Ray Daniels: Pusha T is overrated and underachieved compared to who he was next to

[JustCKing]

T.I just coined the word trap he ain’t have no trap sound


Jeezy and Gucci shifted that ,Ross just rode the wave.


Push’s diss took down the face of the culture and officially put the the nail in the coffin in his bid of being the greatest ever. Your boy is the face of the culture so the moves he made after that was that indirec/direct cause.. whether it’s business deals or music collabs ..etc..

T.I. NEVER coined the term trap. Kast and Ghetto Mafia were using the term in the early/mid 90's.

Breh, these are trap songs by T.I. in both sound and content:





In regard to Ross, the sound below took over rap:



Pusha's disses didn't take down Drake and did nothing that him having ghostwriters didn't do before.

 

[FappleMeOff]

Glad someone finally said it

 

[The Connoisseurs]

T.I. NEVER coined the term trap. Kast and Ghetto Mafia were using the term in the early/mid 90's.

Breh, these are trap songs by T.I. in both sound and content:





In regard to Ross, the sound below took over rap:



Pusha's disses didn't take down Drake and did nothing that him having ghostwriters didn't do before.

only one song you posted from TI had trap elements … I repeat elements…


And no BMF is the sound Waka flocka and Lex luger created which influenced young chop and Chief keef…

Bro a whole brand (Adidas) lost money that they need right now because of that diss… a lot changed.

 

[JustCKing]

only one song you posted from TI had trap elements … I repeat elements…


And no BMF is the sound Waka flocka and Lex luger created which influenced young chop and Chief keef…

Bro a whole brand (Adidas) lost money that they need right now because of that diss… a lot changed.

Breh, they wouldn't even be referred to trap elements had it not been for T.I. Nobody classified anything in music as trap until T.I. Gucci, Jeezy, nor Ross would have a lane without T.I.

It may be the sound Waka and Luger created. Still, that sound didn't dominate rap until "BMF" dropped.

Yeah, Adidas lost money. How did this change or shift the culture?

 

[The Connoisseurs]

Breh, they wouldn't even be referred to trap elements had it not been for T.I. Nobody classified anything in music as trap until T.I. Gucci, Jeezy, nor Ross would have a lane without T.I.

It may be the sound Waka and Luger created. Still, that sound didn't dominate rap until "BMF" dropped.

Yeah, Adidas lost money. How did this change or shift the culture?

T.I had a few dark synths in that song .. big whoop the drum patterns and cadence aren’t the same as trap. Nobody listens to Gucci and Jeezy and says damn if Tip ain’t exist we wouldn’t get this here. That’s a claim best left for 3-6 mafia, Project Pat and UGK.

Hard in the paint and the whole salute me or shoot me mixtape had the streets going crazy. Chief and the whole Chicago drill scene which made a dent in rap weren’t influence by BMF ..stop this

Drake’s trajectory and moves are different if story of adidon don’t come out, same way Jay’s moves were different after ether. When you’re at the top what happens to you and what you do or why happens to you effects the culture directly or indirectly.

Just like everyone credits/blames Lebron for the player empowerment culture but that’s really a result of Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen linking up

 

[bigdaddy88]

the brotha can rap, but idk subject matter and something else is missing lol....but the drake battle made it seem he was bigger than what he was (pause)

 

[Long Live The Kane]

T.I had a few dark synths in that song .. big whoop the drum patterns and cadence aren’t the same as trap. Nobody listens to Gucci and Jeezy and says damn if Tip ain’t exist we wouldn’t get this here. That’s a claim best left for 3-6 mafia, Project Pat and UGK.

Hard in the paint and the whole salute me or shoot me mixtape had the streets going crazy. Chief and the whole Chicago drill scene which made a dent in rap weren’t influence by BMF ..stop this

Drake’s trajectory and moves are different if story of adidon don’t come out, same way Jay’s moves were different after ether. When you’re at the top what happens to you and what you do or why happens to you effects the culture directly or indirectly.

Just like everyone credits/blames Lebron for the player empowerment culture but that’s really a result of Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen linking up

Think this post right here summarizes and validates the OP as succinctly as possible


Trying to diminish the genre defining, unquestioned impact of acts like Tip and Ross…whose runs defined eras…while in the very next breath trying to prop up the 5-10 days the hip hop populace gave a fukk about the Story of Addion as some kind of seismic cultural event that shifted the history of hip hop, because you know good and damn well Pusha’s actual music ain’t impact nothing is pure ….and as perfect of an illustration of he is in fact, overrated and underachieved

A peak Teflon Don era Rick Ross type run of impactful output would suffice to me say he’s truly left his mark on the game enough to be in certain conversations…and he hasn’t come anywhere close with all the advantages afforded to him

 

[Da Bull Ace]

You didn't explain how he wasn't truing to be a mainstream artist. You don't release something like "Sweet Serenade" with a video if you aren't attempting to be mainstream. You said he did it to promote his album, well didn't "Numbers On The Board" and "Nosetalgia" do that? Why would an artist who isn't trying to be mainstream have a Chris Brown single?

What is significant about Daytona that makes it a classic album? What makes that an essential listen to anyone who is a fan of Hip Hop?

