Raising the U.S. Federal Minimum Wage Watch

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I stand by everything here. Its time for progressives to stop grandstanding and get shyt done. Either results matter or protestations matter. We can't replicate the republicans. We have to deliver and doing dumb shyt like this isn't helping. Stop trying to sneak shyt in bills that you know won’t pass. Do this like you give a damn instead of trolling peoples emotions. Stop acting like fukking amateurs. Let’s be adults. Goddammit.

 

[MoneyTron]

Hate that I agree with you, but this site is very weird with their fukk small biz takes as if they have the same margins, bargaining power, scale, etc as large businesses. Like no, perfectly healthy businesses are dying/died because of this pandemic, they weren't dying and shouldn't be dismissed as such.

I don't think people realize how many people are employed by small businesses, the fact that they're already declining and those jobs, especially in the unskilled sector, aren't being replaced with positions at large companies.

Small Economic Activity | JPMorgan Chase Institute

You know how many times I’ve heard on Twitter “let the businesses that can’t pay $15 now die”?

These people have no concept of business and don’t realize killing off small business is antithetical to almost everything they want. Idiots.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Making the minimum wage $10 or $12 is absolute nonsense.

I'm totally with the progressives who argue that $15 is the 'compromise.'

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

a nationwide bill should be based off the poorest/lowest cost part of the country

no it shouldn't, just like it wouldn't be based off the highest COL areas of the country. we have data that gives us these things called medians and averages so that we can split the difference

 

[the cac mamba]

no it shouldn't, just like it wouldn't be based off the highest COL areas of the country. we have data that gives us these things called medians and averages so that we can split the difference

but in this case, every city and state is free to set its own minimum wage and go higher

i dont really agree with putting small businesses in the south outta business to average it up with ohio. its the height of elitist liberal bullshyt to say "oh well" to the 1.3 million jobs it kills

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

but in this case, every city and state is free to set its own minimum wage and go higher

i dont really agree with putting small businesses in the south outta business to average it up with ohio. its the height of elitist liberal bullshyt to say "oh well" to the 1.3 million jobs it kills

Minimum wage hasn’t changed in 11 years and with inflation and productivity increases should be about 19/hr, moving up is exactly what needs to happen across the board. Landing on a compromise number like 12/he is still well below where it should be. And paying someone 24k/yr isn’t a lot even in the south.

$15 ain’t a lot either, but the issue is progressives acting like you can do that and also not see jobs lost.

 

[the cac mamba]

Minimum wage hasn’t changed in 11 years and with inflation and productivity increases should be about 19/hr, moving up is exactly what needs to happen across the board. Landing on a compromise number like 12/he is still well below where it should be. And paying someone 24k/yr isn’t a lot even in the south.

$15 ain’t a lot either, but the issue is progressives acting like you can do that and also not see jobs lost.

im fine with the 15 hope it passes. but we're not looking at a pathway, so its time to accept that and go for 12

but it seems like these idiots would rather not include 15, than include 12 and have it succeed

 

[LurkMoar]

Cap

Yea it’s hyperbole but you get my point

 

[Atlrocafella]

Biden should have moved it to $10, The CBO said this number would avoided massive job losses. Would of satisfied the moderate Dems in the senate and would have had a real win on his resume

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

im fine with the 15 hope it passes. but we're not looking at a pathway, so its time to accept that and go for 12

but it seems like these idiots would rather not include 15, than include 12 and have it succeed

Breh, 15 is the number they should be trying to get, biggest issue is trying to shoehorn it into the covid bill while not even having all Dems on board. But you stay wanting Dems to come to the table with their bottom number like who does that?

12 isn’t even part of the conversation, it’s something we were discussing in this thread. Now if that’s where they land to get the votes, fine, but 15 is already below the 19 it should be at, why would they come with further bargain basement numbers to START the process?

 

[mastermind]

$15 won't even come in until 2025. This convo is disingenuous.

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

$15 still ain’t shyt if your single with no kids and live in a city.

CNN broke it down.

 

[the cac mamba]

Breh, 15 is the number they should be trying to get, biggest issue is trying to shoehorn it into the covid bill while not even having all Dems on board. But you stay wanting Dems to come to the table with their bottom number like who does that?

12 isn’t even part of the conversation, it’s something we were discussing in this thread. Now if that’s where they land to get the votes, fine, but 15 is already below the 19 it should be at, why would they come with further bargain basement numbers to START the process?

so do you just want to fast forward to when 15 isnt in the covid bill and im right?

 

[AquaCityBoy]

$15 won't even come in until 2025. This convo is disingenuous.

Very. And you seriously have people in here talking about $10 and $12.

Even if we're to believe that $10 or $12 would have the votes, there's no way these bad faith acting Rethuglicans and corporate Democrats would agree to raise it that high overnight. So now we're dealing the same or a similar timeline as $15, but for one-fifth to one-third less. Then when we get to the $10 minimum wage in 2024 or 2025, those same Rethuglicans and corporate Dems will go at raising it to $15, because it's "too soon" and "not the right time."

So you're effectively looking at $15 minimum wage nearly a decade from now, at which point it'll probably be worthless because it'll get you about as far as $7.25 does now.

No. No deal. That is absolute nonsense, and nobody should even be suggesting that bullshyt in earnest.

 

[the cac mamba]

Very. And you seriously have people in here talking about $10 and $12.

Even if we're to believe that $10 or $12 would have the votes, there's no way these bad faith acting Rethuglicans and corporate Democrats would agree to raise it that high overnight. So now we're dealing the same or a similar timeline as $15, but for one-fifth to one-third less. Then when we get to the $10 minimum wage in 2024 or 2025, those same Rethuglicans and corporate Dems will go at raising it to $15, because it's "too soon" and "not the right time."

So you're effectively looking at $15 minimum wage nearly a decade from now, at which point it'll probably be worthless because it'll get you about as far as $7.25 does now.

No. No deal. That is absolute nonsense, and nobody should even be suggesting that bullshyt in earnest.

you dont seem to want to deal with the reality that theres not the votes or pathway for 15 to happen in the covid bill. im sensing a theme in here