Raekwon and Ghostface is the only reason street nikkas fukked with Wu-Tang Clan

[Danie84]

I was born in 84, and my brother was nine-years-older than me, so I can't comprehend

somebody not knowing how Kung-Fu VHSs made The Hood Go HAM. Remembers, his Lo Life crew

nearly dismantling moms furniture in the living room, cuz the flying ninjas ninjas had them

geeked off that pure PIFF. And, not that I care about nikkas street cred, but RZA beat cases that could have had him doing Jupiter numbers

...also, The Hood fukked with WWF wrestling too

 

[mbewane]

its cause your statement is so black and white. your one of my favorite posters, but to name a thread "Rae and Ghost were the ONLY reason street nikkas fukked with wu tang" is completely wrong even if its soaked in reality

can it be so simple is one of the FIRST modern day (post g rap era) east coast drug dealing records in the 90s. unknowingly to us all, that song set off the rae/ghost team and mafioso rap in general ie influenced every rapper in the game

"half the east coast sound just like rae" - cappadonna on heaterz

but rae and ghost didnt come back out TOGETHER until 95/(or late 94 with heaven and hell).

so the whole 94 which set wu up for the rest of their career, you telliong me street heads only fukked with wu tang cause of one song? cause in 94/95 wu tangwas in their STREET PRIME.

CREAM did more for the streets than any song wu did. and that was rae DECK and METH. ghostface didnt hit his stride until late 94 and in that same time deck or meth would have been seen just as equally STREET as ghost and rae. infact, ghost wasnt even coloful with his shyt yet which is what really caught the streets ear.

street nikkas didnt fukk with Tical? bring the pain, sub crazy, mr sandman. fukk, your all i need is like THE street love song. Biggie was LOVED by the streets and meths on the what. Not inclding meth in yur statement cause he didnt rap purely about selling crack just rubs me the wrongw ay cause meth was NEXT and he was loved by everyone. the streets, the cacs, the inbetweens, the girls, everybody..

I just dont see how you can with absoluite certainty say that rae and ghost were the sole reason for the streets fukking with wu tang when wu tang were loved by the streets, doing all black concerts shooting guns in the air, etc before cuban linx even dropped.

RZA was the main reason for EVERYONE liking wu. the streets loved the rzas beats ie thats why everyone has rapped over all his classics. find any freestyle session from the 90s, from jay z to nas to big to whomever it was all rza tracks.

the streets turned their back on wu in general during wu forever because they dont like being preached to and rather would glorify more negativity wanting another cuban linx type album.

raekwon is a CLASSIC PIONEER of this street rap shyt so yes dude is a prime reason dudes love wu tang. but dude is crazy 1 dimensional. They needed to come out together to get the respect cause ae would have never made it without wu tang. ghostface flipepd his style 3-4 times between 36 and supreme clientele... word in the streets during 2000 was ghost saved teh wu with supreme and that era ghost was less(tho still heavy into) street and more emotional and abstract (ugod had the style first) which made him a cult hero but idk if that helped or hurt his street image in the long run.

but the streets fukkED with method man. they fukkED with the RZA and his beats (RZAs verse on tearz is the classic street tale, not ghosts). Hell pre cuban linx when wu was selling out shows in the hood all the time, DECK was ahead of ghost (and he didnt get the rep for being a knowledge/math rapper until forever)/ ODB was a star on 36 chambers and def is a street dude.

Beinga drug dealer isnt the only way to connect with the streets, but street heads fukked with way more members than just rae and ghost. I mean was nas respected in the streets? if nas was I dont see how half the wu werent when their subject matter was way more into that shyt than nas. You could say GZA was boring and wasnt fly that made the streets love him but homie was dropping songs like"Life of a Drug Dealer" in 91, had a pure street album in liquid swords and was called the head of the crew. His shyt sold the same as Cuban Linx even though you say the streets only fukked with rae and ghost.how is that?

Wu Tang brought EVERY aspect of the streets to their music. the street is more than selling crack and being fly in some hill figure and clarks. the 5% shyt was def the STREETS. the crazy RZA beats were def THE STREETS. The streets fukked with Wu tang, not just raekwon and ghostface.

