Remember what JJ Redikk said about Plumbers and Firemen?

[duckbutta]

Did between the legs and behind the back dribbles not exist until the 1980's or something

There is a DISTURBING amount of players in these clips he just dribble all the way to the rim with they left or right hand only

Was it against the rules or some shyt

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Why hasn't the NBA snatched you up? Let you produce some of these videos and throw them on NBATV to celebrate the past.

You know why. The league pretends it didn't exist pre-Magic/Bird

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

based off what wilt routinely shot under 50 % from the free through line in his own era he going to magically turn into a above average 3 point shooter

Giannis is a more perimeter oriented player with insane work ethic can't developed an above average 3 point shoot

Giannis isn't and never has been as skilled as Wilt Chamberlain, so I don't accept the comparison.

Wilt wouldn't magically turn into an above-average three-point shooter; if you bring him into this era and he understands that he needs to work on that part of his game, though, I think he could do it. Or more accurately, if you get him when he starts playing ball and develop him into a pro in this era, he could do it. Athletes at the very top of the chain can do anything they're asked to focus on. I'm sure if Wilt really focused on FTs, he could shoot them at a 70% clip or whatever. I'm sure the counter-point there is Shaq, but I don't want to hear anything about Giannis. "Perimeter-oriented" doesn't mean shyt when you have average footwork and no consistent go-to moves out on the perimeter.

 

[krexzen]

IMO the 90's and 00's obsession with slow motion was a disservice to the players of the 60's and 70's.

 

[dantheman9758]

Did between the legs and behind the back dribbles not exist until the 1980's or something

There is a DISTURBING amount of players in these clips he just dribble all the way to the rim with they left or right hand only

Was it against the rules or some shyt

The mid 60's and early 70's players brought it with them to the NBA starting around the Dave Bing and Archie Clark draft classes, prior to them no it wasn't really done at the NBA level, at least not by any players that got any press. Throughout the vid you'll see a few guys do it and they are the mid 60's and up guys. It existed well before that but just wasn't done at the NBA level, I think the stigma of moves like that being showboating and not being an effective way to play stuck around whether true or not it had to be proven to work as a winning recipe before picked up kinda like 3 point shooting. Doesn't mean the older way of playing was ineffective though. West and Robertson were as simple and fundamental as it gets and West in particular was still torching guys with his simple moves well into the early 70's when the showier playstyle had changed around him. Some of the crossovers and flashy moves I have in the highlights are guys that people will never remember because they didn't make the impact West or Robertson made. Like Herm Gilliam and Phil Chenier. Not to take anything away from them, they were great in their own way. But people won't remember those names the way they remember West or Robertson so their playstyle gets forgotten as if nobody played that way back then and people will think the game was only played like West and Robertson played.

 

[dantheman9758]

Why hasn't the NBA snatched you up? Let you produce some of these videos and throw them on NBATV to celebrate the past.

I've helped with a few documentaries recently so we'll see, maybe I get more opportunities in the future. I did a bit of help in the Bill Russell doc on Netflix and there's a Wilt one coming out I did a lot more with

 

[The God Poster]

Bill Russell would be a multiple time DPOY if he played in this area...its like a combo of tyson Chandler and dennis rodman who could run the floor to start the break or finish..plus with legendary leadership intangibles

So a tall Draymond

 

[dantheman9758]

IMO the 90's and 00's obsession with slow motion was a disservice to the players of the 60's and 70's.

FACTS!

My friends used to tell me they used to think old football players played in slow motion like that was how things were back then. As dumb as that sounds if all you show people is things a certain speed or a certain way it's hard of not impossible for them to think those dudes might have been quick or fast or even just normal. I do my best to try to capture the action as if you're watching it courtside or on tv. I try to keep the slow mo stuff to a minimum.

 

[dantheman9758]

based off what wilt routinely shot under 50 % from the free through line in his own era he going to magically turn into a above average 3 point shooter

Giannis is a more perimeter oriented player with insane work ethic can't developed an above average 3 point shoot

I can't say how Wilt's skill would go today other than I'm sure there'd be differences in what he trained on. But I'll say his free throw percentage was a mental thing. He changed his form around drastically 3 times. Always shot over 85% in practice. Regardless of the form. He was a headcase, a lot of bigs are that way for some reason. Dwight and Shaq were that way I'm pretty sure. There's a million theories why but I don't think it necessarily boils down to shooting touch or skill because Wilt for example had a good fadeaway, top 3 in the league at the time he played and because of his size he could get it off without anyone being able to consistently challenge it, even Bill Russell only could get it if he gambled and overcommitted on a guess. If he or anyone guessed wrong they got yammed on.

