Raekwon and Ghostface is the only reason street nikkas fukked with Wu-Tang Clan

[Zach Lowe]

@Art Barr shut up

 

[Billy Ocean]

its cause your statement is so black and white. your one of my favorite posters, but to name a thread "Rae and Ghost were the ONLY reason street nikkas fukked with wu tang" is completely wrong even if its soaked in reality

can it be so simple is one of the FIRST modern day (post g rap era) east coast drug dealing records in the 90s. unknowingly to us all, that song set off the rae/ghost team and mafioso rap in general ie influenced every rapper in the game

"half the east coast sound just like rae" - cappadonna on heaterz

but rae and ghost didnt come back out TOGETHER until 95/(or late 94 with heaven and hell).

so the whole 94 which set wu up for the rest of their career, you telliong me street heads only fukked with wu tang cause of one song? cause in 94/95 wu tangwas in their STREET PRIME.

CREAM did more for the streets than any song wu did. and that was rae DECK and METH. ghostface didnt hit his stride until late 94 and in that same time deck or meth would have been seen just as equally STREET as ghost and rae. infact, ghost wasnt even coloful with his shyt yet which is what really caught the streets ear.

street nikkas didnt fukk with Tical? bring the pain, sub crazy, mr sandman. fukk, your all i need is like THE street love song. Biggie was LOVED by the streets and meths on the what. Not inclding meth in yur statement cause he didnt rap purely about selling crack just rubs me the wrongw ay cause meth was NEXT and he was loved by everyone. the streets, the cacs, the inbetweens, the girls, everybody..

I just dont see how you can with absoluite certainty say that rae and ghost were the sole reason for the streets fukking with wu tang when wu tang were loved by the streets, doing all black concerts shooting guns in the air, etc before cuban linx even dropped.

RZA was the main reason for EVERYONE liking wu. the streets loved the rzas beats ie thats why everyone has rapped over all his classics. find any freestyle session from the 90s, from jay z to nas to big to whomever it was all rza tracks.

the streets turned their back on wu in general during wu forever because they dont like being preached to and rather would glorify more negativity wanting another cuban linx type album.

raekwon is a CLASSIC PIONEER of this street rap shyt so yes dude is a prime reason dudes love wu tang. but dude is crazy 1 dimensional. They needed to come out together to get the respect cause ae would have never made it without wu tang. ghostface flipepd his style 3-4 times between 36 and supreme clientele... word in the streets during 2000 was ghost saved teh wu with supreme and that era ghost was less(tho still heavy into) street and more emotional and abstract (ugod had the style first) which made him a cult hero but idk if that helped or hurt his street image in the long run.

but the streets fukkED with method man. they fukkED with the RZA and his beats (RZAs verse on tearz is the classic street tale, not ghosts). Hell pre cuban linx when wu was selling out shows in the hood all the time, DECK was ahead of ghost (and he didnt get the rep for being a knowledge/math rapper until forever)/ ODB was a star on 36 chambers and def is a street dude.

Beinga drug dealer isnt the only way to connect with the streets, but street heads fukked with way more members than just rae and ghost. I mean was nas respected in the streets? if nas was I dont see how half the wu werent when their subject matter was way more into that shyt than nas. You could say GZA was boring and wasnt fly that made the streets love him but homie was dropping songs like"Life of a Drug Dealer" in 91, had a pure street album in liquid swords and was called the head of the crew. His shyt sold the same as Cuban Linx even though you say the streets only fukked with rae and ghost.how is that?

Wu Tang brought EVERY aspect of the streets to their music. the street is more than selling crack and being fly in some hill figure and clarks. the 5% shyt was def the STREETS. the crazy RZA beats were def THE STREETS. The streets fukked with Wu tang, not just raekwon and ghostface.

It was when wu got crazy deep with the lyrics did the streets stop fukking wu tang and start flucking with just rae and ghost but that wasnt even until 2000 my dude...did the streets fukk with Immobilarity? no... and rae was even BETTER lyrically on that album. what was the difference between immobilarity and cuban linx... its a raekwon solo... not a WU solo. That alone shows the wus brand itself is fukked with by the streets because raekwons only successful albums come from when he brandishes his album with that W. Did the streets fukk with Supreme Clientele? YES... why? Cause it was a WU album.

just facts here. I would appreciate any discussion on it. youre looking at wus legacy through the eyes of today forgetting that during wus prime, most members were equal with each other, all loved by the streets equally until they alienated the base and only rae and ghost fit in with the 2000s era gangsta sound. but rae and ghost being the only ones is some 2005-on revisionist long run shyt. The streets been calling wu white boy music for a long time and abstract ghostface and raekwon (99-2007) didnt help none in the eyes of those streets in reality.. How could a crew of 9/10 felons not be loved by "street nikkas" period. Wu tang was loved by all types of people for all types of reasons. and the proof is in raekwon himself who was completely forgotten by the streets for guys like pun/dipset/50 etc until homie slaps that W back on his cds. Like I said, your statement is too black and white to hold all that water.

wu tang is too important a group to say that only 2 members out of 10 hold their rep to the crowd wu makes their music for. They were the streetsb favorites but not the ONLY ones.