It was when wu got crazy deep with the lyrics did the streets stop fukking wu tang and start flucking with just rae and ghost but that wasnt even until 2000 my dude...did the streets fukk with Immobilarity? no... and rae was even BETTER lyrically on that album. what was the difference between immobilarity and cuban linx... its a raekwon solo... not a WU solo. That alone shows the wus brand itself is fukked with by the streets because raekwons only successful albums come from when he brandishes his album with that W. Did the streets fukk with Supreme Clientele? YES... why? Cause it was a WU album.

just facts here. I would appreciate any discussion on it. youre looking at wus legacy through the eyes of today forgetting that during wus prime, most members were equal with each other, all loved by the streets equally until they alienated the base and only rae and ghost fit in with the 2000s era gangsta sound. but rae and ghost being the only ones is some 2005-on revisionist long run shyt. The streets been calling wu white boy music for a long time and abstract ghostface and raekwon (99-2007) didnt help none in the eyes of those streets in reality.. How could a crew of 9/10 felons not be loved by "street nikkas" period. Wu tang was loved by all types of people for all types of reasons. and the proof is in raekwon himself who was completely forgotten by the streets for guys like pun/dipset/50 etc until homie slaps that W back on his cds. Like I said, your statement is too black and white to hold all that water.

wu tang is too important a group to say that only 2 members out of 10 hold their rep to the crowd wu makes their music for. They were the streetsb favorites but not the ONLY ones.

 

[Art Barr]

Damn near everyone loved Wu from 36 chambers through the first solo albums. I think people forget or weren't alive to remember how popular they were.

They grew to love the wu.
protect ya neck was a slow burn single that never caught on with regular nikkaz.
it was not until much later after cream was released.
did it become a surefire single in slow burn process.
regardless of that people did not know what wutang was talembout at all when they first dropped in regards to slang and the dopegame.
the wu taught everyone how to talk about the dope game period.
in an artistic stylistic mode that basically Terra formed how to rap about the dope game and culturally still be commendable after the cowboy edict.
in that, Rae and ghost had the imagery and tone to appease that fanbase.
plus, 1995 was very anemiac.
so, when a twenty plus track listed obfcl dropped.
Timing and a higher quality product than everything that was out at the time made it a bargain buy.
plus, what's funny is.
people, Like to change history to fit their story.
when, originally mobb and obfcl came under a bit of scrutiny from the cowboy edict.
it is just a lack of alternative high quality releases did not exist.
so, out of lack of material in the market place and the ramp up ability of ugod , Ghostface and Rae all in succession made the release a prized possesion.
regardless of the cowboy edict and the wu's culture connection and quality.
soon won over the culture minded and based fanbase on the fence.
as back then, it was a bit taboo.
to freely support mobb and obfcl.
so, the knowledge and a number of forums to speak on it occurred all around the culture.
it was a heavy topic of discussion, on underground radio shows and socially.
it could extend and open with the ramp up of ugod, rae, and ghost.
as all three were given the weakest out the crew label originally.
yet, the three had ramped up in the technical revolution to be better than their styles era contemporaries in the time when those members were not visible.
anyone trying to change history like Rae, ghost and even ugod were accepted as dope originally is a bona-fide lie.
as, their ramp up ability skillwise, plus an anemiac 1995.
being the precursor to the first piss poor quality year in the new school way of thought.
when, this album was announced just seemed like more of the same.
where a crew comes out and the weak links are standard gangsta rap fluff skillwise.
yet, to ugod, rae, and ghost's credit.
they did the math and stole the show with great technical skill ramp up ability during the technical renaissance of 1994 ushered in by nas.
who would the very next year see the impact of obfcl and mobb deep sway him to become a caricature of himself in that same timeframe.
that resulted in him to jettison his original Illmatic fanbase for a younger toy based fanbase from MTV on iww.
which would forever lead to why we are where we are.
in the lowest inconsistently skilled era since the oversaturation of low quality wannabe Westcoast gangsta rap groups, in the early 90's.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Also, if obfcl was not as good as it was.
it would have created a scrutiny and quality based complaint for wu members.
making solos out of the collective and hurt their ability to continue to draw.
as, originally the flood that damaged method's original tical was not widespread knowledge.
plus, the Mary J single aided to rejuvenate the lost steam.
while, also amazingly dispelling any cultural issues wiTh rnb collabs.

