Raising the U.S. Federal Minimum Wage Watch

[acri1]

I voted for Biden to suppress the minimum wage




I'm not sure why people are trying to hang this on anyone other than Red States and the QOP

I put it on Manchin and Sinema for not wanting to remove the filibuster. And Biden to an extent for talking all that naive bipartisan nonsense. Obviously Republicans are pieces of shyt but that's a given.

As long as the filibuster remains the Dems literally can't pass shyt regardless of what they do.


Arguing about whether 12/hr or 15/hr would be better is pointless if the GOP is going to block everything.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

That's fine. I thought the data was clear on my position, Charlotte is one of the more affordable cities and 12/hr puts you well below what it takes to find housing and live affordably.

We're expecting people to live, even short term and advance on a pay that is half the median and 56k less than what most estimates suggest is needed to affordably live.

15/hr is less than what people got under the CARES act to stay home.

Does it for two people? and it takes 80k to live affordably in Charlotte?

Some of your comments come from what are very differing views of what min wage is supposed to be and one of the reasons it hasn't changed federally.

I personally don't think min wage entitles a person to live comfortably on their own (should it, not sure, but that opens the door to livable wages vs min wage which is something I definitely don't think can be federally legislated), that said, two people - whether roommates or a couple - making min wage is a $48k (or $60k @ 15/hr) household, which makes living a decent life (barring health care benefit fukkery) doable.

 

[ch15x]

What about an across-the-board percentage hike and work your way up over a period of time?

 

[Pressure]

Does it for two people? and it takes 80k to live affordably in Charlotte?

Some of your comments come from what are very differing views of what min wage is supposed to be and one of the reasons it hasn't changed federally.

I personally don't think min wage entitles a person to live comfortably on their own (should it, not sure, but that opens the door to livable wages vs min wage which is something I definitely don't think can be federally legislated), that said, two people - whether roommates or a couple - making min wage is a $48k (or $60k @ 15/hr) household, which makes living a decent life (barring health care benefit fukkery) doable.

Not really, I'm merely arguing that min wage is no longer on pace historically and it's difference between what it takes to live comfortably and what minimum wage provides is an example of that.

Further, I believe that when we build salary up from the floor and not the reality of what it takes to live most workers wages suffer as a result. I think one of the most anecdotal pieces of evidence of this is when people attempt to couple teacher pay to that of a fast food worker. "Why would you be a teacher if you could make just as much at Wal-Mart and not have student loans?"

For most American workers I feel like discussions around pay is regressive.

I'd be insulted if my job framed my pay around how much more I make than a low skilled worker and not around the productivity/profitability of my work and what doing that will provide for my life.

 

[Payday23]

Going with no. The minimum wage was a ploy to get votes. The only people truly fighting for it are the progressive Democrats. This is why people stay home during midterms.

 

[Pressure]

Going with no. The minimum wage was a ploy to get votes. The only people truly fighting for it are the progressive Democrats. This is why people stay home during midterms.

If people aren't voting for it at the state levels why should we expect it nationally?

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

 

[No1]

If people aren't voting for it at the state levels why should we expect it nationally?

It has won every time it was put on the ballot over the past decade.

 

[FAH1223]

Bernie keeping that same energy

 

[Pressure]

It has won every time it was put on the ballot over the past decade.

We talking 15/hr?

Florida is only the eighth state in the country (and the first in the South) to raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour, joining California, Connecticut, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York. Florida is the first state to raise the minimum wage as high as $15 an hour by a citizens’ initiative ballot measure. Similar increases were introduced during the Florida legislative session in recent years, but the measure never passed.

That's only 8 states.

And we've conversely seen it blocked at the state levels.

States Are Barring Cities From Raising The Minimum Wage

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...-minimum-wages-too-states-keep-blocking-them/

I think min wage will increase but I don't see 15/hr being the mark even though I think it should be the floor.

 

[No1]

We talking 15/hr?

That's only 8 states.

And we've conversely seen it blocked at the state levels.

States Are Barring Cities From Raising The Minimum Wage

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...-minimum-wages-too-states-keep-blocking-them/

I think min wage will increase but I don't see 15/hr being the mark even though I think it should be the floor.

The minimum wage was raised federally in the late 2000s. The current state by state push to raise it has basically been something in the past 8 years or so. It was blocked by state legislators- not by people. My point was that it is incredibly popular and only politicians have stood in its way. The question is whether they would do that with the entire nation watching and it being highlighted by the White House. We never got the full court press.

 

[Pressure]

The minimum wage was raised federally in the late 2000s. The current state by state push to raise it has basically been something in the past 8 years or so. It was blocked by state legislators- not by people. My point was that it is incredibly popular and only politicians have stood in its way. The question is whether they would do that with the entire nation watching and it being highlighted by the White House. We never got the full court press.

I dont disagree with the popularity. As I've said for quite some time, people happily vote against their own interest in favor of tribalism.

Agree or disagree, state legislatures are being punished by voters for rejecting min wage increases?

Agree or disagree, republicans will be punished for voting against min wage increases?

 

[Pressure]

It's a big strawmen to suggest I'm against dems bringing votes to floor regarding min wage because I don't think it will pass at 15/hr and because I don't think min wage is the type of single issue vote that will move conservatives off their pivot.

I've also said previously that voters will appreciate their representatives pushing for and voting for legislation they like, even if they don't agree with subverting or firing the parliamentarian in order to make it pass.

If you believe that's the only way, then I'm not sure why we're even arguing over this.

 

[No1]

I dont disagree with the popularity. As I've said for quite some time, people happily vote against their own interest in favor of tribalism.

Agree or disagree, state legislatures are being punished by voters for rejecting min wage increases?

Agree or disagree, republicans will be punished for voting against min wage increases?

I don’t even think most people are aware that those votes have happened.

 

[FAH1223]

Minimum Wage: The Politics of Half a Loaf
BY ROBERT KUTTNER
MARCH 1, 2021

Cristian Cardona, an employee at McDonald’s, attends a rally for a $15-an-hour minimum wage, February 16, 2021, in Orlando, Florida.

After considering strategies to get some of the minimum wage done via tax credits and penalties, the Senate leadership has dropped that idea, too. What now?

Several Republicans have indicated support for a lower figure. Sens. Romney and Cotton favor a $10 minimum, as does some guy named Trump. Josh Hawley supports a $15 requirement for large corporations. Joe Manchin says he could support $11.

The Biden proposal is for a $15 minimum phased in over five years. It would go to $9.50 this year, but not reach a full $15 until 2025.

Since some Republicans support $10, it may be very tempting for Biden to offer that $10, as a compromise that would split and embarrass the GOP. As our colleague David Dayen has written, the Democrats should take the $15 minimum wage to the floor, and make Republicans vote on it.

But then, if the bill fails, they could offer the $10 compromise, and make Republicans vote on that. Biden could pledge to keep fighting for more, and ask the voters to demand that their senators and representatives support him.

The Progressive Caucus would not be happy, but they would be even less happy if nothing passes, and they can’t conjure Republican votes. Sometimes half a loaf is not a sellout, but a way to divide the opposition—and a stepping-stone to something better.

In the meantime, Biden and the Dems should be leading the charge for higher state minimum wages by ballot initiative, a successful strategy that provides concrete benefits and divides Republicans.

Truth to tell, even $15 is pitifully inadequate—but we have to start somewhere.