Reparations: Zimbabwe Signs A $3.5 Billion Compensation Deal With White Farmers

[Swahili P'Bitek]

Zimbabwe, Kenya, SA, Namibia were white settler colonies/economies.It is not a coincidence we still have land issues in certain parts to this day, Africans from these regions, let's be honest to ourselves now, we know what it is.

Post colonialism, a similar trend occurred.We know European gvts. stood beside their people, and if we gained back these lands, it was through loans from you know who and also certain elites benefited, not the population in the manner they were supposed to.

Zimbabwe's case was just delayed but finally it happened.

 

[Remote]

"Their land"
??

What?

 

[Rawtid]

Wow.

 

[Phitz]

That’s what happens when you have no plan, now you have to beg white men to come back and farm so you can eat.

No, the people are being held hostage by self serving greedy puppet leaders

 

[Phitz]

zimbabwe dont even have the money to give reparations...they trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat...it doesnt look good that most of the people in the country is struggling and the government celebrating giving billions to a small number of white farmers...

billions in Zim money, or they will get a loan that the govt will have to pay back.

 

[King Ming]

Perhaps. But that's nothing more than excuses now. Most African leaders are incredibly short sighted.
Mugabe had ample opportunity to make the situation for Zim better. He should've seen the sanctions coming and prepared accordingly.
After he seized the farms, what did he do with them? He gave most of them to his flunkies, not to those that could work the farms. He also never subsidised the retaken fams.
Mugabe could've asked many other African leaders for help... he didn't.

Say what you want about Botswana situation. Here's a fact. Botswana at the time of its independence was the 2nd poorest country in the world.
Its leaders didn't whine and bytch about it.
They didn't appeal for aid (most of the time).
They made healthy, practical decisions for their economy and infrastructure.

Blaming the white man gets Africa, nowhere.
Good policymaking on infrastructure and economy is the only way to go.

True, but we can not overlook the obvious. If Zim had no sanctions from the West it would be a different country altogether.

Botswana has been a very well run country since independence. My point is each African country has its own complexities stemming from pre-independence divide and rule policies of the colonizers and the looting that happened at the time

Botswana is largely desert, low population, and few natural resources. No colonial power wanted them, they became a British protectorate. They learned to self govern from a very early time and didn't have much to fight over.
Following "independence" they later found diamonds after the Cacs colonizers had left, which allowed the now more experienced government to actually fund public services, infrastructure etc allowing Botswana to develop into a -middle class economy.

Zim on the other hand was full of resources (Gold, diamonds etc) and has a decently diverse population coming from the major ethic tribal groups. The white rule didn't allow blacks to really learn "how" to govern, so many of them were pretty much corrupted by the ideologies of the communist blocs of the cold war preaching freedom and equality... But of course as soon as the British were done looting and left power in the hands of the Black rulers it the coffers were depleted

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

True, but we can not overlook the obvious. If Zim had no sanctions from the West it would be a different country altogether.

I'm not denying the sanctions put on Zimbabwe. Sanctions or none, Mugabe fukked up.

Botswana has been a very well run country since independence. My point is each African country has its own complexities stemming from pre-independence divide and rule policies of the colonizers and the looting that happened at the time

I mostly agree with this. Every African country is different. However, most of the el presidentes of the countries always seem to be corrupt, self serving tyrants.

Botswana is largely desert, low population, and few natural resources. No colonial power wanted them, they became a British protectorate. They learned to self govern from a very early time and didn't have much to fight over.
Following "independence" they later found diamonds after the Cacs colonizers had left, which allowed the now more experienced government to actually fund public services, infrastructure etc allowing Botswana to develop into a -middle class economy.

I know. One slight correction. Most of Botswana is semi-arid hot steppe, not desert.

Zim on the other hand was full of resources (Gold, diamonds etc) and has a decently diverse population coming from the major ethic tribal groups. The white rule didn't allow blacks to really learn "how" to govern, so many of them were pretty much corrupted by the ideologies of the communist blocs of the cold war preaching freedom and equality... But of course as soon as the British were done looting and left power in the hands of the Black rulers it the coffers were depleted

There were still plenty of natural resources after the Euro Colonisers had left many Sub-Saharan countries yet many of the African el presidentes failed to capitalise on this. Instead, they acted like shytty, self serving dictators. If anything Botswana's situation when they gained independence was even was worse. Yet, look at them now.

I'm not denying 'The West's' nefarious hand in many of fukked up situations that have plagued Africa. However, that is no excuse for bad leadership.

