Rail Unions Warn of Unsafe Working Conditions in Labor Negotiations; Train Derailments Follow (East Palestine, Houston, Etc)

[mastermind]

This was disappointing coming from “The most labor friendly administration in history.” It was his time to show and prove and he didn’t even release a statement of support.

biden probably is the most labor friendly president outside of FDR, but the standard is comically low.

The deal they celebrated in September was rail company friendly which is why a few of the unions voted no.

 

[Higher Tech]

biden probably is the most labor friendly president outside of FDR, but the standard is comically low.

The deal they celebrated in September was rail company friendly which is why a few of the unions voted no.

It really was a right down the middle deal. It was more friendly to labor than the railroads but it didn’t address a lot of concerns we had. It was the equivalent of throwing money at a problem and thinking it was the key. Biden showing face at those 25th hour negotiations should have struck fear into the railroads but they played hardball over the sick days. We ended up with three unpaid medical occurrences as a compromise to us wanting 15 paid days. Marty Walsh handled most of the latter mediation. They were patting each other on the back and considering the tentative agreement a victory before the rank and file had a chance to vote on it.

 

[John Reena]

Anything to avoid holding Republicans accountable

^^^^^^^

EVERY single time.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Biden releasing nearly $36B to aid pensions of union workers

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden's administration on Thursday announced the infusion of nearly $36 billion to shore up a financially troubled union pension plan, preventing severe cuts to the retirement incomes of about 350,000 Teamster workers and retirees across the United States.

apnews.com

 

[mastermind]

They were patting each other on the back and considering the tentative agreement a victory before the rank and file had a chance to vote on it.

That shyt confused me too once I read what the agreement was.

I‘m noticing a lot of rank and file union members are upset at their leaders too, since many been there for years and became fat cats.

You noticing that with your union?

 

[Higher Tech]

That shyt confused me too once I read what the agreement was.

I‘m noticing a lot of rank and file union members are upset at their leaders too, since many been there for years and became fat cats.

You noticing that with your union?

So.. I’m one of those “fat cats.” Well.. sort of. I’ve been an officer in my local for 7 years, and 6 years serving as the 2nd Vice Chairman of my state legislative board. I’ve lobbied in DC, I’ve had several meetings with our National officers being briefed on some of our negotiations.

A lot of rank and file think they’re being sold out, but a lot of it is that guys refuse to be involved. I have 80 members in my local and I’m lucky to get 5 guys at the meetings. That’s a trend that tracks throughout the nation. We have a larger union in our territory that has 300ish members and they get 10-15 members at the meetings. So the flow of information isn’t consistent, and when you try to summarize 5 years of very complex negotiations, a lot gets lost. We fought for sick days down to the last day negotiations, but it’s a negotiation, not a takeover. We weren’t willing to budge anymore on health care and we didn’t want to give up any of the raise so the railroads weren’t inclined to give us sick days. Bringing the tentative agreement to a vote may have been the only big misstep, but it’s hard to not take it to the members when the presidential administration, who campaigned on supporting unions, and Teamster president, Sean Obrien, are putting the pressure on to get it to a vote. Once the TA failed, Biden should have gone to bat for the unions and he didn’t. There’s a lot of moving pieces. I think overall, it’s a good deal. I’m happy with it. Is it perfect? No, not by a longshot. But understanding what we were up against, this is a solid deal.

Hell, remember, railroads refused to negotiate a raise for conductors for over 5 years until it went to a PEB. The only way they were will to give conductors anything was if they negotiated crew consist. Which means negotiate a way to remove conductors from trains and put an expiration date on the craft. The railroads also wanted us to pay 60% of our healthcare plans while raising all of our out of pocket expenses. This could have gone terribly, but since it didn’t, a lot of our rank and file ignores what could have been and only see what they want it to be.

 

[mastermind]

So.. I’m one of those “fat cats.” Well.. sort of. I’ve been an officer in my local for 7 years, and 6 years serving as the 2nd Vice Chairman of my state legislative board. I’ve lobbied in DC, I’ve had several meetings with our National officers being briefed on some of our negotiations.

A lot of rank and file think they’re being sold out, but a lot of it is that guys refuse to be involved. I have 80 members in my local and I’m lucky to get 5 guys at the meetings. That’s a trend that tracks throughout the nation. We have a larger union in our territory that has 300ish members and they get 10-15 members at the meetings. So the flow of information isn’t consistent, and when you try to summarize 5 years of very complex negotiations, a lot gets lost. We fought for sick days down to the last day negotiations, but it’s a negotiation, not a takeover. We weren’t willing to budge anymore on health care and we didn’t want to give up any of the raise so the railroads weren’t inclined to give us sick days. Bringing the tentative agreement to a vote may have been the only big misstep, but it’s hard to not take it to the members when the presidential administration, who campaigned on supporting unions, and Teamster president, Sean Obrien, are putting the pressure on to get it to a vote. Once the TA failed, Biden should have gone to bat for the unions and he didn’t. There’s a lot of moving pieces. I think overall, it’s a good deal. I’m happy with it. Is it perfect? No, not by a longshot. But understanding what we were up against, this is a solid deal.

Hell, remember, railroads refused to negotiate a raise for conductors for over 5 years until it went to a PEB. The only way they were will to give conductors anything was if they negotiated crew consist. Which means negotiate a way to remove conductors from trains and put an expiration date on the craft. The railroads also wanted us to pay 60% of our healthcare plans while raising all of our out of pocket expenses. This could have gone terribly, but since it didn’t, a lot of our rank and file ignores what could have been and only see what they want it to be.

I feel you.

 

[nyknick]

 

[THE 101]

This shyt is spooky

 

[the cac mamba]

another L for the judge

 

[bnew]

social media really is whats been spreading news of this disaster around. that video was a good primer on the situation.

 

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[Mike Nasty]

another L for the judge

I guess naps banned again or be in here defending this dude.