Raekwon Details Why He Doesn't Consider 'Wu-Tang Forever' a Classic (Part 13)

[King Sun]

Forever>AEOM>LAD

LAD had more filler than forever

 

[The War Report]

Forever didn’t have the energy and rawness of the first album. That’s what made people hardcore fans. It’s like RZA smoothed out the edges too much on the 2nd album.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Easily best double album ever

Life After Death is a 10 MIC album. That’s the most well rounded full Hip-Hop album in HISTORY. Let alone DOUBLE album

Lyrics
Beats
Storytelling
Club
Radio
Street
Grimy
Party

ALL THAT

Ain't no album with 'Another' and 'Nasty Boy' on it a 10 mic album.
All Eyez On Me was just as versatile and accomplished the same thing LAD did a year earlier, and it has flaws as well

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Ain't no album with 'Another' and 'Nasty Boy' on it a 10 mic album.
All Eyez On Me was just as versatile and accomplished the same thing LAD did a year earlier, and it has flaws as well

Wu-Tang Forever has many more misses than Life After Death

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Wu-Tang Forever has many more misses than Life After Death

Still dont change the fact LAD ain't no 10 mic album

 

[Black White Sox Hat]

Rae just wanted a grimey album like Enter the 36 and OBCL.I can see where he's coming from.

Wu Tang Forever replay value is behind atleast 4 other Wu albums imo.

 

[lepard]

Wu has the same problem Bone has, their best album can’t be duplicated in any way shape or form.

Forever and Art of War are classics that have gotten better over time.

 

[Woodrow]

Rae is a fukking hater. A talented hater. But a hater nonetheless.


Wu-Tang Forever is incredible. If I was a member of Wu i’d be singing that album’s praises until the day Allah calls from me from this earth

rae also been throwing rocks at rza's head since 8 diagrams. seems like the hate is connected in this case.

forever is a classic.

black shampoo can kick all the rocks tho.

 

[MajesticLion]

Ego.

 

[BuddahMAC]

I never knew why he didn't have RZA do Immobilarity. Did he just want a change of pace?

Ego. The two most praised things about OB4CL were the production and Ghostface's breakout performance. He did a follow-up with neither to try to shine as his project completely. Didn't work. Not saying RZA would have been free to do the whole project, but to not even have a couple beats from what defined your debut? One Ghost verse? Ego.

He wasn’t fukking with RZA production after Forever. That Bobby Digital bullshyt and some lackluster beats consistently. I don’t know why he didn’t opt for other big name producers tho. Only Carlos “Six July” Broady & Pete Rock did I recognize. He went with no names. And he was still on Loud. It didn’t make sense. Not even 4th Disciple or True Master. Maybe he was taking a step away from the Wu sound. His next album after that sucked too. That one was trash. Lex Diamond Story?

For Immobilarity, Infinite Architectz (or however they misspelled it) were in house Loud production at that time, which is why they did a big cut. Tryflin was Rae's people so that's who did the majority of the album & who knows how Vo & Pop got involved. Pete Rock was basically in house for Loud then too b/c of his Soul Survivor project & why him & Deck have Pete on their albums (& they're on SS1). DJ Devastator produced Real Life & he produced most of Wu Syndicate & Six July did Yae Yo & produced most of La the Darkman. Also it was a project to showcase American Cream Team as his main crew under him as opposed to majority core Clan member guest spots (again, ego).

And Lex he finally had Ghost on again, but different producers on nearly every track (maybe trying to be Supreme Clientele-like? I dunno.) EZ Elpee, DJ Kahlil, Emile, etc... The only one to do 2 beats was Mizza (SI producer) and again this one set up Ice Water Inc as Rae's crew.

 

[Billy Ocean]

36 Chambers = Classic
Tical = No
Return To The 36 Chambers = Close but no
OB4CL = CLASSIC
Liquid Swords = CLASSIC
Ironman = Close but no
Wu-Tang Forever = Closest but no

You smoking some good shyt. You gotta plug me in.

@Love Bizarre schooling you.

And I always find it funny when Rae tries to shyt on RZA on the management and on the musical side of things. Rae is a horrible manager of artists (he's failed badly with every artist that's been under him) and his best albums are the ones that RZA had a big hand in. at him saying that Wu Forever ain't classic when he's called Lex Diamond Story and Immobilarity classic. nikkas in here agreeing with Rae bullshyt is wildin.

 

[Zero]

Zenith lyrically as well. Deck & Ghost at their peak.

Deck was not fukking around on Forever



My rap style swing like Willie Mays
My eyes purple haze, my solar rays’ll burn through shades
Rhyme grenades raid the airwaves, catch this rap page
I glide like, hovercrafts on the Everglades
Boom master with the faster blade, track slasher
Manufacture poems to microphones, bones fracture
Limited edition, composition, spark friction
Non-fiction, the calm bomb, keep your arm distant
Zero tolerance, dominant intelligence
Wu original, true colors stem from the melanin
The most high, most try, to get close by
And overthrow I, but choke, with they hopes up high
I circulate the tri-state and vibrate beyond the Richter
Fly sistas flock when they spot this live nikka
The crowd seducer, black your third eye before I lose ya
Verbal high, leave styes in the eyes of Medusa
Top ten, poly' like Cochran, and Sharpton
Narrow margin, of your odds to dodge the marksman
Murder rap, kill you soft like Roberta Flack
Words attack like a British Bulldog, observe the stats



I don't give a fukk who got what to say about this album...not even the Wu. shyt is a classic.

 

[Zero]

It would have had Bobby Digital beats. You can here him trying out those sounds on the album intro with the old gods going through it. Also on Black Shampoo & the trash Tekitha song.

And I say that not to defend Immobilarity at all. Just that clearly burnout and Wu fatigue had set in by 1998.

Maybe. shyt, you can hear the origins on Ironman

 

[I love Latina women]

All that Screaming, Growling, Boogie Boogie Woogie shyt East Coast nikkas was doing at that time

I couldn't get into that shyt

But on Forever

Peace To The God's

Beats and Lyrics

Great music is great music, whether it's from the East coast, the West coast, down South or mid West

Hip hop in the 90s' era was this beautiful melting pot of great music

I like the their albums but as time as gone on, Forever is just a much more sophisticated and refined version of 36 Chambers. It was like they took what they had learned from the first album and first solo albums and just expanded on their sound.

Forever is the more polished sound. Polished and mastered sound.

 

[choc_cardigan]

Deck was not fukking around on Forever



My rap style swing like Willie Mays
My eyes purple haze, my solar rays’ll burn through shades
Rhyme grenades raid the airwaves, catch this rap page
I glide like, hovercrafts on the Everglades
Boom master with the faster blade, track slasher
Manufacture poems to microphones, bones fracture
Limited edition, composition, spark friction
Non-fiction, the calm bomb, keep your arm distant
Zero tolerance, dominant intelligence
Wu original, true colors stem from the melanin
The most high, most try, to get close by
And overthrow I, but choke, with they hopes up high
I circulate the tri-state and vibrate beyond the Richter
Fly sistas flock when they spot this live nikka
The crowd seducer, black your third eye before I lose ya
Verbal high, leave styes in the eyes of Medusa
Top ten, poly' like Cochran, and Sharpton
Narrow margin, of your odds to dodge the marksman
Murder rap, kill you soft like Roberta Flack
Words attack like a British Bulldog, observe the stats



I don't give a fukk who got what to say about this album...not even the Wu. shyt is a classic.

I seriously have no idea how many times I played this song