yet, and still that was a b-side to a maxi and the scrutiny for the wu as solo.
making retail high quality non addendum based track listing releases was at the time a question for the wu.
all from the low quality alternative album version of tical we got from defjam.
So, obfcl saved the the day for wu as a group and as solos.
as the presumed weakest nikkaz out the crew in ugod, rae, and ghost all made the leap in skill.
that was so astronomically dope.
that it singlehandedly saved the wu, and made them even more popular than they previously were.
as, this thread title proves it made them accessible and a staple to a non-culture based crowd.
that originally, they only had at one point in time permeation with because of cream.
as, they personified show and prove on a level as a collective skillwise.
that did not exist in rap from a ramp up skill possibility, consistently.

Art Barr


Art Barr

 

[Awesome Wells]

I will say, I think OB4CL did for Wu what Tical couldn't.

 

[Foxmulder]

its cause your statement is so black and white. your one of my favorite posters, but to name a thread "Rae and Ghost were the ONLY reason street nikkas fukked with wu tang" is completely wrong even if its soaked in reality

can it be so simple is one of the FIRST modern day (post g rap era) east coast drug dealing records in the 90s. unknowingly to us all, that song set off the rae/ghost team and mafioso rap in general ie influenced every rapper in the game

"half the east coast sound just like rae" - cappadonna on heaterz

but rae and ghost didnt come back out TOGETHER until 95/(or late 94 with heaven and hell).

so the whole 94 which set wu up for the rest of their career, you telliong me street heads only fukked with wu tang cause of one song? cause in 94/95 wu tangwas in their STREET PRIME.

CREAM did more for the streets than any song wu did. and that was rae DECK and METH. ghostface didnt hit his stride until late 94 and in that same time deck or meth would have been seen just as equally STREET as ghost and rae. infact, ghost wasnt even coloful with his shyt yet which is what really caught the streets ear.

street nikkas didnt fukk with Tical? bring the pain, sub crazy, mr sandman. fukk, your all i need is like THE street love song. Biggie was LOVED by the streets and meths on the what. Not inclding meth in yur statement cause he didnt rap purely about selling crack just rubs me the wrongw ay cause meth was NEXT and he was loved by everyone. the streets, the cacs, the inbetweens, the girls, everybody..

I just dont see how you can with absoluite certainty say that rae and ghost were the sole reason for the streets fukking with wu tang when wu tang were loved by the streets, doing all black concerts shooting guns in the air, etc before cuban linx even dropped.

RZA was the main reason for EVERYONE liking wu. the streets loved the rzas beats ie thats why everyone has rapped over all his classics. find any freestyle session from the 90s, from jay z to nas to big to whomever it was all rza tracks.

the streets turned their back on wu in general during wu forever because they dont like being preached to and rather would glorify more negativity wanting another cuban linx type album.

raekwon is a CLASSIC PIONEER of this street rap shyt so yes dude is a prime reason dudes love wu tang. but dude is crazy 1 dimensional. They needed to come out together to get the respect cause ae would have never made it without wu tang. ghostface flipepd his style 3-4 times between 36 and supreme clientele... word in the streets during 2000 was ghost saved teh wu with supreme and that era ghost was less(tho still heavy into) street and more emotional and abstract (ugod had the style first) which made him a cult hero but idk if that helped or hurt his street image in the long run.

but the streets fukkED with method man. they fukkED with the RZA and his beats (RZAs verse on tearz is the classic street tale, not ghosts). Hell pre cuban linx when wu was selling out shows in the hood all the time, DECK was ahead of ghost (and he didnt get the rep for being a knowledge/math rapper until forever)/ ODB was a star on 36 chambers and def is a street dude.

Beinga drug dealer isnt the only way to connect with the streets, but street heads fukked with way more members than just rae and ghost. I mean was nas respected in the streets? if nas was I dont see how half the wu werent when their subject matter was way more into that shyt than nas. You could say GZA was boring and wasnt fly that made the streets love him but homie was dropping songs like"Life of a Drug Dealer" in 91, had a pure street album in liquid swords and was called the head of the crew. His shyt sold the same as Cuban Linx even though you say the streets only fukked with rae and ghost.how is that?