 

[dantheman9758]

Its rep on sight for him

I actually couldnt rep him this time because I didnt rep enough people since the last time i repped him

This video is phenomenal. Gotta love Embiid talking about skills then bumbling a bounce pass to a stationary target right after

I didn't want to do that to Embiid - ngl his game is actually among top tier as a skilled big man all-time but I feel like if you're gonna judge them on clips that don't impress you how do your lowlights look? He talks about skill so here's you in your actual NBA skill challenge how'd you do? The NBA isn't good at showcasing their old talent. It doesn't mean their old talent wasn't good. The NBA just doesn't have a good PR team for them and tends to pick the first convenient black and white slow mo clip they can find and it's like an open jump shot or transition with no defender on the hip so they just go up straight with one hand the whole time. Rules makes their dribble look funny a lot too because they can't hesi with it. We always see the best plays from the best angles today and as we know they can do more so they have polished new moves not possible from back then. In that era only 1% of 1% of 1% of highlights exist on film. You gotta really hunt to find the varieties of clips that make you go ahhh, I get it now that player had some moves in their bag. I tried to put a good number of it in this video so people can see the collective basketball skill and knowledge back then was a lot bigger than most realize. It would take a lot to surprise those guys, there aren't many moves today that would be new to them and allowed by their eras refs. I don't buy that time travel blowing their minds idea.

 

[Still Benefited]

Fact 1: Players those days got measured for their height barefoot. Instead of today when they are measured with shoes on, which adds to their height. So by common NBA media logic, those "'6'8" centers would be 6'10 ft tall. Normal height for a Center in the modern NBA. Shaq is in fact 6'11 in real height

Fact 2: Wilt and Russell playing with short guys is in fact a myth. Here's a list of players in Wilt's era he played against 6'10 and up

Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2"
Dennis Awtrey: 6'11"
Walt Bellamy: 6'11"
Tom Boerwinkle: 7'0"
Nate Bowmen: 6'11"
Mel Counts: 7'0"
Walter Dukes: 7'0"
Jim Eakins: 6'11"
Ray Felix: 6'11"
Hank Finkel: 7'0"
Artis Gilmore: 7'2"
Swede Halbrook: 7'3"
Reggie Harding: 7'0"
Bob Lanier: 6'11"
Jim McDaniels: 6'11"
Otto Moore: 6'11"
Dave Newmark: 7'0"
Rich Niemann: 7'0"
Billy Paultz: 6'11"
Craig Raymond: 6'11"
Elmore Smith: 7'0"
Chuck Share: 6'11"
Ronald Taylor: 7'1"
Nate Thurmond: 6'11"
Walt Wesley: 6'11"

Fact 3: The low number of teams plays into Russell's advantage. The NBA in the 50s - early 70s had 1/3 of the numbers of players they do now. So the competition was stiffer. Ever seen the lineup in the all star games of those days? About 3 hall of famers on each team. Wilt would go against 3 hall of famers a night, no 90s Clippers type teams in that era. Imagine Durant, Wade, Kobe on the same team playing against Lebron, Carmelo, Chris Paul on another team

You think chuck taylors wouldve added 2 inches of height?

 

[Maximus]

Did between the legs and behind the back dribbles not exist until the 1980's or something

There is a DISTURBING amount of players in these clips he just dribble all the way to the rim with they left or right hand only

Was it against the rules or some shyt

The league was very strict on enforcing traveling and palming violations before the mid-1980's, hence why players didn't use fancy dribbles. They had to dribble top-to-bottom, never side-to-side or it was an automatic travel. And they were never allowed to take multiple steps without a dribble.

David Stern loosened up the traveling rules and allowed more crossovers(travels/palms) to make the game more aesthetically pleasing in an effort to boost ratings and it worked.

Some examples:

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

First things first, JJ Reddik is a fakkit. He was a nobody in his own era. Secondly, I got up to the part where Embiid is saying he'd dominate in the 70s. I'm sure he would dominate some players but let me ask this... Embiid is a guy who has routinely struggled in big spots against Al Horford. He's going to dominate Wilt and Russell? Who are better defensively than Al and who are more athletic than Al?

 

[Maximus]

By the way, Joel Embiid wouldn't be anywhere close to best player in the world in the '60s. He would be a shorter, weaker, fragile, injury-prone, whiny, less durable, bootlegged version of Warriors/Sixers era Wilt with better free throw shooting.

His shytty rebounding and shot-blocking would not be very valuable in an era where defense and playmaking was most valued, and I highly doubt he would be able to play the condensed schedule of the '60s with less rest time in between games and more back-to-back-to-backs than any other time in league history, given his inability to play 70 games in a season or get through a postseason without physically breaking down. So he should shut his mouth about that era.

Gilbert Arenas is a fukking clown as well -- and Green, Reddikk, JR Smith and the others aren't worthy of a proper reply.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Jerry West: "What did JJ's career look like? What did he do that determined games?"




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