Thread shoulda been shut down after this. Nothing but facts in this sh!t.

 

[mobbinfms]

wheres Outkast u dumb fukk

Where's Mobb Deep is the better question

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Thread shoulda been shut down after this. Nothing but facts in this sh!t.

thanks billy. . still waiting for @FreshAIG to reply.

 

[FreshAIG]

thanks billy. . still waiting for @FreshAIG to reply.

Honestly I wasn't reading all of that. No disrespect. But your point should be able to be expressed in like 5 sentences tops. I might get around to reading what you said but can you break it down to the main points?

Edit: I skimmed through it. I knowledged earlier that "Only" might have been strong, I should have said "Mainly". Everything else you said was pretty much addressed in this thread and I retorted it. The other members were not talking that street shyt like Rae and Ghost, that's why the street nikkas gravitated towards them. Originally Wu was just a collective, barely anybody knew any individual members aside from Meth because he stood out. Once people started differentiating members and understanding who's who, the street nikkas moved more towards Rae and Ghost because of their content. There's a reason Rae and Ghost are synonymous with each other more than any other members. They spoke on the streets in a much more relatable and direct way.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Honestly I wasn't reading all of that. No disrespect. But your point should be able to be expressed in like 5 sentences tops. I might get around to reading what you said but can you break it down to the main points?

Lol. Come on, Fresh.

He basically was stating what I was stating...that street, hustle n!ggas fvcked with Wu WAYYYYYY before Rae and Ghost got to even put out solo songs and show that they were the fly, street hustle n!ggas on the Wu.

 

[FreshAIG]

Lol. Come on, Fresh.

He basically was stating what I was stating...that street, hustle n!ggas fvcked with Wu WAYYYYYY before Rae and Ghost got to even put out solo songs and show that they were the fly, street hustle n!ggas on the Wu.

I responded to quick lol, I skimmed through what he said. Like I said, I addressed all of that earlier in the thread. Everybody listened to Wu when they came out, that's not really a strong argument. Everybody listened to a lot of popular groups when they came out. My point is when Wu members started differentiating themselves from the pack and they were looked at more as individuals than a collective, street nikkas gravitated towards Rae and Ghost more than all the other members. Street nikkas still fukked with Wu because of Rae and Ghost. They were the nikkas that people were rocking with from 1995-today. There's no other members, not even Method Man, that has nikkas from West, South, Young, Old trying to get them on their records. Just Rae and Ghost. It's not just a "Ny Street nikkas", I mean in the south and west Rae and Ghost are the stand out members, especially to street cats for a reason. Content. The other members were aight and cool to most nikkas on the streets but they weren't fukking with Rae and Ghost.

 

[FreshAIG]

Y'all telling me nikkas on the streets played GZa and RZA as much as Rae and Ghost? Or Meth and Inspectah Deck as much as Rae and Ghost? Lmao. Come on man. Y'all getting offended by something and it makes no sense because it's obvious which two members the streets love. Ain't nobody in the hood playing no fukking U-God and Masta Killa tapes.

 

[Zach Lowe]

fukk #TPC and @ArtBARR you need to shut your old rambling ass thee fukk up.

matter fact fukk @No_bammer_weed
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fukk @illadope old construction paper color in the face ass nikka


@DarlingNikki when you going to let me get in them guts?

 

[spliz]

Honestly I wasn't reading all of that. No disrespect. But your point should be able to be expressed in like 5 sentences tops. I might get around to reading what you said but can you break it down to the main points?

Edit: I skimmed through it. I knowledged earlier that "Only" might have been strong, I should have said "Mainly". Everything else you said was pretty much addressed in this thread and I retorted it. The other members were not talking that street shyt like Rae and Ghost, that's why the street nikkas gravitated towards them. Originally Wu was just a collective, barely anybody knew any individual members aside from Meth because he stood out. Once people started differentiating members and understanding who's who, the street nikkas moved more towards Rae and Ghost because of their content. There's a reason Rae and Ghost are synonymous with each other more than any other members. They spoke on the streets in a much more relatable and direct way.

