Reading that thread on the NOI and its obvious most of ya'll know nothing about the NOI

[TallMan_J]

One thing about Black people is we love a "feel good speech." If it sounds nice, we get amped. Let me say this....I give Elijah muhammad a pass for messing with them girls. Why? Because God gave King David a pass and he did way worse. You see, The NOI was filled with "humans" and not actual spiritual beings. And humans make human errors. This would include believing that killing Malcolm was ok and also why Elijah Muhammad got caught messing with them girls. But where I stand Elijah muhammad gets a pass because again, he was human. Think about it....You are a man in your mid50's and you look around and see what u created in America. A Black army on some positive shyt. You gonna naturally get gassed and start feeling yourself. Now add some beautiful young women who look at you like you are God. The temptation is too much. Elijah Muhammad messed up the hustle by thinking with his dikk. Because God is supposed to be superior over his dikk and well, Elijah Muhammad wasnt God, he was a human. And thats why I forgive him, even tho his actions fukked up the image of the hustle. Farrakhan learned from Elijahs mistakes and thats why he was never in any sexual scandles. Farrakhan picked up the torch of the hustle and said "OK I'm not going out like that."

I understand your point of view, BUT when you're in a leadership position that possesses that much power and authority, you should be held to a certain standard. Many men would have fallen into the temptation that Elijah did, but there's no excuse for it. I can still forgive him for that. What I find difficult to just "let go" is the murder of Malcolm. Their own brother. The reasoning or circumstances for his death are despicable. That's one of the reasons why I can't trust or take the NOI 100% serious. Seems like you would be joining a nation of snakes as opposed to a nation of brothers. It was decades ago, but still.

 

[@OffHalsted]

Anybody with brief knowing of the NOI should this already

Everybody should know the NOI had like 6 Rebirths or Direction Changes..

I useta hang on 79th & debate/politic wit a few them on a daily bases

 

[Ron Fox]

When this picture was posted on the NOI Facebook page:

...and Black men in the NOI started talking about how Kim is a Black woman because she's Armenian and Armenians were Black people who became white over time I knew all I needed to know then.

And shame on Kanye for parading his cavewoman in Black circles, and shame on Farrakhan for going against his word on interracial relationships.

The ideology is out of date so Farrakhan has to bend the rules a little. Yes he went against what Elijah Muhammad was stressing about interracial marriages. And yes it looks funny seeing that pic when I sat in classes where you had some FOI refer to the whitewoman as dogs. You see a Blackman in the street with a white woman and they would say he was "walking his dog."

But realistically, Farrakhan knows his hustle is Elijah Muhammads blueprint even tho that blueprint is out of date and anyone who pays attention to the NOI knows Farrkhan stays bending the rules. But he has to because, again, the ideology is out of date. Like for instance, The population of Black People in North America is not 17 Million in 2017. And there are not 2 Million Indians in North America either. But what we do is we act like we dont see that discrepancy and just play along.

 

[ba'al]

Master Fard Muhammad was a charlatan. And what he did was he pulled Elijah Muhammad to the side and showed him the art of being a charlatan, But Elijah Muhammad was so good at it he took it further then the heights of were Fard could ever take it. Elijah muhammad , like Noble Drew Ali knew that most Black people were still mystified by the Christian religion and this is why both of them used Christian customs to lure Black people in. Mix christian customs like believing in a mystery God while at the same time preaching that there is no Mystery God.

You think Nobel Drew Ali was a charlatan too? I knew he was a plagiarist but gave him a pass because he worked with garvey. A lot of these guys were charlatans and snake oil salesmen. Sweet Daddy Grace was around that time and he's another charlatan so was Yahweh Ben Yahweh after he claimed he was the Messiah. Dr. York .

And humans make human errors. This would include believing that killing Malcolm was ok and also why Elijah Muhammad got caught messing with them girls. But where I stand Elijah muhammad gets a pass because again, he was human.

I don't give him a pass. Weren't the girls underage and not only that didn't he excommunicate them too?

 

[TallMan_J]

Anybody with brief knowing of the NOI should this already

Everybody should know the NOI had like 6 Rebirths or Direction Changes..

I useta hang on 79th & debate/politic wit a few them on a daily bases

That's a deflection and a really generic response. If you aren't willing to elaborate or enlighten, then...