Wu Tang brought EVERY aspect of the streets to their music. the street is more than selling crack and being fly in some hill figure and clarks. the 5% shyt was def the STREETS. the crazy RZA beats were def THE STREETS. The streets fukked with Wu tang, not just raekwon and ghostface.

It was when wu got crazy deep with the lyrics did the streets stop fukking wu tang and start flucking with just rae and ghost but that wasnt even until 2000 my dude...did the streets fukk with Immobilarity? no... and rae was even BETTER lyrically on that album. what was the difference between immobilarity and cuban linx... its a raekwon solo... not a WU solo. That alone shows the wus brand itself is fukked with by the streets because raekwons only successful albums come from when he brandishes his album with that W. Did the streets fukk with Supreme Clientele? YES... why? Cause it was a WU album.

just facts here. I would appreciate any discussion on it. youre looking at wus legacy through the eyes of today forgetting that during wus prime, most members were equal with each other, all loved by the streets equally until they alienated the base and only rae and ghost fit in with the 2000s era gangsta sound. but rae and ghost being the only ones is some 2005-on revisionist long run shyt. The streets been calling wu white boy music for a long time and abstract ghostface and raekwon (99-2007) didnt help none in the eyes of those streets in reality.. How could a crew of 9/10 felons not be loved by "street nikkas" period. Wu tang was loved by all types of people for all types of reasons. and the proof is in raekwon himself who was completely forgotten by the streets for guys like pun/dipset/50 etc until homie slaps that W back on his cds. Like I said, your statement is too black and white to hold all that water.

wu tang is too important a group to say that only 2 members out of 10 hold their rep to the crowd wu makes their music for. They were the streetsb favorites but not the ONLY ones.

Why are people still posting after this post?

 

[King Sun]

@Ayo!-BEZ just merked this thread

 

[Wild self]

while we're on topic, I have a love-hate relationship with the street mentality.

On one hand, real hip hop is so intertwined with the streets that one can never hate on the streets. A lot of golden era rappers wouldn't exist if it wasn't for some street dude funding their demos or giving them shows etc. The whole look of rappers for the longest period came from the fashion street nikkas were rocking. Even the hard attitude and personalities. Hip hop as we know it owes a lot to the streets.

On the other hand, some street dudes are the dumbest and most backward nikkas in the world. And have no creativity. To them, if it aint about bussin guns, it's irrelevant. which is stupid as fukk, because hip hop was created specifically for people to get out of the streets and put their minds to other shyt.

I remember some comment on Youtube about Ghostface's "Childs Play". A dude was saying he thought the song was aight, but he wished Ghost had used to beat to talk about street shyt instead. Like that beat is perfect for talking about cooking and stickups. And I'm thinking: 'what?!'

No wonder the suburbs got bored of the street shyt.

Hip Hop was made to rise above the problems in the streets. Problem is, people got too caught up in the goon shyt and thinking that it was and when it really was both career wise and creativity purposes.

 

[SirBiatch]

Hip Hop was made to rise above the problems in the streets. Problem is, people got too caught up in the goon shyt and thinking that it was and when it really was both career wise and creativity purposes.

and I don't blame them.

Look at how many cacs came on board when NWA debuted. America in general is obsessed with crime. Guns, titties and explosions have been selling for almost a century.

That's why it's so hypocritical to me when people (usually cacs) make this statement about how hip hop is dangerous and violent, and they shouldn't be talking about negative stuff. When in fact little Bobby and Suzie are out there buying it to live out their own fantasies and turn up. Why wouldn't a hood nikka who's starving to death and actually around the real shyt rap about it, especially to profit and get the fukk out?

The stone cold reality is that hip hop is novelty music for most White people. And there has always been a certain fetishism of White people relying on 'dangerous' Black art to explore their own crazy, dark desires. They practically insist on it.

 

[spliz]

Edit: Read the whole thread...I can understand where u coming from but the title is misleading as hell..still shoulda mentioned Meth in the title...not mentioning him is bugged out...

