Really dough, if you believe Outkast is the greatest group of all time.....

Gil Scott-Heroin · May 6, 2012

infamouswubird said:
lets take the 2 weakest members and ignore the other 7.. your post is weak sauce

"hold their own" is the keyword here. rae & ghost >>>>>>> *. and tahts just the obvious duo

cohesiveness isn't even a suitable argument due to it favouring outkast as there's only two of them and there's double digit wu numbers. and big boi and 3thou are basically the perfect example of yin and yang....

ZEB WALTON · May 6, 2012

81 >>> 100 said:
this reasoning didn't debunk one thing in my post, that you just quoted. wu tang ain't talented enough to pull off the subject matter outkast did. the only area wu has over outkast in the rap game is impact and influence... even that is arguable.

albums>>>>
progression>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
musicality >>>>>>>>>>
artistically>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
commercial success>>>>>>>>>>
subject matter>>>>>>>>>>
longevity>>>>>>>>>

albums? 36 chambers, cuban linx, liquid swords will all universally be known as better albums then kasts for many years. edit: ooooops... forgot SUPREME CLIENTELE.. lets add wu forever for good measure just cause as a double disk itll dump on kast

"musicality".. stupid ">>>>>>>". the rza set the standard for hip hop "music" for over 10 years.

artistically? really? ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>' that many?

commercial success... the fact that wu tang is a known name in the world for being a HARDCORE rap group only tells me they did much more than have commercial success.

subject matter? cream? tearz? impossible? i cant goto sleep? the rza in 1997 has more subject matter then outkast their whole careers. wjutang ruined their commercial career going "5%" on wu forever

longevity. wu tang isnt a name now. your acting like their BCC. wu tang is ingrained in our culture.

i love kast. they aint untouchable. wutang did more in their career, made bigger moves, had the bigger impact. if you deny it ya lying. kast just made good music. wutang influenced the classic music around them

hex · May 6, 2012

Karamu said:
only cacs like them

Most white people think "Stankonia" is their first album. C'mon now.

Fred.

Gil Scott-Heroin · May 6, 2012

infamouswubird said:
albums? 36 chambers, cuban linx, liquid swords will all universally be known as better albums then kasts for many years.

"musicality".. stupid ">>>>>>>". the rza set the standard for hip hop "music" for over 10 years.

artistically? really? ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>' that many?

commercial success... the fact that wu tang is a known name in the world for being a HARDCORE rap group only tells me they did much more than have commercial success.

subject matter? cream? tearz? impossible? i cant goto sleep? the rza in 1997 has more subject matter then outkast their whole careers

longevity. wu tang isnt a name now. your acting like their BCC. wu tang is ingrained in our culture.

i love kast. they aint untouchable. wutang did more in their career, made bigger moves, had the bigger impact. if you deny it ya lying. kast just made good music. wutang influenced the classic music around them

nikka cuban linx and liquid swords ain't collective wu tang albums.

musicality - outkast pushed the envelope musically more than wu tang ever did. it ain't even close.

wtf does "the fact that wu tang is a known name in the world for being a HARDCORE rap group only tells me they did much more than have commercial success." even mean....

to say that rza in 1997 has more subject matter than outkast their whole careers leads me to believe you have only heard a handful of kast songs.

longevity meaning as a collective how long they stayed relevant..... while outkast was getting bigger and bigger with each release... wu was getting :flabbynsick:

like i said before wu did have more impact than outkast, but that is mainly down to regional-inequality. outkast made bigger moves.... they pushed the envelope with each release.. they took 100000000000xxxx bigger risks than wu tang ever did.

Gil Scott-Heroin · May 6, 2012

hexagram23 said:
Most white people think "Stankonia" is their first album. C'mon now.

Fred.

one of the goat outkast stans.

:ahh:

Vagina Thief · May 6, 2012

I've never really listened to outkast... Anyone recommend me an album?

ZEB WALTON · May 6, 2012

81 >>> 100 said:
nikka cuban linx and liquid swords ain't collective wu tang albums.

musicality - outkast pushed the envelope musically more than wu tang ever did. it ain't even close.

wtf does "the fact that wu tang is a known name in the world for being a HARDCORE rap group only tells me they did much more than have commercial success." even mean....

to say that rza in 1997 has more subject matter than outkast their whole careers leads me to believe you have only heard a handful of kast songs.

longevity meaning as a collective how long they stayed relevant..... while outkast was getting bigger and bigger with each release... wu was getting

like i said before wu did have more impact than outkast, but that is mainly down to regional-inequality. outkast made bigger moves.... they pushed the envelope with each release.. they took 100000000000xxxx bigger risks than wu tang ever did.

