Raekwon and Ghostface is the only reason street nikkas fukked with Wu-Tang Clan

[FreshAIG]

I get what you're saying it's just your initial post and the thread title would lead people to think that you believe that street dudes only fvcked with Wu because of Ghost and Rae, which isn't accurate. And their content may be the reason that they stood out but I believe that they are the members that gets the most love by contemporary hip hop artists and their peers because they're the most consistent, heavily involved in social media and are really dope. If Meth had made a conscious decision to actually put out more projects, collab with more artists and interact more via social media he would be waaaaaaayyyy more popular than both Ghost and Rae combined. Let's be real. Meth is a recluse for the most part and he could've easily been the choice Wu member if he was more out there. He was in the mid 90's and he could've easily continued to be that member if he handled his career differently. It's less the subject matter and more the visibility and quality of music. And cats fvcked with Wu before Cuban Linx not because everybody listened to popular groups when they first come out. They listened because Wu were game changers. They were a large group from NY's most obscure borough and they were all unique, had a distinct yet different NY sound, and had charismatic members (Meth, ODB).

True the thread title should have been "main" instead of "Only". My point was that regardless people were going to listen to Wu, they were just popular and Rae and Ghost happened to stand out to street cats because of their content. That's all. I don't think Meth would be more popular than Rae and Ghost, at least on a street level if he put out more content. He just didn't make relatable street content like Rae and Ghost. It's like the Redman example I used. Or Jay compared to the Lox. There's just a difference. Almost every rapper as street content but it's the way you put it together that makes street cats fukk with you more than another.

 

[spliz]

Check my post above. I'm not saying streets don't fukk with Meth, they do, but when I say "gravitate towards" I mean that's who the streets really fukked with one a different level. Like if given the option street nikkas gonna play Rae and Ghost over Method Man.

Yea I peeped it..and post first album..nikkas was disappointed in Meth cause the album didn't deliver...Rza had that flood and they had to redo a bunch of shyt..Meth himself dont even like that album...so wit them being disappionted...next up was Rae...and he dropped OBFCL...which was out of this fukkin world dope...the content was crazy...and Rae and Ghost more than delivered...the attention DEF shifted...but let's get it straight..there's a reason things happened the way they did...ur looking at the result rather than the cause...and as far as the Jay shyt...as far as albums...Jay DEF got more burn on the streets...aside from maybe Styles Gangster and a Gentleman...mixtape wise it's different...street nikkas always fukked wit mixtapes and D Block and Sigel got classic mixtapes under they belt...but that don't take away from the fact that if Jay dropped an album..that shyt was bumpin out whips heavy...not as much anymore...but in the prime of his popularity?..no question...

 

[FreshAIG]

I grew up in NY and basically frequented every borough and a buncha hoods. Meth was getting more play in the streets, in the 90's, than Ghost and Rae. Not even a question. When Meth's started being incognegro Ghost and Rae was the Wu frontrunners. Yea. And also GZA Liqiud Swords was getting as much love by street n!ggas as Cuban Linx.

Maybe we just around way different circles because post "Bring the Pain" nobody was bumping Meth like that. I don't even see how they was considering he ain't drop an album from 1994-1998, a big chunk of time, minus a guest spot here and there and even when he eventually dropped that Judgment day album, nobody was bumping shyt off there.

 

[FreshAIG]

I grew up in NY and basically frequented every borough and a buncha hoods. Meth was getting more play in the streets, in the 90's, than Ghost and Rae. Not even a question. When Meth's started being incognegro Ghost and Rae was the Wu frontrunners. Yea. And also GZA Liqiud Swords was getting as much love by street n!ggas as Cuban Linx.

Maybe we just around way different circles because post "Bring the Pain" nobody was bumping Meth like that. I don't even see how they was considering he ain't drop an album from 1994-1998, a big chunk of time, minus a guest spot here and there and even when he eventually dropped that Judgment day album, nobody was bumping shyt off there.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Maybe we just around way different circles because post "Bring the Pain" nobody was bumping Meth like that. I don't even see how they was considering he ain't drop an album from 1994-1998, a big chunk of time, minus a guest spot here and there and even when he eventually dropped that Judgment day album, nobody was bumping shyt off there.

Post Bring the Pain and Tical, Meth didn't put anything out. That's my point. Street cats fvcked with Meth's first album. By the time his second album came out what exactly were the streets playing from Ghost and Rae more than Meth? Street cats was bumping Immobilarity?

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Honestly I wasn't reading all of that. No disrespect. But your point should be able to be expressed in like 5 sentences tops. I might get around to reading what you said but can you break it down to the main points?

Edit: I skimmed through it. I knowledged earlier that "Only" might have been strong, I should have said "Mainly". Everything else you said was pretty much addressed in this thread and I retorted it. The other members were not talking that street shyt like Rae and Ghost, that's why the street nikkas gravitated towards them. Originally Wu was just a collective, barely anybody knew any individual members aside from Meth because he stood out. Once people started differentiating members and understanding who's who, the street nikkas moved more towards Rae and Ghost because of their content. There's a reason Rae and Ghost are synonymous with each other more than any other members. They spoke on the streets in a much more relatable and direct way.

Bolded is some bullshyt i'd expect from a lesser poster. people been readin art barr for years, if i could write that in 2 minutes you could read it in 2 minutes. "Lets talk about a 10 member group using 5 sentences" brehs Dont dare respond telling me im wrong if you only skimming.I think its pretty clear my point has been proven to be true so its all good homie. Theres 10 points proven in there showing you are incorrect. im shocked you said soemthing so that petty to avoid be proven wrong. thats poor posting breh. im shocked breh... you were one of the greats..

