Reparations need to be THE issue for African Americans by the 2018/2020 elections
- Thread starter Reality
- Start date
Bro I respect that you're taking your time to make your argument instead of just throwing ridiculous name calling like c00n, etc..
Here is my take
A lot of your points you assume whites or other races don't have bad things happen to them (wrongful conviction, etc...). That is not a black issue to me. Thats happens and is unfortunate.
There is a exception to every single rule. IF you are upstanding and hard working this is very unlikely to happen to you. Thats just the truth.
Secondly again I never said blacks are not treated unfairly in certain regards. As I stated earlier 99% of this (in my opinion) is fueled by not racism but stereotypes and negative racial perceptions.
Looking at the crime (Chicago, Baltimore many many cities with 3rd world level of violence every single day). If you do not think this culture feeds into a negative perception of blacks than you are sadly mistaken.
Just like when that Uber driver news broke, I was 90% sure that guy was white (And he was). When there is a mass school shooting or similar (even folks here at the coli before the identity is known says oh you know they are white).
Every race every gender every class of ppl have perceptions. And blacks (because of our horrible culture) has the worst perception in America (perceived as lazy, violent, and race baiting whiners).
So of course it will play into almost every aspect of life for all blacks (looking for jobs, etc...)
Be honest with yourself you hear blacks from all walks of life complain about the same issues with ignorant violent blacks as you hear white people complain about as well. We have major major problems in our community.
I bet you wouldn't feel safe moving to the worst neighborhood in Chicago? I bet you wouldn't move there. It isn't because of white ppl. I bet you couldn't name a white city that has 40-50 shootings in one damn weekend? The top 100 most violent cities in America have one thing in common. A large portion of blacks living there.
Again, everything you know about how bad our black culture is in America (fatherless kids, lack of education, dropouts, crime, violence)
Affects how we are perceived by corporate America, by cops and everyday white, asian, Chinese whatever.
If we really want change and improvement, we have to stop blaming everybody else. Stop blaming sh*T that didn't happen to us directly (happened decades and centuries ago).
Last edited:
If blacks improved our culture. Modeled after the Asian community for example (where faith, morals and education and hard work are highly valued and expected). We'd be in a much better place in this country.
It'll be easier to find jobs, because folks would see Blacks as smart, hard working people. We'd be treated better by cops, because they wouldn't look at us and almost expect violence or be scared of us.
Every aspect of how we are viewed in treated in America would be 1000x better if we vastly improved our culture.
Its easy to just (instead of looking in the mirror and putting the responsibility on us to improve our circumstance) to whine and blame white people.
Oh they just hate us. Or they just wanted to hold the black man down.
Thats easy and don't get us anywhere.
I guarantee 90% of blacks who are upper class and highly successful (discounting rich for sports or music/entertainment) that they follow the tenants of what I'm talking about in how they became successful (hard working, following the law, and education).
I don't know how you all can disagree with that.
It'll be easier to find jobs, because folks would see Blacks as smart, hard working people. We'd be treated better by cops, because they wouldn't look at us and almost expect violence or be scared of us.
Every aspect of how we are viewed in treated in America would be 1000x better if we vastly improved our culture.
Its easy to just (instead of looking in the mirror and putting the responsibility on us to improve our circumstance) to whine and blame white people.
Oh they just hate us. Or they just wanted to hold the black man down.
Thats easy and don't get us anywhere.
I guarantee 90% of blacks who are upper class and highly successful (discounting rich for sports or music/entertainment) that they follow the tenants of what I'm talking about in how they became successful (hard working, following the law, and education).
I don't know how you all can disagree with that.
I ask this question every time and I never get an answer, how much do you lot expect to get?
Will this money be subtracted from the number received from families currently collecting govt checks?
I think free education is fair. You weed out and really educate a population that was held back rather than throwing money at a fair amount of incompetent people that will squander it and put it right back into the hands of cacs.
Will this money be subtracted from the number received from families currently collecting govt checks?
