Reading that thread on the NOI and its obvious most of ya'll know nothing about the NOI

[Ron Fox]

Everything that you said makes a lot of sense and I never thought of it that way, but why didn't they just let the brother walk? It's not as if he was harming the NOI by leaving and doing his own thing. I believe that they were threatened by his brilliance and potential to become even bigger than the NOI. They weren't having that. They weren't going to let him fukk up their hustle. They didn't want anyone or anything bigger than the NOI. It's just all fukked up. I understand what you're saying, but I can't give them a pass on that. They murdered one of the most iconic and influential figures in Black history over jealousy and pride. He was killed by his own people. I don't think that it's comparable to The Mafia. I don't feel like Malcolm was a rat or a traitor. He just wanted to part ways and do his own thing because he witnessed the atrocities of NOI first hand.

I hear you. But again, you gotta come outside of your own feelings and see it for what it is. You said "I dont feel liek Malcolm was a traitor".....those are "your" feelings not the feelinsg of The NOI especially when Malcom said it himself he would put in work if anyone opposed Elijah Muhammad. You say he wasnt a traitor but the NOI did. You said why didnt they just let him walk and that he wanted to part ways but that house that was set on fire was owned by The NOI....he didnt just part ways when he was still living there. When Dr Dre left Death Row he said "You can have whats yours I'm out" Malcolm didnt do that...he was still in that house. Malcolm still wanted to preach in Harlem while it was hot. Aint no parting ways when u wanna preach in Harlem while its hot. Dude was trying to start his own organization in Harlem while it was hot. Malcolm knew The NOI got busy when in defiant of their leader and still stayed in the area.


Also, he did write Elijah muhammad after all the drama apologizing for his actions, this is well known. He aplogized and wanted to get back in Elijah Muhammads good graces. Wethere Elijah Muhahhamd got that letter is a mystery but he did write it. Why did Malcolm apologize if he felt he didnt do something wrong? Was it for protection? Was he really sincere? We'll never know but we do know he tried to get back in Elijah Muhammads good graces after all the drama. If he really wanted to "part ways" as u say he wouldnt have wrote that letter.


yes, I agree they murderd him over jealousy and pride. But in all honesty, that was the actions of a few. Remember the NOi lost membership after that so there was some love for Malcolm here and there by some NOI. Being ex communicated was one thing but I dont believe the sentiments of killing him were felt by everyone in The NOI....Muhammad Ali wasnt allowed to fukk with Malcolm cuz of ex communication but I seriously dont think he wanted him to be killed.

Muhammad Ali breaks it down here

 

[1 other person]

 

[Fade Runner 2049]

Partner with the FEDS and kill Malcolm X brehs

 

[SirReginald]

When this picture was posted on the NOI Facebook page:

...and Black men in the NOI started talking about how Kim is a Black woman because she's Armenian and Armenians were Black people who became white over time I knew all I needed to know then.

And shame on Kanye for parading his cavewoman in Black circles, and shame on Farrakhan for going against his word on interracial relationships.

Take your Black (divisive) feminist sh-t the f-ck outta here

 

[SirReginald]

OK well now lets really examine what u said about them killing Malcolm. Lets put our feelings to the side and really look at the situation. Now me personally, I really dont believe Elijah muhammad ordered any hit. I truly believe it was members who were just trying to put in work. Now remember, Malcolm said it himself if there was anyone who had spoke sideways about Elijah Muhammad he himself would have put that work in. Dudes were eyeing for that #1 spot and Malcolm was it. Malcolm set himself up with that "Chickens coming home to roost" shyt. He opened the door for the other members to say he was "defiant" even tho there was already tension. Once that door was open it was on. Malcolm said it himself, he denounced his own brother when he was put out of the NOI so it only made sense that members would get on some other shyt once Elijah Muhammad had disciplined malcolm for speaking when told not to speak. Even tho what Farrakhan said looked out of pocket, I have to agree with what he said about 'handling a traitor" again...malcolm was seen as being "defiant." He went on the whitemans media and spoke down on The NOI. He set himself up for the shytstorm. You go on the whitemans media and throw dirt on the image of the NOI, thats an invitation for the NOI to say u are the enemy now........Defiant member+ other members ready to put in that work for Elijah Muahhhamd = an understanding as to why they killed Malcolm. The mafia does the same thing so I do understand why it was done even tho that may sound fukked up.

What Malcolm should have done was flee like he fled from West Indian Archie. Harlem was too hot, he should have fled. King David in the Bible fled so why couldnt he flee?