 

[im_sleep]

When this picture was posted on the NOI Facebook page:

...and Black men in the NOI started talking about how Kim is a Black woman because she's Armenian and Armenians were Black people who became white over time I knew all I needed to know then.

And shame on Kanye for parading his cavewoman in Black circles, and shame on Farrakhan for going against his word on interracial relationships.

NOI has always had a very open view on what qualifies as Black, as well as a being pretty open about embracing other "people of color". So none of that is surprising...to me at least.

 

[Ron Fox]

I understand your point of view, BUT when you're in a leadership position that possesses that much power and authority, you should be held to a certain standard. Many men would have fallen into the temptation that Elijah did, but there's no excuse for it. I can still forgive him for that. What I find difficult to just "let go" is the murder of Malcolm. Their own brother. The reasoning or circumstances for his death are despicable. That's one of the reasons why I can't trust or take the NOI 100% serious. Seems like you would be joining a nation of snakes as opposed to a nation of brothers. It was decades ago, but still.

OK well now lets really examine what u said about them killing Malcolm. Lets put our feelings to the side and really look at the situation. Now me personally, I really dont believe Elijah muhammad ordered any hit. I truly believe it was members who were just trying to put in work. Now remember, Malcolm said it himself if there was anyone who had spoke sideways about Elijah Muhammad he himself would have put that work in. Dudes were eyeing for that #1 spot and Malcolm was it. Malcolm set himself up with that "Chickens coming home to roost" shyt. He opened the door for the other members to say he was "defiant" even tho there was already tension. Once that door was open it was on. Malcolm said it himself, he denounced his own brother when he was put out of the NOI so it only made sense that members would get on some other shyt once Elijah Muhammad had disciplined malcolm for speaking when told not to speak. Even tho what Farrakhan said looked out of pocket, I have to agree with what he said about 'handling a traitor" again...malcolm was seen as being "defiant." He went on the whitemans media and spoke down on The NOI. He set himself up for the shytstorm. You go on the whitemans media and throw dirt on the image of the NOI, thats an invitation for the NOI to say u are the enemy now........Defiant member+ other members ready to put in that work for Elijah Muahhhamd = an understanding as to why they killed Malcolm. The mafia does the same thing so I do understand why it was done even tho that may sound fukked up.

What Malcolm should have done was flee like he fled from West Indian Archie. Harlem was too hot, he should have fled. King David in the Bible fled so why couldnt he flee?

 

[ba'al]

I remember being like 17 listening to people like Aseer the Duke, Yusef El, and Brother Polight. But a lot of these nikkas are just hustlers, scammers, and snake oil salesmen.

Them moorish nikkas had me convinced about that status correction shyt. But most of that jargon is basically Sovereign Citizen doctrine. Telling people they didn't have to pay taxes or own a driver licesnes and getting them jammed up. Welsey got jammed up for taxes because he was messing with Dr.York I think he built a studio next to Tama re too.

 

[TallMan_J]

OK well now lets really examine what u said about them killing Malcolm. Lets put our feelings to the side and really look at the situation. Now me personally, I really dont believe Elijah muhammad ordered any hit. I truly believe it was members who were just trying to put in work. Now remember, Malcolm said it himself if there was anyone who had spoke sideways about Elijah Muhammad he himself would have put that work in. Dudes were eyeing for that #1 spot and Malcolm was it. Malcolm set himself up with that "Chickens coming home to roost" shyt. He opened the door for the other members to say he was "defiant" even tho there was already tension. Once that door was open it was on. Malcolm said it himself, he denounced his own brother when he was put out of the NOI so it only made sense that members would get on some other shyt once Elijah Muhammad had disciplined malcolm for speaking when told not to speak. Even tho what Farrakhan said looked out of pocket, I have to agree with what he said about 'handling a traitor" again...malcolm was seen as being "defiant." He went on the whitemans media and spoke down on The NOI. He set himself up for the shytstorm. You go on the whitemans media and throw dirt on the image of the NOI, thats an invitation for the NOI to say u are the enemy now........Defiant member+ other members ready to put in that work for Elijah Muahhhamd = an understanding as to why they killed Malcolm. The mafia does the same thing so I do understand why it was done even tho that may sound fukked up.

What Malcolm should have done was flee like he fled from West Indian Archie. Harlem was too hot, he should have fled. King David in the Bible fled so why couldnt he flee?