I think free education is fair. You weed out and really educate a population that was held back rather than throwing money at a fair amount of incompetent people that will squander it and put it right back into the hands of cacs.
Before the defeatists come in and say it CAN'T happen, let me pre-empt you and say that this should still be THE cause we lobby for regardless of outcome. It's time to AT LEAST normalize the discussion, and to steer the conversation away from slavery (opponents like to focus on this in order to deflect arguments in favor to reparations saying it was too long ago, too hard to tell who was impacted, etc), and focus on the discrimination done in the last 100 years.
So, what are the reparations for?
1. Institutionalized, systemic racism ignored if not condoned by the US government:
- Redlining enabled by the National Housing Act of 1934; enabled banks to develop maps that would "color code" certain neighborhoods in 240 cities in the US. Incidentally, African American neighborhoods were "red lined", meaning no lending money could flow into those areas for home ownership or small businesses
- This lead to "contract lending" in these neighborhoods...an especially predatory lending scheme in which blacks had to pay much more to purchase a home. and NEVER ACTUALLY OWNING THE DEED FOR THE HOME.
- MOST of the disparity in household wealth between African Americans and white Americans (the average white household has 20 times the wealth of the average African American household) is due to AAs being cut off from home ownership, which has been the main method of building wealth in the US
2. 400 Years of slavery: Trillions of dollars worth of labor STOLEN from blacks...most of us are familiar with this
- "Of the first 67,000 mortgages insured by the G.I. Bill, fewer than 100 were taken out by non-whites"
- The bill was passed so that the program was administrated by LOCAL governments...in the fukking 1950s
; the same local governments that blacks were barred from electing
What we want (Broadly...let's discuss)
*subsidized post-secondary education for African Americans
*low interest loans for African American businesses
*government sponsored loans for low interest loans for qualifying first time black home-buyers
How we do it
*secure pledges from state and nationally elected representatives to support pathfinding for a reparations program and hold them to it. No pledge, no donations. No pledge, no vote. Pledge with no action? Primary opponent. Peep the way Hillary's been angling for the black vote...we need to take advantage of that.
This will put the onus on the representatives to make the case to white people in the same way that they have for gay marriage, etc.
Now, many of you will say, "Oh this means Republicans will take over everything" to which I respond...OK, so what's the difference? The status quo for African Americans in this country is unacceptable, and I honestly think Republicans winning races that Democrats would otherwise win would not mean much more harm to the black community in the grand scheme of things.
Anyway, wanted to hash out some thoughts and share with the hope that we can keep this in TLR, maybe even stickied.
I'll follow up with some articles that make the case particularly well...
You'll bankrupt the economy ...... the issue with giving reparations to a majority consumer/scholar segment
is that revenue will flow right back into the state's hands.......so what have you really achieved ?
Except creating more profits for white businesses ?
Cac civilians are still the majority and won't support this move.....
Dis associative hispanics will not support this move......
So whose left ? We have no economic leverage....not even population wise
Drop this hand-out mentality and give yourself reparations.....
Let this outdated philosophy go.....you won't shame cacs to support your advancement
They don't give a f*ck about you and never will......
All that black issues sh!t is just a good PR move for liberals
and justification for racist conservatives who think we're lazy
Again......
They don't give a f*ck about you and never will
Last edited:
Nashlyenin
Rookie
I think if the Jews were able to get reparations from Swiss banks to the tune of $1.25 Billion not to mention the reparations they already received from Germany after WW2 on the grounds of slave labour, suffering etc Blacks in America should too. Now granted the true survivors didn't see most of that money it was the Jewish institutions (CROOKS) that basically hoovered up all the dough. I don't know if every african american will be able to get a pay out that would be worth it, It would be better to set up a fund to put into communitites. At the end of the day, the US government aint gunna play ball.
i'll ask you one last time. what do you know about human psychology?
you said stop blaming ish that didnt happen to us directly. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SLAVERY, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO BLACK PEOPLE TODAY... YOU HEAR THAT. TOOOOODAYYYYYYYY.