You don't kill a man in front of his wife and kids. That sh-t is foul.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

As someone who was a member of the NOI and left because I got older and started to see life more realistic...I was reading that thread about the NOI recruiting and some of the responses just straight up told me ya'll know nothing about the NOI

I bet if I asked u how does one actually get into the NOI none of u could even tell me. But I'll tell you. First you have to go to C Class....Then when u are ready u go to A Class...Finally u have to write a letter to Chicago. Its a letter written by Elijah Muhammad and u have to right it exactly the way its written in the prototype they give u. If Chicago apporves, you change your last name to X and then u get watched for a period of time to where u can earn your name...most people get the name "Muhammad" This is basic knowledge. I'm reading some of the comments in that thread and most of the people in there sounded like "wanna be's." The pro Black jargon is so over the top on this site most of ya'll were just co signing bullsh*t and I have to call it. When I had mentioned in a previous thread that the NOi did business with the KKK some fukkboy mod gave me a low quality posting....why? Because I was telling truth and someone reported it? What kind of community does that? I challenge whoever that mod is to come in here and explain why me speaking on that was out of place. Show yourself! You see I'm not here to even bash the NOI because in all honesty some brothers go to prison and they can get support from the NOI. Some brothers just find confort in being in the NOI and who am I to disregard what makes someone fullfilled? Outside of that tho....I know for a fact that the NOI is only something u join if u really wanna be a Farrakhan follower.

Joining the NOI is not for someone seeking true Islam, you wanna be in the NOI? That means u wanna be a Farrakhan follower, bottom line. And thats where I drew the line. I was someone who actually attended the Million Man March and I can tell u that the march was not for Black people...It was for Farrakhans followers. It was him putting on a show for his followers, not Black people. Why u say that I ask? Well just tell me what u remember from that March..I'll wait. U see no one remembers what Farrakhan was talking about in that march. Well I do because I was a teen caught up in the spell. Yes, the spell. The mystical spell that had me and numerous Black people in America really believing Farrakhan was a prophet. Oh ya''ll dont remember when people were saying that in the 90's? I do..They were also saying Malchi Z York was a prophet...raise your hand if u remember that.

I bet if I ask you who is Farrakhans successor none of ya'll could tell me....But I'll tell you. Go to youtube and type in Nuri Muhammad...thats his successor. Most of ya'll never even been to a NOI mosque.

I'm gonna end it on this note. I look at Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar and Farrakhan all the same...Religious hustlers and I'm no player hater. I'm cool with a hustler getting his paper. I dont look down on religious hustlers because they atleast give a sense of hope in return. They know most people are mystified in religion so why not take advantage.


In Farrakahns case...He told on himself once he started pushing Scientology on his followers. Now me, I understand how a hustler moves and I know he did that because the well had runneth dry and he needed funding for that 20 year anniversary of the Million Man March. So he made a deal behind the scenes, I promote ya'll and u pay us to promote ya'll again, I'm no player hater, get that paper. Just dont tell me you aint hustling because I know a hustler when I see one.


I remember when Farrakhan used to tell Black people about UFOs. He still telling Black folks about UFOs in this decade. U see thats how the con man works you, say some over the top shyt and if they believe it, you got them. Once u got them u can pull them in and get what u really want out of them, wether its cash or energy. Me, personally I'm sitting here wondering why those UFOs couldnt help his homie Gaddafi? What good is all that UFO talk if Black folks are still fukked up down here on Earth. You notice Tariq Nasheed nor Curtis Sc00n nor Boyce Watkins or any of these enlighten brothers ever mention UFO's? Yeah its because that old school way of scaring Black folks into believing over the top mystical shyt is dead. Ask yourself this question...is this what Black folks need to be hearing in 2017? Listen to this and make yoru own conclusion

i will tell you one thing i definitely remember at the march..

farrakhan telling everyone there to put one dollar in the air... then sending his crew to collect from everyone out there.. now i know i personally saw some nikkas holding up 5s, 10s, 20s... and there was more than 1 million people out there that day. i think it was closer to 1.5 breh made off with a killing. at the LEAST, a couple hundred grand... maybe even passing a million... in CASH... probably unreported


and black america ain't see a dime of that turned around to us... even as a young kid there, when he did that, i knew it was all about the money

 

[Ron Fox]

You don't kill a man in front of his wife and kids. That sh-t is foul.

In that documentary Cocaine Cowboys do u not remember that scene where they killed the husband and wife and left the little kids to play with the dead bodies?


I say that to say this......Do you really expect a hitman to have moral scruples?

 

[Dad]

I got questions , I apologize if they come off ignorant but I'm seriously curious

C to A class - how many times a week is it (seriously is there a B class)?

can I get a short answer on the alien theory

God forbid something happens to Farrakahn, who's next in line? Under the new leadership, will there be changes?

Is NOI members consider it a "religion"?

 

[AlainLocke]

If you join an organization and there is a leader, you are being exploited...

 

[Ron Fox]

i will tell you one thing i definitely remember at the march..

farrakhan telling everyone there to put one dollar in the air... then sending his crew to collect from everyone out there.. now i know i personally saw some nikkas holding up 5s, 10s, 20s... and there was more than 1 million people out there that day. i think it was closer to 1.5 breh made off with a killing. at the LEAST, a couple hundred grand... maybe even passing a million... in CASH... probably unreported


and black america ain't see a dime of that turned around to us... even as a young kid there, when he did that, i knew it was all about the money

LOL.....I actually asked the question to see if anyone really did remember anything Farrakhan said. I was a teen so me I do remember a bunch of things but the one thing that stood out was when he said to go back to our areas and refine. I was so caught up in the spell I actually believed shyt would change in the streets. 2 years later Bloods took over NYC and the hood was worshipping 2pacs spirit more then they were listening to Farrakhan. 5 years later when the Million Family March came around it was the same thing.Bloods were still in my city and popping up all over other cities in America and the hood was still worshipping 2Pacs spirit over following Farrakhan.