Everything that you said makes a lot of sense and I never thought of it that way, but why didn't they just let the brother walk? It's not as if he was harming the NOI by leaving and doing his own thing. I believe that they were threatened by his brilliance and potential to become even bigger than the NOI. They weren't having that. They weren't going to let him fukk up their hustle. They didn't want anyone or anything bigger than the NOI. It's just all fukked up. I understand what you're saying, but I can't give them a pass on that. They murdered one of the most iconic and influential figures in Black history over jealousy and pride. He was killed by his own people. I don't think that it's comparable to The Mafia. I don't feel like Malcolm was a rat or a traitor. He just wanted to part ways and do his own thing because he witnessed the atrocities of NOI first hand.

 

[Ron Fox]

You think Nobel Drew Ali was a charlatan too? I knew he was a plagiarist but gave him a pass because he worked with garvey. A lot of these guys were charlatans and snake oil salesmen. Sweet Daddy Grace was around that time and he's another charlatan so was Yahweh Ben Yahweh after he claimed he was the Messiah. Dr. York .


I don't give him a pass. Weren't the girls underage and not only that didn't he excommunicate them too?

You asked about Noble Drew Ali

well lets look at what the prologue of The Holy Koran Of The Moorish Temple says

These secret lessons are for all of those who love Jesus and desire to know about his life works and teachings.

Now think about it.....Remember what I said about Elijah Muhammad mixing the old with the new? when Noble Drew Ali put that together it was early 1900 and he knew Black people were stuck on "Jesus" this is why the HKOFMT is filled with Jesus this and Jesus that. The only way to lure Black people at that time was if u were talking about Jesus. Muslims dont stress Jesus like that they stress Muhammad. Jesus is a Black American thing. Noble Drew Ali had to manuever Black folks with what they were already used to.



as for Elijah Muhammad getting a pass for the girls, remember, he was a practicing Muslim.....he could have many wives and the Prophet Muhammad wifed a pre teen. Again, what he did messed up the image of the hustle but atleast he could hide behind Islamic beliefs. Thats another reason why I give him a pass.

 

[Aviso]

I understand your point of view, BUT when you're in a leadership position that possesses that much power and authority, you should be held to a certain standard. Many men would have fallen into the temptation that Elijah did, but there's no excuse for it. I can still forgive him for that. What I find difficult to just "let go" is the murder of Malcolm. Their own brother. The reasoning or circumstances for his death are despicable. That's one of the reasons why I can't trust or take the NOI 100% serious. Seems like you would be joining a nation of snakes as opposed to a nation of brothers. It was decades ago, but still.

The NOI was infiltrated by the FBI and CIA. Not sure if you're familiar with COINTELPRO, but if not look it up. Also there is a video on YouTube by dikk Gregory that details that Malcom was killed by CIA agents based on the trajectory of the bullets. The black dudes that were accused/arrested were basically the fall guys.

Edit: Here is the link to the video


It starts at 4:53

 

[TallMan_J]

I remember being like 17 listening to people like Aseer the Duke, Yusef El, and Brother Polight. But a lot of these nikkas are just hustlers, scammers, and snake oil salesmen.

Them moorish nikkas had me convinced about that status correction shyt. But most of that jargon is basically Sovereign Citizen doctrine. Telling people they didn't have to pay taxes or own a driver licesnes and getting them jammed up. Welsey got jammed up for taxes because he was messing with Dr.York I think he built a studio next to Tama re too.

I despise "Brother" Polight. The guy is nothing more than a hypocritical hustler/scammer that takes advantage of the flaws and insecurities of Black people. What he says never makes any sense anyway. Dude has always been a joke to me.

 

[TallMan_J]

The NOI was infiltrated by the FBI and CIA. Not sure if you're familiar with COINTELPRO, but if not look it up. Also there is a video on YouTube by dikk Gregory that details that Malcom was killed by CIA agents based on the trajectory of the bullets. The black dudes that were accused/arrested were basically the fall guys.

Edit: Here is the link to the video


It starts at 4:53

 

[pawdalaw]

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Farakhan was bumping dikks with the CIA, why else ya'll still think they're around? Why else you think he's worth a couple million?

and ever notice how everyone The Minister speaks of has ended up dead...Khalid....Malcolm...Qadaffi....