You must not understand how generational wealth is created or not created. one way is to get rid of the man in the house. you do that in a society that says women get paid less than men even for the same job and odds are you will never have the kind of wealth you could have. and thats just simple math. I just showed you how they have strategically Targeted blacks specifically black boys, young men, etc. why target them? If you cut the head off..the body will die.
Why do you think chi town dudes are thugging it up? the same reasons the gangs in the 90's were thuggin it up.
If you keep killing a people, you keep harming them over and over and over again. it will affect them mentally. everyone is not built the same way mentally. MOST PEOPLE are not super strong mentally. black people are pretty darn tough dealing with the stuff we have dealt with and for us not to all go jump off a bridge is amazing. but a lot of actually do jump off bridges, we just do it in slow motion(choosing the street life).
but i showed you above how that happens. if i'm a 8 year old, and my schools suck, and my teachers suck, an its all by design. the odds are(this is just the math of it all) will say i'm going to end up becoming a drop out. the moment that happens its prettty much a wrap for me. i will be a jailbird at that point or just homeless.
but what caused that? it wasnt black people. it wasnt me. i was 8 years old.
Who placed a bunch of people in a situation where there is little to no work around their neighborhoods. therefore tossing a bunch of flat broke people all into a bowl together. if you do that anywhere, in a inner city you will have a situation similar to what you see in our communities. especially when you take into account the racism that goes on even for those that are not involved in the streets.
what you dont realize is that racism white supremacy actually holds us all back, including whites. but they dont know that.
you bring up these superstar types in your first post (doctors, etc). i've said this before. if you find a superstar doctor thats black and he's/she's making x amt of dollars. if he she were white. they would be making a lot more money and would have even more access.
when you see a white guy that is a hustler/hard worker and is super smart with good ideas. he ends up becoming a billionaire. not a millionaire. a billionaire.
when you see a black guy thats a hustler, hard worker, smart, with good ideas. he ends up at best becoming a millionaire.
oprah was one that broke the mold. but look at what she had to do. sacrifice having a family. look at the white billionaires. pretty much all of them have been married and had children.
DO you not see the kind of setup we're in? even when we win, we have to go 3 times as hard and even then we wont be awarded at the same rate as whites on average. most people black or white are not barn to be super hustlers, or super smart. thats just the reality. if you take racism out of the equation.
you would have a lot white people Lose jobs, lose high salary paying jobs. and a lot of them would be in jail. a lot of us would be free from jail and a lot of us would get big raises and get promotions.
then you would see a society where it would be a mixed group of people at the top, in the middle and at the bottom. you want me to stop blaming white people. tell them to stop EFFIN with me. Until then. I'll never blame the victim and always blame the oppressor.
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
stealthbomber
cruising at 30,000
shoot me a cool 100k and im good
i like the idea of reparations but its not a defeatist attitude to say it's extremely unlikely it will ever happen
if a real push for things like in the op were to happen i could get behind it... nikka got pay back these school loans
i like the idea of reparations but its not a defeatist attitude to say it's extremely unlikely it will ever happen
if a real push for things like in the op were to happen i could get behind it... nikka got pay back these school loans
The new party has to be UNAPOLOGETICALLY African. And that would mean no open arms for liberals, bi-racials, c00ns, conservative blacks, etc. No fem or LGBT issues on the forefront. It would be extremely hard to find enough black people that simply aren't afraid to openly join such a party. They still have to work and live amongst/under whites which is the greater issue at hand... man, it would be really tough to get a real party going for our very best interests.We don't have the organizational discipline to pull this off by 2018/20. We're still cuffed to the Democrats. We'd need a third party to rally behind in order to leverage our votes. The Democrats know we aren't voting Republican. We'd basically have to sit out elections. There needs to be a third party that could unite the left. The problem is the LBGT, feminists, and liberal whites would have to align themselves with said party and our cause. They might show up to some BLM protests but how would they react to us getting subsidized/free higher education, low interest loans, and housing subsidies? They either wouldn't support it or we'd see a whole bunch of Rachel Dolezals and Shaun Kings trying to get in on the action
How would the right wing, Bible belt cacs react
We need to focus on organizing internally, becoming more disciplined economically, and educating ourselves. Once we can do this and become a unified force we'll have the power to make demands. Sadly we're not close to being there yet.
