it. Ya'll delusion with what cacs will let you do is hilarious.
@Scustin Bieburr and @Cobalt Sire
Ask yourself who is producing those "documentaries". I feel like this was a South African documentary and not Zimbabwe.
Zim did not kill white farmers.
The claim black farmers did not know how to cultivate land is false.
Blacks were the farmers and farm managers, whites were essentially rural land and farm "Land Lords" they had armies of blacks working the land doing all the work, running the farms while owning the land, making all the profits and doing the business deals while paying these black workers peanuts to work on their stolen ancestral land.
Whites have never farmed in Southern Africa, they merely employ blacks on land they stole from them to do all the actual farming.
Total farm production output has gone up since Mugabe land reforms according to the export data, so the idea that they did not know how or do a damn thing is false propaganda.
Even if it were true that they couldn't farm or did not know how to farm it makes no difference anyways. If white people stole your property does it matter how they use it? Does it matter if they made more money off of your property than you?
White people have white privilege, white farm managers were never put under sanctions like black farmers, they were given equipment from British companies with years to repay and months of no loan repayment. In Zimbabwe once blacks took back their stolen land, boom sanctions which prevent half the equipment from being imported are levied on (black) farmers and sanctions blocking their exports to Europe, UK, USA, Canada and most Western high income nations where they'd get the best prices.
Look at the discrimination black American farmers face with Pigford case compared to white farmers in America. Farmers Admin takes 370 days to approve a black farmers loan and 30 days for a white farmer loan. You can't even farm in America without a loan.
If they want to make a farmer look bad it is very easy to do, you can't judge by output alone, you have to look at the help going in.
The failure in Zimbabwe is that they failed to do simple things like survey the land to give title and therefore property rights to new farmers. You had people with land taken back in the 1990s just getting land title in the 2015-18 period. So no loans to expand your farming for decades.
Ask yourself who is producing those "documentaries". I feel like this was a South African documentary and not Zimbabwe.
Zim did not kill white farmers.
The claim black farmers did not know how to cultivate land is false.
Blacks were the farmers and farm managers, whites were essentially rural land and farm "Land Lords" they had armies of blacks working the land doing all the work, running the farms while owning the land, making all the profits and doing the business deals while paying these black workers peanuts to work on their stolen ancestral land.
Whites have never farmed in Southern Africa, they merely employ blacks on land they stole from them to do all the actual farming.
Total farm production output has gone up since Mugabe land reforms according to the export data, so the idea that they did not know how or do a damn thing is false propaganda.
Even if it were true that they couldn't farm or did not know how to farm it makes no difference anyways. If white people stole your property does it matter how they use it? Does it matter if they made more money off of your property than you?
White people have white privilege, white farm managers were never put under sanctions like black farmers, they were given equipment from British companies with years to repay and months of no loan repayment. In Zimbabwe once blacks took back their stolen land, boom sanctions which prevent half the equipment from being imported are levied on (black) farmers and sanctions blocking their exports to Europe, UK, USA, Canada and most Western high income nations where they'd get the best prices.
Look at the discrimination black American farmers face with Pigford case compared to white farmers in America. Farmers Admin takes 370 days to approve a black farmers loan and 30 days for a white farmer loan. You can't even farm in America without a loan.
If they want to make a farmer look bad it is very easy to do, you can't judge by output alone, you have to look at the help going in.
The failure in Zimbabwe is that they failed to do simple things like survey the land to give title and therefore property rights to new farmers. You had people with land taken back in the 1990s just getting land title in the 2015-18 period. So no loans to expand your farming for decades.
They are of the US led Cold War Era of Africa's militarization. The purpose?
To carry out the "4 D policies"
- Deindustrialization (factory closure, capital flight, focus on imports)
- Deregulation (lax laws allowing foreign multinationals to do what they want)
- Dollarization (make the central bank dependent on IFI's)
- Defunding of public assets (schools, hospitals, etc)
Since natural response from the masses would be revolt or overthrowing the regime, the US-led Cold War Era figureheads were armed to the teeth to repress civil discontent. In other words, many figure heads were military generals.
Now that some African countries are moving to civilian rule, there is a bit of a transition some more rocky than others.
But why just the Americans? There is an average of nearly 200 million people of African descent around the world and some African diplomats have reached out like in the case of Surinam. However, they thought that civil societies were already organized only to find out that they weren't and the diplomats were very limited in their ability to engage in the ways the Surinamese wanted. Any engagement with Afrodescendants will require an established network of appropriate community-based institutions for this to work. "Homeland" interventions in the eyes of international law is a violation of national sovereignty.