Reparations: Zimbabwe Signs A $3.5 Billion Compensation Deal With White Farmers

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Questions from the average know nothing about Africa negro:

Zimbabwe has been financially sanctioned for decades. They are unable to access funds on global financial markets, barely receive foreign investment, and can’t float bonds to fund internal projects. They are extending this is it a condition to remove sanctions. White people stay on CODE.

I get why everyone’s upset but ask why your black community/country did not come to Zimbabwe’s aid and stay on code with them. White people and white countries stay on code, black people will shout “hey look at Zimbabwe!” And then abandon them after the act. It is what it is.

Answers from an African, I don't know from where:

Note: I must point out that the "CODE" that you speak of comes from Nelly Fuller Junior's Compensatory Code Book which was meant to be strictly applied in the US context since that's all he knows. As for the "white people" they have more than a code...they have a goal. Their goal, in the geopolitical arena, is to attain complete global primacy and dominance.

The question here is what was Zimbabwe's goal? What was their direction? What about OUR generation of Africans? Investment is needed, but I think it's fair for the African groups of investors overseas and in African nations to know what kinds of returns to expect.

I will agree with you that if one does not invest in African solutions, one cannot complain about African problems.

 

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I’m confused. Every time there’s news about Zimbabwe, I find myself repeating the same fact: There ARE qualified black farmers (the black farm managers that worked alongside the white farmers) they just didn’t receive any land because of corruption and favoritism according to documentaries on the subject.

Why not just give the qualified black farmers the land???

My knowledge of the situation is limited.

Is there a reason they couldn’t give the land to the qualified black farmers, now?
Did the settlement have something to do with what they did to the white farmers being a human rights violation (that they were being sanctioned for)?
Did the white farmers buy the land or did they steal it?

Response:

You should be confused, whites British settlers in Zim have run an international campaign to assassinate the image and character of Zimbabwe to make them look like holier than thou white saviors of Africa, and Zimbabweans like ruthless monsters.

Black farmers did get land, incompetence of government failed to give them titles because it required almost 6 years of re-surveying the land which didn't happen until the 2010s. Without title, no loans from banks so didn't matter how good you could farm you could not get farm loans. No loans you are going to be doing very limited farming, you can essentially buy no equipment.

Sanctions made it hard to buy equipment because China had not yet emerged (in the 1990s when the reforms took place) as a reliable exporter of good farm equipment and Western nations sanctioned Zim and blocked the import of most farm equipment out of spite and hate.

Officially, I believe the white nations lied and claimed that the sanctions had nothing to do with white farmers and they claimed: "general corruption" in Zimbabwe and "lack of democracy" in that the Mugabe had cracked down on the MDC a party created by white farmers to remove Mugabe but using black front people like Morgan Tsvangirai, who was found on his death to have been incredibly corrupt and receiving payments/bribes from Western nations as he had millions of dollars and luxury cars/vehicles stashed up yet he never came close to earning (officially) over $75k on any tax return.

"Is there a reason they couldn’t give the land to the qualified black farmers, now?"
They did, white nations sanctioned black farmers to try to ensure their failure in the 1990s. Since then China emerged and black farmers have done business with them and export more now than white farmers ever did. White farmers were not the success the propaganda movies make you believe. They received generous state aid, only cultivated 2-3% of all the lands they possessed, and relied on UN food aid during the Rhodesia years (when the white dictator ruled). Despite all the sabotage, having smaller farmers, a restricted market, economic sanctions, lack of title, being blocked from importing Western farm equipment, etc. they still export more than the whites ever did. Proving you can never truly keep a good black person down.

"Did the settlement have something to do with what they did to the white farmers being a human rights violation (that they were being sanctioned for)?"

The proposed compensation is allegedly for white farmers who bought and invested equipment, machines, tractors, etc. in Zimbabwe. White Zimbabweans were never victims of any human rights violations, however, they did perpetuate many human rights violations, crimes against humanity and acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing against Native Zimbabweans they were never held to account for.

The argument goes that while whites stole the land they did not steal the machines, equipment etc. they lost on the land when evicted by Natives so they are owed for that.

"Did the white farmers buy the land or did they steal it?"

Zimbabwe never had white farmers, whites refused to farm and would pay blacks the equivalent of a nickel or a dime a day to do all the farm work and farm management. The Natives did not want to work for the whites, so the whites realized the only way the could force the Natives to work for such low amounts was to steal all their arable land (Even though they had no way to actually work the vast majority of it), stick them in semi-desert areas and then suddenly the nickel a day don't look so bad. The whites merely owned the land via mass land theft and invasions between the 1890s to 1970s. Whites in Africa never bought anything from Natives during this period and stole the world over.