 

[The Plug]

Why is that only African Americans like Mugabe yet all the Zimbabweans and Africans dislike him? Helping your people is more important than being on some fukk white people shyt

 

[Yo Mama]

Why is that only African Americans like Mugabe yet all the Zimbabweans and Africans dislike him? Helping your people is more important than being on some fukk white people shyt

I have never understood the Mugabe love on this site.

I guess most are not really informed about who he was.

All they know/think and run with is that he said "fk the west".

 

[The Plug]

I have never understood the Mugabe love on this site.

I guess most are not really informed about who he was.

All they know/think and run with is that he said "fk the west".

I'm reading that dude allowed his army to kill thousands of other Zimbabweans of a different political party/ tribe.

People are typing that Mugabe wouldn't have let this happen if he was still alive but his country was in a poor state when he was still alive.

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

I'm reading that dude allowed his army to kill thousands of other Zimbabweans of a different political party/ tribe.

The Gukurahundi

Mugabe was a scumbag. Pure and simple.

 

[Cynic]

Perhaps. But that's nothing more than excuses now. Most African leaders are incredibly short sighted.
Mugabe had ample opportunity to make the situation for Zim better. He should've seen the sanctions coming and prepared accordingly.
After he seized the farms, what did he do with them? He gave most of them to his flunkies, not to those that could work the farms. He also never subsidised the retaken fams.
Mugabe could've asked many other African leaders for help... he didn't.

Say what you want about Botswana situation. Here's a fact. Botswana at the time of its independence was the 2nd poorest country in the world.
Its leaders didn't whine and bytch about it.
They didn't appeal for aid (most of the time).
They made healthy, practical decisions for their economy and infrastructure.

Blaming the white man gets Africa, nowhere.
Good policymaking on infrastructure and economy is the only way to go.

He wanted to seize them the moment he came into power but they said it would endanger Mandelas campaign to make South Africa free.

His flunkies are the ones who got him in power so if he didn't placate. Them dudes would have taken him out.

The real issue is the UK/US reneged on their contract to supply Zimbabwe with capital for landaland

 

[ultraflexed]

Dumbass putting you on ignore

If you cant handle the truth..

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Can the ignorant stop grouping Africans as a whole because of the actions of one country?

Neighboring Bostwana in contrast is ran far, far better with the citizens having high levels of prosperity. It's all down to leadership and not individual populations.

Appealing to Black American farmers to do what? It wasn't a shortage of local labour just corruption and lack of skills AND HEAVY SANCTIONS... they took the farms back and didn't farm all of them but they were also basically blocked from world markets. Zimbabwe money had the highest inflation rate in the world. White supremacy is a global system. However that doesn't take away their responsibility. They failed. The military coup was probably western orchestrated and now they have paid the oppressors for stolen land.

If the Zimbabwean people stand for this then who are we to protest for them? This is where we are. You can't force anyone to stand up for themselves

Now your idea of appealing to Black American farmers wouldn't work because in theory they would be coming there to govern over the locals which is still a problem. These people should have been competent enough to sustain their own agriculture production. They have failed in many ways.

You must not understand, the global system of white supremacy is the current system. It don't just work like, let's do things as we did before the white man because his system is imprinted all in your ish. Even in North Korea, it is. The only places not impacted by the white supremacists reject modern living in 2020. In order to go back to 1400, you gotta have 1400 power and allies which we do not have anywhere at this time.

Why don't Black Americans just start over and work with each other? You can't say things you don't even practice and if you tried you will quickly figure out why it doesn't work. I don't really understand why this is so hard for you to understand. The entire reason why African nations could be rebellious against the white supremacists was due to Gaddafi and being on his good side. You notice, since he died, Africa is a giant shythole with some potential for outsiders like you and me. Gaddafi was the most powerful man in Africa and carrying Pan Africanism since whites let him keep his wealth until they no longer wanted to anymore.

Where are those communities today? Black WallStreet. Bombed, burned down, massacred, and haven't recovered since. Sounds like Africa but it hasn't recovered in 500 years since the Europeans did it to them. You really need to get a grip. There isn't this world that on some level you escape the white supremacist in a system of white supremacy.

Who is the African military that can fight against any European power much less NATO, and the US? Who? These countries got military bases all in Africa. nikka, have you ever decided to research before you talk? This nikka must think it's still 1300. You must be waiting for Wakanda.

Much respect to all of you guys for educating me in here.

A lot of times, us Americans need to educate ourselves on the continent before just calling Africans c00ns.

I admit I've done it before without fully understanding the whole story

 

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