Fresh I think u really need to add Meth to that "mainly"..Meth got so much love that he got in arguments wit them nikkas cause of jealousy...street nikkas fukked wit Meth heavy..u even got nikkas like 50 Cent who said Meth was basically everything...and hands down his fav member in Wu...

 

[FreshAIG]

Edit: Read the whole thread...I can understand where u coming from but the title is misleading as hell..still shoulda mentioned Meth in the title...not mentioning him is bugged out...

Meth gets love universally but he's not loved by street nikkas like Rae and Ghost, especially post first album. It's a different level. Meth is more in the Redman field. Where Redman is highly respected and loved by everybody (Streets to College Kids) but he's not who the streets gravitate towards like that.

For example, Jay-Z and Beanie Sigel and the Lox. Jay's street right? He raps street shyt, correct? But nikkas on the streets don't relate to his content like they do Sigel and The Lox. If you were in the streets in the late 90s and early 2000s, you're way more likely to hear nikkas bumping some Lox freestyles or some album cut from Sigel more than you would hear them bumping Jay. Jay is a universally loved artist. There's a difference.

 

[FreshAIG]

Fresh I think u really need to add Meth to that "mainly"..Meth got so much love that he got in arguments wit them nikkas cause of jealousy...street nikkas fukked wit Meth heavy..u even got nikkas like 50 Cent who said Meth was basically everything...and hands down his fav member in Wu...

Check my post above. I'm not saying streets don't fukk with Meth, they do, but when I say "gravitate towards" I mean that's who the streets really fukked with one a different level. Like if given the option street nikkas gonna play Rae and Ghost over Method Man. If you looked at a nikka's music selection that's heavy into the street shyt, how many Meth songs you honestly think is gonna be there? Highly doubt many if any post first album. Rae and Ghost? They gonna have 20 years worth of music from them on there.

 

[Billy Ocean]

I responded to quick lol, I skimmed through what he said. Like I said, I addressed all of that earlier in the thread. Everybody listened to Wu when they came out, that's not really a strong argument. Everybody listened to a lot of popular groups when they came out. My point is when Wu members started differentiating themselves from the pack and they were looked at more as individuals than a collective, street nikkas gravitated towards Rae and Ghost more than all the other members. Street nikkas still fukked with Wu because of Rae and Ghost. They were the nikkas that people were rocking with from 1995-today. There's no other members, not even Method Man, that has nikkas from West, South, Young, Old trying to get them on their records. Just Rae and Ghost. It's not just a "Ny Street nikkas", I mean in the south and west Rae and Ghost are the stand out members, especially to street cats for a reason. Content. The other members were aight and cool to most nikkas on the streets but they weren't fukking with Rae and Ghost.

I get what you're saying it's just your initial post and the thread title would lead people to think that you believe that street dudes only fvcked with Wu because of Ghost and Rae, which isn't accurate. And their content may be the reason that they stood out but I believe that they are the members that gets the most love by contemporary hip hop artists and their peers because they're the most consistent, heavily involved in social media and are really dope. If Meth had made a conscious decision to actually put out more projects, collab with more artists and interact more via social media he would be waaaaaaayyyy more popular than both Ghost and Rae combined. Let's be real. Meth is a recluse for the most part and he could've easily been the choice Wu member if he was more out there. He was in the mid 90's and he could've easily continued to be that member if he handled his career differently. It's less the subject matter and more the visibility and quality of music. And cats fvcked with Wu before Cuban Linx not because everybody listened to popular groups when they first come out. They listened because Wu were game changers. They were a large group from NY's most obscure borough and they were all unique, had a distinct yet different NY sound, and had charismatic members (Meth, ODB).

 

[Billy Ocean]

Y'all telling me nikkas on the streets played GZa and RZA as much as Rae and Ghost? Or Meth and Inspectah Deck as much as Rae and Ghost? Lmao. Come on man. Y'all getting offended by something and it makes no sense because it's obvious which two members the streets love. Ain't nobody in the hood playing no fukking U-God and Masta Killa tapes.

I grew up in NY and basically frequented every borough and a buncha hoods. Meth was getting more play in the streets, in the 90's, than Ghost and Rae. Not even a question. When Meth started being incognegro Ghost and Rae was the Wu frontrunners. And also GZA Liqiud Swords was getting as much love by street n!ggas as Cuban Linx.

 

[The Dust King]

ghostface of sohh

nah homey, ghostface dont hate on the god nasir