Before the defeatists come in and say it CAN'T happen, let me pre-empt you and say that this should still be THE cause we lobby for regardless of outcome. It's time to AT LEAST normalize the discussion, and to steer the conversation away from slavery (opponents like to focus on this in order to deflect arguments in favor to reparations saying it was too long ago, too hard to tell who was impacted, etc), and focus on the discrimination done in the last 100 years.
So, what are the reparations for?
1. Institutionalized, systemic racism ignored if not condoned by the US government:
- Redlining enabled by the National Housing Act of 1934; enabled banks to develop maps that would "color code" certain neighborhoods in 240 cities in the US. Incidentally, African American neighborhoods were "red lined", meaning no lending money could flow into those areas for home ownership or small businesses
- This lead to "contract lending" in these neighborhoods...an especially predatory lending scheme in which blacks had to pay much more to purchase a home. and NEVER ACTUALLY OWNING THE DEED FOR THE HOME.
- MOST of the disparity in household wealth between African Americans and white Americans (the average white household has 20 times the wealth of the average African American household) is due to AAs being cut off from home ownership, which has been the main method of building wealth in the US
2. 400 Years of slavery: Trillions of dollars worth of labor STOLEN from blacks...most of us are familiar with this
- "Of the first 67,000 mortgages insured by the G.I. Bill, fewer than 100 were taken out by non-whites"
- The bill was passed so that the program was administrated by LOCAL governments...in the fukking 1950s
What we want (Broadly...let's discuss)
*subsidized post-secondary education for African Americans
*low interest loans for African American businesses
*government sponsored loans for low interest loans for qualifying first time black home-buyers
How we do it
*secure pledges from state and nationally elected representatives to support pathfinding for a reparations program and hold them to it. No pledge, no donations. No pledge, no vote. Pledge with no action? Primary opponent. Peep the way Hillary's been angling for the black vote...we need to take advantage of that.
This will put the onus on the representatives to make the case to white people in the same way that they have for gay marriage, etc.
Now, many of you will say, "Oh this means Republicans will take over everything" to which I respond...OK, so what's the difference? The status quo for African Americans in this country is unacceptable, and I honestly think Republicans winning races that Democrats would otherwise win would not mean much more harm to the black community in the grand scheme of things.
Anyway, wanted to hash out some thoughts and share with the hope that we can keep this in TLR, maybe even stickied.
I'll follow up with some articles that make the case particularly well...
Respect. I agree, except that I want a check. Education guarantees nothing. If I get a large enough check, my destiny is in my hands. Straight investments and businesses. I also like the housing voucher idea. Property taxes would probably eat the foolish alive, but the smart would be good.
MrPentatonic
Superstar
With no organisation, economic and political clout, I don't see how this is feasible right now.
We are trying to ask for money from an institution that has been exacting racial genocide on us?
Whose protectors are still shooting us down dead in the streets with no indictments?
We have more pressing matters at hand imo.
I'm not against it but right now it's Wishful thinking.
We are trying to ask for money from an institution that has been exacting racial genocide on us?
Whose protectors are still shooting us down dead in the streets with no indictments?
We have more pressing matters at hand imo.
I'm not against it but right now it's Wishful thinking.
Last edited:
Born2BKing
Veteran
You killed your own argumentBreh you do realize the US is trillions in debt right? They have no money to give is in the first place. Secondly blacks literally 30 years out of slavery were able to built one of the most successful neighborhoods in the country(Greenwood, OK aka black wall street) WITHOUT reparations. There were more black wall streets but jealous whites destroyed them. If blacks literally a couple decades out of one of the worst events in world history can create successful neighborhoods, we modern day blacks can too.