 

[SirBiatch]

They grew to love the wu.
protect ya neck was a slow burn single that never caught on with regular nikkaz.

Just to vouch for what you're saying.... I know an executive at the time who was talking to Flex about Protect Ya Neck when it had just came out. And Flex was like: 'a 5 minute record with guys rapping the entire time and no chorus? That shyt will never fly!'

lol. Nobody really expected Wu to blow but I guess they were like Nirvana. Totally raw and it just caught on. By the way, which is something I really miss about the 80s/90s. You could come with something weird and it would catch on. Music had a lot of pop crap but there was a lot of room for counter culture

Like Art said, there were a lot of Black people who weren't up on hip hop but now wanna act like they were always down. Acceptance of hip hop has come a long way.

 

[Wild self]

and I don't blame them.

Look at how many cacs came on board when NWA debuted. America in general is obsessed with crime. Guns, titties and explosions have been selling for almost a century.

That's why it's so hypocritical to me when people (usually cacs) make this statement about how hip hop is dangerous and violent, and they shouldn't be talking about negative stuff. When in fact little Bobby and Suzie are out there buying it to live out their own fantasies and turn up. Why wouldn't a hood nikka who's starving to death and actually around the real shyt rap about it, especially to profit and get the fukk out?

The stone cold reality is that hip hop is novelty music for most White people. And there has always been a certain fetishism of White people relying on 'dangerous' Black art to explore their own crazy, dark desires. They practically insist on it.

NWA was pushed to neuter Public Enemy's influence. That pro-black shyt don't sit with CACs very well, and they love that super street shyt. Sure, the street rapper may be provided with temporary comfort like a big check from a record label, but the additional damage it sends to Hip Hop and weak-minded people, both black and white, last far longer than the last dollar of that big check being spent. Positive shyt with black people in general don't get much coverage, and "street nikkas" care more about the money and the hype that the latest single has than the quality of music and the message, unfortunately.

 

[Art Barr]

I know for a fact that what's said in the thread title ain't the truth..like at all..first off..mad nikkas in the hood fukked wit the Kung Fu movies heavy...street nikkas fukked wit Wu there really ain't no way around it...I honestly can't believe that u believe what u writin fam...

NY hood has the culture.
so, you suffer from being in the fishbowl.
without any reference to what a regular general nikka without the culture had at that point in time.
at that exact point in time.
the box was not widespread at all.
underground rap radio shows that would have debuted the white label for protect ya neck in late 92.
we're few and far between out of ny.
so, no regular street nikkaz did not mess with wu or rap like that at all in that time frame.
back then, when obfcl came out.
it was MATW, and that is all regular street nikkaz knew like that.
your perception is based and stemmed in the mecca and outside of that is not a regular nikka noncultural based aesthetic.
it would be like saying just because me and my tag crew all were wu crazy and I had the white label to protect ya neck.
like my purchase speaks for every buyer.
when, I know in general most nikka had no idea about rap like that.
especially since at that very time.
there was no new dominant westcoast gsngsta rap group.
from the admin limbo of ruthless/wb/interscope/deathrow.
the only marketing for the smoked death row van to appease that contingent of fans.
fans of gangsta rap did not even have the original deep cover before it was remixed and I know that for a fact.
especially, considering how long it took for just deep cover the remix to catch on and that is dre and snoop.
back then, Regular nikka Did Not Have Ice t, OG OR Freedom Of speech, either.
as, he was caught in the cop Killah backlash and perceived as a confused rock artist instead of good Ole ice t.