There were a handful of multinationals and whites who came into Zimbabwe in the 1990s or 80s and bought land lawfully, but they number less than 100 and were not subject to land reformation.

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

My god African presidents are fukking stupid and weak. Republics suck. Bring back monarchies.

Zanu-PF need to be burned and its member dragged out on the streets and flooged.

 

[loyola llothta]

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

Can the ignorant stop grouping Africans as a whole because of the actions of one country?

Neighboring Bostwana in contrast is ran far, far better with the citizens having high levels of prosperity. It's all down to leadership and not individual populations.

Botswana is an African country ran right.

If a country like Nigeria was running the same way as Botswana, it would be a world power. Don't believe me. Let's use GDP per capita as a measure of how well a country is run (not perfect but still).
Nigeria's Population - ~206 million
Botswana GDP per capita - $7,859

206 million x 7859 = Nigeria would have a nominal GDP of ~1.62 trillion dollars making it a top 20 economy.

 

[King Ming]

So Zimbabweans repossessed what was rightly theirs, then due to Cacs (US, UK etc) pressure and sanctions they decide to pay the land thieves for stealing the land in the first place?

African politicians are the worst!

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

So instead of appealing to black farmers in other black countries or appealing to black american farmers, they do this?

If minorities can run Africa, I really do think it might be possible for black americans to take over the levers of power in the US.

Many African el presidentes are such short term thinkers. They suck.

 

[loyola llothta]

So Zimbabweans repossessed what was rightly theirs, then due to Cacs (US, UK etc) pressure and sanctions they decide to pay the land thieves for stealing the land in the first place?

African politicians are the worst!

Not only that. Probably got more fuk'd up policy we dont know yet

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

The only mistake Mugabe made was not preparing black Zimbabweans to run large modern commercial farms.

I mostly agree. Mugabe is a fukking clown.

 

[Primetime]

Ask some cubans about Fidel ....

You have people who's indoctrinated and you have people willing to sell out the home country. For everytime they talk about Mugabe, ask them to show proof. Ask them about the sanctions and the US freezing account of the nation in 2000





Zimbabwe Under Mugabe:

• Infant mortality: 86 to 49 per 1000
• live births under 5 mortality: 128 to 58 per 1000
• live births immunization: 25% to 80%
• Child malnutrition: 22% to 12%
• life expectancy: 56 to 64 yrs
• literacy rate: 98%
• HIV/AIDS cut in half https://panafricanalliance.com/robert-mugabe/

Cotdamn...

 

[Primetime]

@#1 pick edumacating muthafukkas in here

 

[King Ming]

Botswana is an African country ran right.

If a country like Nigeria was running the same way as Botswana, it would be a world power. Don't believe me. Let's use GDP per capita as a measure of how well a country is run (not perfect but still).
Nigeria's Population - ~206 million
Botswana GDP per capita - $7,859

206 million x 7859 = Nigeria would have a nominal GDP of ~1.62 trillion dollars making it a top 20 economy.

Not a good comparison... Botswana has a population of about 2 million, discovered minerals when the colonialists had bounced. Zim, Nigeria and most of the other Africn countries had been looted and left in disarray when the colonialists left in the mid 60s

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

Not a good comparison... Botswana has a population of about 2 million, discovered minerals when the colonialists had bounced. Zim, Nigeria and most of the other Africn countries had been looted and left in disarray when the colonialists left in the mid 60s

Perhaps. But that's nothing more than excuses now. Most African leaders are incredibly short sighted.
Mugabe had ample opportunity to make the situation for Zim better. He should've seen the sanctions coming and prepared accordingly.
After he seized the farms, what did he do with them? He gave most of them to his flunkies, not to those that could work the farms. He also never subsidised the retaken fams.
Mugabe could've asked many other African leaders for help... he didn't.

Say what you want about Botswana situation. Here's a fact. Botswana at the time of its independence was the 2nd poorest country in the world.
Its leaders didn't whine and bytch about it.
They didn't appeal for aid (most of the time).
They made healthy, practical decisions for their economy and infrastructure.

Blaming the white man gets Africa, nowhere.
Good policymaking on infrastructure and economy is the only way to go.

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Here’s the real issue .They took over the land years ago . They had 20 years to make their move. Mugabe just continued to enrich himself and his people . This is a Hail Mary for Zimbabwe to try to claw itself back .

Place your blame in the right direction.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

One of the worst policy decisions of all time. Mugabe wanted to "redistribute" the land to his supporters but mainly succeeded in collapsing the economy and domestic agriculture. Production dropped 60-80% in most areas, to the extent that current leadership has been begging these white farmers to come back. Something that many are understandably not too keen on doing.

Mugabe fumbled the whole thing but I won't absolve the world of putting sanctions on the country

even if they had handled it well they would still have been black listed on world markets.