I dont have to explain its already obvious. That was his first solo album while on a major label, do you seriously think that was him chasing stardom or more likely just a business decision for his album? Same with that kelly rowland song, and im pretty sure even that song was about coke. If he was trying to be mainstream you have way more examples from recent years and not songs from his first album

And you can literally google all the accolades daytona got. Topped many album of the year lists that year, was nominated for a grammy, even sold pretty well for a 7 song album. One of the most acclaimed projects of last decade outside of kenny and kanye

 

[The Connoisseurs]

Think this post right here summarizes and validates the OP as succinctly as possible


Trying to diminish the genre defining, unquestioned impact of acts like Tip and Ross…whose runs defined eras…while in the very next breath trying to prop up the 5-10 days the hip hop populace gave a fukk about the Story of Addion as some kind of seismic cultural event that shifted the history of hip hop, because you know good and damn well Pusha’s actual music ain’t impact nothing is pure ….and as perfect of an illustration of he is in fact, overrated and underachieved

A peak Teflon Don era Rick Ross type run of impactful output would suffice to me say he’s truly left his mark on the game enough to be in certain conversations…and he hasn’t come anywhere close with all the advantages afforded to him

Name me rappers or things that are direct influences from TI and ROSS.

(Their street resume was questioned from their direct or undercut relationship with law enforcement)

Story of adiddon still got y’all drake fans but hurt. It’s easy to see.. move on drake already has a kid he needs to take care of.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Clipse first two albums >>> Drake whole discog

I’m not even a Drake fan like that…..

But I don’t know about this one breh

 

[Guvnor]

This nikka got a flower shirt on?

Who is this nikka even?

I can't take this seriously lol.

 

[FINALE]

c’mon now. Do your research. Dude is an industry executive and major A&R. The guy has plaques and awards for his work.

Yall come in here being ignorant over this shyt just to undermine the thread

Sorry we don't know you Ray

 

[Invalid_Password]

Push has performed at Coachella, Governor's Ball, Lollapalooza and many notabke overseas festivals this year alone and some are still trying to say he has underachieved.
All to parrot the sentiment of one guy who's only metric is mainstream appeal as the defining measure.
It makes literally no sense.

 

[JustCKing]

I dont have to explain its already obvious. That was his first solo album while on a major label, do you seriously think that was him chasing stardom or more likely just a business decision for his album? Same with that kelly rowland song, and im pretty sure even that song was about coke. If he was trying to be mainstream you have way more examples from recent years and not songs from his first album

And you can literally google all the accolades daytona got. Topped many album of the year lists that year, was nominated for a grammy, even sold pretty well for a 7 song album. One of the most acclaimed projects of last decade outside of kenny and kanye

EVERY album is a business decision. All of these people are in the bisiness of making money. MNIMN was loaded with huge features. Darkest Before The Dawn not so much, but still had a feature from a Kehlani. In between that album and Daytona, he dropped "Drug Dealers Anonymous" featuring Jay Z. Then Daytona dropped, which was the first of the Kanye 7 song album Wyoming projects. And then his most recent album had a Jay Z feature on the first single produced by Pharrell.

^^^ this is far more than what most artists get.

Rapping about coke does not disqualify anything from being mainstream. What do you think "Grindin" was about? Like I said, Jeezy, Ross, and T.I. have all hit records based on coke rhymes. "And Then What", "Rubberband Man", "Hustlin", "BMF" and to a lesser extent, "What You Lnow About That" all songs where trappin was the content in those songs.

 

[Da Bull Ace]

EVERY album is a business decision. All of these people are in the bisiness of making money. MNIMN was loaded with huge features. Darkest Before The Dawn not so much, but still had a feature from a Kehlani. In between that album and Daytona, he dropped "Drug Dealers Anonymous" featuring Jay Z. Then Daytona dropped, which was the first of the Kanye 7 song album Wyoming projects. And then his most recent album had a Jay Z feature on the first single produced by Pharrell.

^^^ this is far more than what most artists get.

Rapping about coke does not disqualify anything from being mainstream. What do you think "Grindin" was about? Like I said, Jeezy, Ross, and T.I. have all hit records based on coke rhymes. "And Then What", "Rubberband Man", "Hustlin", "BMF" and to a lesser extent, "What You Lnow About That" all songs where trappin was the content in those songs.

1. MNIMN is loaded with big names because it was a major label album and push’s first album. The biggest names on there is chris brown and pharrell, who every rapper has a song with them, even earl sweatshirt has a pharrell beat, does that song sound mainstream? Oh ok

2. I mentioned coke to say push always stayed in his lane. Even with big names he was still in his coke lyricist bag. He never changed his shyt just to have mainstream success.

3. A jay verse in 2016 doesnt mean he was tryna be mainstream. Nothing about drug dealers anonymous sounds mainstream. It doesnt even have a hook. Neck & wrist def aint a mainstream sounding song. That was a huge reach on your part

4. All those songs you named all had hooks and mainstream intentions. They were all pushed by the label to top the billboard charts. The only push songs you can say had mainstream intentions were from his first album like I said before.

I said all I had to say. Nobody considers push a mainstream artist and you know that bruh you just wanna argue