Wu tang did not have permeation with street nikkaz in general till obfcl.
I still remember nikkaz who were regular like I got this long ass purple tape that is the best thing I ever heard and I remember these non-cultural nikkaz being swayed into becoming the street guys who listened to culturally based rap artist.
or the street based rap head, we now identify with.
plus, the marketing from Leo Burnett.
created a gate expose of rap in a cultural sense to the common consumer.
also aiding to pr to noobs who were from a street aesthetic.
to become the wu frenzy street based fanbase that the wu would eventually enjoy.
as they furthered their mainstream success.
nikkaz have to remember this culture had an edict against first person drug content.
so, ny cultural based rap never stayed the course with regular non-culturally based listeners.
that is why the ruthless style artist still with easy and later dre were used to usher in the prison economy system.
that is why A guy like krs was completely juxtaposed culturally from his own genre he lengthened.
as, the genre spilled out of the confines of the cultural responsibility as the cautionary tale that rap was, originally.
into a first person account that would soon become the only gateway style of rap music in westcoast gangsta rap.
the wu created an overly covert artistic brand of dope boi rap.
before dope boi was known as a common term.
that had to be broken down and originally.
nobody knew what the fukk, the wu was saying indepthly like that.
even, in the wu's region and yousa motherfukkin lie to say you knew all the references and what the fukk they were talembout.
as, I know anyone saying they knew wu tang content word for word is a lie.
As, I was the first person online deciphering wutang and dela Soul lyrics.
plus, my whole old posting style was built around being covert wu speak in essence.
which is why nikkaz be confused to saying I was originally the Ghostface of sohh.
as, I had to post in that style past just style.
as, I was really in trouble.
so, I continued and went further into that style of expression


Art Barr = Ghostface of sohh

 

[spliz]

NY hood has the culture.
so, you suffer from being in the fishbowl.
without any reference to what a regular general nikka had at that point in time.
at that exact point in time.
the box was not widespread at all.
underground rap radio shows that would have debuted the white label for protect ya neck in late 92.
we're few and far between out of ny.
so, no regular street nikkaz did not mess with wu or rap like that at all in that time frame.
back then, when obfcl came out.
it was MATW, and that is all regular street nikkaz knew like that.
your perception is based and stemmed in the mecca and outside of that is not a regular nikka cultural based aesthetic.
it would be like saying just because me and my tag crew all were wu crazy and I had the white label to protect ya neck.
like my purchase speaks for every buyer.
when, I know in general most nikka had no idea about rap like that.
especially since at that very time.
there was no new and only marketing for the smoked death row van to appease that contingent of fans.
back then, Regular nikka Did Not Have Ice t, OG OR Freedom Of speech, either.
as, he was caught in the cop Killah backlash and perceived as a confused rock artist instead of good Ole ice t.

Wu tang did not have permeation with street nikkaz in general till obfcl.
I still remember nikkaz who were regular like I got this long ass purple tape that is the best thing I ever heard and I remember these non-cultural nikkaz being swayed into becoming the street guys who listened to culturally based rap artist.
plus, the marketing from Leo Burnett.
created a gatewaexpose of rap in a cultural sense to the common consumer.
also aiding to pr to noobs who were from a street aesthetic to become the wu frenzy street based fanbase that the wu would eventually enjoy.
as they furthered their mainstream success.
nikkaz have to remember this culture had an edict against first person drug content.
so, ny cultural based rap never stayed the course with regular non-culturally based listeners.
that is why the ruthless style artist still with easy and later dre were used to usher in the prison economy system.
that is why A guy like krs was completely juxtaposed culturally from his own genre he lengthened.
as, the genre spilled out of the confines of the cultural responsibility as the cautionary tale that rap was.
into a first person account that would soon become the only gateway style of rap music in westcoast gangsta rap.
the wu created an overly covert artistic brand of dope boi rap.
that had to be broken down and originally.
nobody knew what the fukk, the wu was saying indepthly like that.
even, in the region and yousa motherfukkin lie to say you knew all the references and what the fukk they were talembout.
as, I know anyone saying they knew wu tang content word for word is a lie.
As, I was the first person online deciphering wutang and dela Soul lyrics.
plus, my whole old posting style as built around being covert wu speak in essence.
which is why nikkaz be confused to saying I was originally the Ghostface of sohh.


Art Barr

Nah I edited my post cause I wrote it before I read what dude was tryna say....still think Meth should be included tho...

 

[Hammer]

It's between Wu-Tang, Public Enemy and NWA for best group ever imo, so trust this isn't at all a diss thread. However, a lot of street nikkas wasn't fukking with that Kung-Fu/different sounding shyt. Rae and Ghost were the street element. They talked about the real life drug dealings, the poverty all that extra grimey shyt that nikkas dealt with on a daily. nikkas getting shot, stabbed, drug wars etc...

wheres Outkast u dumb fukk