Its funny that as a young kid thats what u remembered.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

i will tell you one thing i definitely remember at the march..

farrakhan telling everyone there to put one dollar in the air... then sending his crew to collect from everyone out there.. now i know i personally saw some nikkas holding up 5s, 10s, 20s... and there was more than 1 million people out there that day. i think it was closer to 1.5 breh made off with a killing. at the LEAST, a couple hundred grand... maybe even passing a million... in CASH... probably unreported


and black america ain't see a dime of that turned around to us... even as a young kid there, when he did that, i knew it was all about the money

I was there and I remember that

 

[Ron Fox]

I got questions , I apologize if they come off ignorant but I'm seriously curious

C to A class - how many times a week is it (seriously is there a B class)?

can I get a short answer on the alien theory

God forbid something happens to Farrakahn, who's next in line? Under the new leadership, will there be changes?

Is NOI members consider it a "religion"?

I'm going off the head from how they did it in the mid 90's.......Everyone starts at C class.....You have up to 6 months to rid yourself of the old habits of the outside world. If you show promise within those 6 months you move up to A class but in between you practice writting your letter to Chicago. There is no B Class but there is an F Class. Thats for people who do some shyt they aint supposed to like getting caught doing dope or committing crimes. When Malcolm was ex communicated he was in F Class.



The mothership was allegedly created by advanced Black people on Earth many moons ago not aliens. On that ship the occupants have the ability to read minds of regular humans, so they can read my thoughts and yours this very second. Elijah Muhammad is not dead...he's actually alive on the mother plane right now according to Farrakhan. When the fall of America finally arrives the motherplane will pop out and completely destroy America with bombs.

Nuri Muhammad is the best candidate for Farrakhans successor and the NOI is considered to be more of a "Movement."

 

[Dad]

I'm going off the head from how they did it in the mid 90's.......Everyone starts at C class.....You have up to 6 months to rid yourself of the old habits of the outside world. If you show promise within those 6 months you move up to A class but in between you practice writting your letter to Chicago. There is no B Class but there is an F Class. Thats for people who do some shyt they aint supposed to like getting caught doing dope or committing crimes. When Malcolm was ex communicated he was in F Class.



The mothership was allegedly created by advanced Black people on Earth many moons ago not aliens. On that ship the occupants have the ability to read minds of regular humans, so they can read my thoughts and yours this very second. Elijah Muhammad is not dead...he's actually alive on the mother plane right now according to Farrakhan. When the fall of America finally arrives the motherplane will pop out and completely destroy America with bombs.

Nuri Muhammad is the best candidate for Farrakhans successor and the NOI is considered to be more of a "Movement."

Thanks, breh

 

[DPresidential]

This thread is heavy as hell.

Extremely surprised that it isn't big on traffic.

OP, I appreciate your thread, I would say, though, that in the context of viewing the NOI in the same way one would view a criminal organization or a cult, yes, it makes strategic sense that Malcolm would be "taken care of" in the tragic manner we see...

However, if one is to actually look at an organization that purports to be about the betterment of black people, it was nothing short of despicable.

OP already indicated that he began to realize the NOI wasn't about anything more than Farrakhan, so I 'm not criticizing his viewpoint on the Malcolm killing but, for those who view the NOI as an organization dedicated to the betterment of black people, please let the bubble burst because that action, for me, sealed the deal in how nefarious the organization could be.

 

[motion order]

What's been left out, brehs?

I'm honestly curious about topics like these.

I'm going off the head from how they did it in the mid 90's.......Everyone starts at C class.....You have up to 6 months to rid yourself of the old habits of the outside world. If you show promise within those 6 months you move up to A class but in between you practice writting your letter to Chicago. There is no B Class but there is an F Class. Thats for people who do some shyt they aint supposed to like getting caught doing dope or committing crimes. When Malcolm was ex communicated he was in F Class

Nuri Muhammad is the best candidate for Farrakhans successor and the NOI is considered to be more of a "Movement."

There is a specific term for an official member of the Nation of Islam, you have yet to use it

One is only classified as Class A Class C etc... after they are a member. One doesn't "start off" as Class C.

The letter one writes has a specific name, you have yet to use it.

That "show promise within 6 months" is emphatically not true. There are some very specific things you have to do to become an official member, you have yet to name or describe them.

Malcolm X was never put in Class F. A 90 day suspension is not Class F, Malcolm didn't like the suspension, and subsequently left on his own.

What you are saying about Brother Nuri is actually silly.

It sounds like, AT BEST, you didn't even stick around long enough to come here 20 years later and speak as some sort of authority on the organization.

This forum is already anti-religion, anti-Black elders, and against the concept Black leadership. Like I said, you just wanted to add some level of credibility to your anti-Nation of Islam stance by presenting some twisted specifics that you claim to be true within the organization.