Keep the "rules to good forum posting: to yaself . grown man telling em how I shoudlk express my point. i got enough to daps to show you the only one wit a problem. Thats my wu tang breh , I had to set the record straight.

Staten Island Stand Up

 

[FreshAIG]

Bolded is some bullshyt i'd expect from a lesser poster. people been readin art barr for years, if i could write that in 2 minutes you could read it in 2 minutes. "Lets talk about a 10 member group using 5 sentences" brehs Dont dare respond telling me im wrong if you only skimming.I think its pretty clear my point has been proven to be true so its all good homie. Theres 10 points proven in there showing you are incorrect. im shocked you said soemthing so that petty to avoid be proven wrong. thats poor posting breh. im shocked breh... you were one of the greats..

Keep the "rules to good forum posting: to yaself . grown man telling em how I shoudlk express my point. i got enough to daps to show you the only one wit a problem. Thats my wu tang breh , I had to set the record straight.

Staten Island Stand Up

Not really, everything you said was already addressed in this thread. And I retorted it all. It's good though.

 

[FreshAIG]

Post Bring the Pain and Tical, Meth didn't put anything out. That's my point. Street cats fvcked with Meth's first album. By the time his second album came out what exactly were the streets playing from Ghost and Rae more than Meth? Street cats was bumping Immobilarity?

Nah but they were bumping Ghost shyt. Heavy!

 

[Billy Ocean]

Nah but they were bumping Ghost shyt. Heavy!

When Ghost Supreme Clientele dropped, NOBODY really was bumping ANYBODY from Wu. Rae, Meth, ODB...none of them n!ggas. And Ghost sh!t got play every where by everybody not because it was street, fly hood sh!t (most n!ggas ain't even know what the fvck he was talking about on there) but because it was fvcking incredible. Like I said, it has alot to more to do with quality than subject matter.

And also, there's this narrative that's being built that Ghost and Rae been getting love by hip hop artists (mentioned in songs, collab requests) consistently throughout the Wu's existence. Let's not act like that isn't a recent phenomena. Before 4 years ago when Rae got reinvigorated by the Cuban Linx 2 buzz, nobody gave a fvck about Rae, Ghost, Meth, RZA or anybody else on Wu. Let's not make it out like they've been the choice n!ggas in the crew for the past 15 years or some sh!t.

 

[Art Barr]

nah homey, ghostface dont hate on the god nasir

Every thing nas has done to violate the culture is real.
I am not hating.
I am, stating the facts.
another fact is:

Art Barr = Ghostface of sohh

Art Barr = krs of sohh

Art Barr = krs of this community

those are facts, nikka.
what you did was hating.


Art Barr

 

[spliz]

Nah but they were bumping Ghost shyt. Heavy!

son I was one of the only few nikkas I knew who fukked wit Immobilarity...most nikkas ain't fukk wit Rae again until OBFCL2...and wit Ghost...nikkas fukked wit him but it was 4 years between his first and second album fam...if anything Ghost was really the main nikka cats fukked wit after all their respective first projects..he was the one who was the most consistent when it came to quality...

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Ghost wasnt even popping until 95. The street fukked with wu for 2 years before that so i dotn get how you can say the street only fukked with rae and ghost.

Youa re equating hustlers to the entire street. that isnt true breh.

amd I love you @Art Barr but you trying too hard to explain some shti that might not even be totally truth. Youre talking abotu "Cowboy Edict" like its something known to hip hop when you are literally the only person I have ever heard refer to it. Not saying youre wrong, but the streets fukked with wu tang.

Biggies favorite rapper was Method man. 50 cents favorite MC in the wu was Method man. this revisionist history that rae and ghost were THE MAN is soem bullshyt.

Raes run at the top of east coast gangster rap was 95-97. MAYBE. Meth was more popular ALWAYS. dude fell out of the spotlight for 12 whole years, aint nobody gave a flying fukk about a rae album after immobilarity. Lex diamond story didnt have the. Ghost didnt have the hood.They kept it Hood always but ghostface gathered a large contingency of hipster fans after supreme and rae really wasnt shyt until cuban linx 2 again.

Its funny how everyone giving rae props when us few true blue wu fans were the only ones talking about rae for ten years before cuban linx 2.

GZA sold the same as ghost and rae and odb and rza. in 99 EVERY wu member went atleast gold. Deck sold just as much as Rae but youre saying deckw anst shyt? How can you say the streets fukked with anyone more than the other in all honesty. Explain how ghost on 36 is in any way shape or form WAY better than DECK. Deck has the CLASSIC verse on CREAM. Raekwon didnt make cream popular, Method Man did.

Your experiences in the street tells you that. My experiences in the street is after 98 wu tang was old news.I remember being in trenton in 09 telling dudes to bump cuban linx 2 and they looked at me like I was stupid. Rae and ghost might be the best colorful duo of all times in this dope game shyt but that does not in anyway mean they had the ENTIRE streets more than any other member of the wu.

 

[Billy Ocean]

...if anything Ghost was really the main nikka cats fukked wit after all their respective first projects..he was the one who was the most consistent when it came to quality...

And that's basically my point, spliz. Them being the flag bearers for the Wu now is basically because of visibilty and quality of music.

 

[BXKingPin82]

Raekwon and Ghostface epitomize street nikka shyt
shyt my cousin named his son Raequan lol

 

[Billy Ocean]

Biggies favorite rapper was Method man. 50 cents favorite MC in the wu was Method man. this revisionist history that rae and ghost were THE MAN is soem bullshyt.

Facts. 9 times outta 10 you ask some old hustling n!gga who was his favorite Wu member around 93-95 and they'll say Meth.