this kids funny. he wants to list the success and dips into genres of 'outkast' (which includes andres NON HIP HOP solo/big boi solo) but cuban linx and liquid swords cant be used. wu logo on both those albums. 9 members on both those albums. rza produced both those albums. solos on there not by the leading artist... andre dont even have a solo but we can list him in the top 10 and all this crazy shyt but you cant list wu tang albums with the words "wutang" on them, as wu tang albums :birdman:

no, it leads me to believe youve never delved into the wu's catalog to know which songs are wu songs by putting a buncha fukkin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all over the place.

cause how doesnt wu have commercial success. how dont you understand making hardcore music doesnt translate to success and they still made it.

wu making pretty much pure hard core music wasnt a risk? they didnt do everything TOO as well. it cant even comapred because of the sheer numbers alone

Mike Statik · May 6, 2012

IMO

wu, epmd, mobb deep, heltah skeltah, dpg, atcq, de la, bone thugs >>>> outkast

hex · May 6, 2012

Vagina Thief said:
I've never really listened to outkast... Anyone recommend me an album?

hex · May 6, 2012

My favorite 3 groups all time is Wu, Outkast and De La Soul.

So I'm about as objective as you can get.

Wu did blow up off hard core rap....but NY based hard core rap was the norm in '93. Both "36 Chambers" and Outkast's first album went plat....which is a more feat impressive though?

Let's be real here, most people wasn't f*cking with the South in '94....NY booed 'kast in '95....so instead of looking at "Wu blew up off hard core rap" we need to look at "Outkast blew up at the same time in a NY-centric era, and changed their sound on each album". That's not necessarily a plus or minus for either group but we need to put sh*t into perspective.

I do count the Wu solos as Wu albums, because they feature the same people, and up to a point are all produced by Rza.

Wu's strength was building a foundation that to this day still exists....and I don't mean just the group, I mean the brand, the sound, impact, etc....they are basically rap's version of The Rolling Stones.

Outkast is the exact opposite. They didn't rely on one foundation or sound, they completely uprooted their sound 5x and started from scratch. The second Rza switched up (that Bob Digi sh*t) he lost fans.

To me, Outkast's career has been more impressive. What's funny is people say they crossed over, sold out, whatever on "The Love Below" (and I hate that album)....but who sounded like that at the time? It's easy to point fingers now, after the sh*t went diamond. But at the time it was so left field that Prince literally called up Andre like "the f*ck are you thinking?".

The same can be said for "Speakerboxxx". Any album that has songs like "Bust" and "The Rooster" on it definitely ain't trying to cross over. Not on purpose anyway.

Fred.

Gil Scott-Heroin · May 6, 2012

infamouswubird said:
this kids funny. he wants to list the success and dips into genres of 'outkast' (which includes andres NON HIP HOP solo/big boi solo) but cuban linx and liquid swords cant be used. wu logo on both those albums. 9 members on both those albums. rza produced both those albums. solos on there not by the leading artist... andre dont even have a solo but we can list him in the top 10 and all this crazy shyt but you cant list wu tang albums with the words "wutang" on them, as wu tang albums

no, it leads me to believe youve never delved into the wu's catalog to know which songs are wu songs by putting a buncha fukkin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all over the place.

cause how doesnt wu have commercial success. how dont you understand making hardcore music doesnt translate to success and they still made it.

wu making pretty much pure hard core music wasnt a risk? they didnt do everything TOO as well. it cant even comapred because of the sheer numbers alone

the love below = modern day prince influenced hip-hop.

im talkin actual wu discography vs outkast.... which means,

southernplaya, atliens, aqumeini etc etc vs 36 chambers, forever, the w, iron flag etc etc. but if you wanna play it like that we might as well chuck in every wu-tang member solo material as well.... tical 0: the prequal, mr xcitement, made in brooklyn, lex diamond story.... you should know by now where im going with this....

:rudy:

nikka i've listened to just about every single immediate wu-tang member release.

when the fukk did i say anything remotely to wu tang never had commercial success.... all i said was outkast had more commercial success than wu tang. ten fold.

once again when did i say wu tang never took risks.... all i said is that outkast took BIGGER risks... they switched their sound up every album.. wu tang didn't do that...... plus outkast made their albums more commercially-viable which made their switching up of sounds even more of a risk as it they left themselves open to public criticism and being labelled sellouts. which is probably the most amazing aspect of their music...selling more records with each successive record to eventually going diamond... all without selling out.

Gil Scott-Heroin · May 6, 2012

outkast = radiohead

JulesWinfield · May 7, 2012

81 >>> 100 said:
outkast = radiohead

i like that.

Gil Scott-Heroin · May 7, 2012

but if you think about it... in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really do both of them justice.

:manny:

JulesWinfield · May 7, 2012

i love outkast and see them as an entension of the funk passed down from da gawd george clinton. i support them no matter what because they choose to go outside the box and reinvent themselves like p-funk did.

Really dough, if you believe Outkast is the greatest group of all time.....

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