Raekwon and Ghostface is the only reason street nikkas fukked with Wu-Tang Clan

[spliz]

And that's basically my point, spliz. Them being the flag bearers for the Wu now is basically because of visibilty and quality of music.

Yea I understand both sides but I'm not feeling how much Fresh is oversimplifying things....there is reasons for everything that happened when it came to Wu..

 

[Billy Ocean]

Rae and Ghost are definitely more relatable to the average street hustling cat. No question... but not the only reason that street n!ggas fvcked with Wu. And I think somebody else brought it up in this thread, but most them fly, drug dealing n!ggas will bump whatever music is hot at the moment. Doesn't even necessarily have to be some moving ki's sh!t. There's n!ggas that hustled in the 80's that woulda cracked your cantaloupe if you said some sh!t about KRS-One or Slick Rick. They got fly, hustling n!ggas out here now bumping Drake and Migos over a n!gga like Rick Ross.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Rae and Ghost are definitely more relatable to the average street hustling cat. No question... but not the only reason that street n!ggas fvcked with Wu. And I think somebody else brought it up in this thread, but most them fly, drug dealing n!ggas will bump whatever music is hot at the moment. Doesn't even necessarily have to be some moving ki's sh!t. There's n!ggas that hustled in the 80's that woulda cracked your cantaloupe if you said some sh!t about KRS-One or Slick Rick. They got fly, hustling n!ggas out here now bumping Drake and Migos over a n!gga like Rick Ross.

exactly. I mean their are blanket statements that can be made that generally are true.Wu has a huge white fan base. Wu has a huge international fan base. both TRUE

But splitting wus black fan base into "the streets" and "regular people" is not whats up. The street DID F with rae and ghost. But rae and ghost were NEVER the most popular rapper in the wu while wu was at their strongest. One of wu's strongest assets that brought wus white fans into :the streets" was the 5%er shyt. 5% is from the "street".. and wu helped make it a hip hop staple in the 90s. So fellow 5%'ers who bumped guys liek brand nubian/rakim/krs werent street like the hustlers? its splitting hairs to make a point that doesnt need to be made.

I wanna know who these rappers are the streets fukked with during wus prime because that list must only have 4 rappers on it.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Every thing nas has done to violate the culture is real.
I am not hating.
I am, stating the facts.
another fact is:

Art Barr = Ghostface of sohh

Art Barr = krs of sohh

Art Barr = krs of this community

those are facts, nikka.
what you did was hating.


Art Barr

art lets not go into all taht self praise brother. let the people crown you king

 

[Art Barr]

art lets not go into all taht self praise brother. let the people crown you king

those are not comparisons/declarations/praise/titles, I made about myself.
those were given to me by the people, the community.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Yea I understand both sides but I'm not feeling how much Fresh is oversimplifying things....there is reasons for everything that happened when it came to Wu..

it is pretty simple generalization wise, just as fresh put it.
you guys live in the Mecca.
yet, fresh is objective enough to look outside the Mecca and he made the correct generalization.
as, it pertained to a street based aesthetic and whom that crowd listened to.
@FreshAIG
Is completely and concretely dead on point.


Art Barr

 

[ZEB WALTON]

it is pretty simple generalization wise, just as fresh put it.
you guys live in the Mecca.
yet, fresh is objective enough to look outside the Mecca and he made the correct generalization.
as, it pertained to a street based aesthetic and whom that crowd listened to.
@FreshAIG
Is completely and concretely dead on point.


Art Barr

yet you got 3 people agreeing with him versus about 20 saying otherwiseill agree to disagree but aint neither of you made a concrete point showing its truth.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

those are not comparisons/declarations/praise/titles, I made about myself.
those were given to me by the people, the community.


Art Barr

and by ghostface killah of the community you realize they were dissing you right?

 

[Art Barr]

exactly. I mean their are blanket statements that can be made that generally are true.Wu has a huge white fan base. Wu has a huge international fan base. both TRUE

But splitting wus black fan base into "the streets" and "regular people" is not whats up. The street DID F with rae and ghost. But rae and ghost were NEVER the most popular rapper in the wu while wu was at their strongest. One of wu's strongest assets that brought wus white fans into :the streets" was the 5%er shyt. 5% is from the "street".. and wu helped make it a hip hop staple in the 90s. So fellow 5%'ers who bumped guys liek brand nubian/rakim/krs werent street like the hustlers? its splitting hairs to make a point that doesnt need to be made.

I wanna know who these rappers are the streets fukked with during wus prime because that list must only have 4 rappers on it.

and by ghostface killah of the community you realize they were dissing you right?

how is being called ghostface and krs a diss?
why would you have such little faith and self esteem in the culture to take that as a diss.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

yet you got 3 people agreeing with him versus about 20 saying otherwiseill agree to disagree but aint neither of you made a concrete point showing its truth.

First off how many copies of nwo was sold.
that does not mean it is a culturally commendable album.
so, you trying to use numbers to authenticate your stance is complete bullshyt and deflection to get away from the context based facts.

you have not really recount history.
I can go bold your verbiage that does not at all support what fresh said.
plus, I know you could never have been in the sckreets outside of the ny area.
to think regular street nikka listened to rap at that time like that.
nikkaz back then only knew death row, or interscope gangsta rappers at the top draw of the industry at best.[priority, was grasping at straws, to the point. When obfcl permeated with that fan base that AIG talked about. The next act priority freeze signed to prove aig was accurate was jayz. Who was completely influenced by obfcl]
from a general rap fan standpoint from a street level.

it is just a complete misnomer In History to make it like the culture and culturally minded artists were globally accepted. Let alone, from an aesthetic that had to be purposefully marketed and targeted to get their attention.
especially, since I personally know who the marketer was.
if you went ot.
maybe who you knew being from the culture in a street capacity listened to the Wu.
yet, the general real American street cat in general in 1995.
did not know to listen to rap like that and definitely rae and ghost given the time were their full gateway into wutang past just cream.
as, there was a disconnect on who bought what release.
as, nikkaz who bought doggystyle.
did not also purchase thirty-six chambers and del the same day.
I don't think you were cognitive in the culture then.
As, you can't recount anything from a grassroots to uphold what you say.
whereas, I come from an area that had an actual movement.
yet, that movement in that time on no day.
was a street oriented based movement, based around crime because of the cowboy edict.
also, I know you don't fully know and were not cognitive cause your posting on that timeframe don't match.
I know what was going on from every obfcl single that was released, in both aesthetics.
you, talkin like street nikkaz rocked glaciers of ice as a single before obfcl was released and that is not true.
the bargain on the track listing and the anemiac release schedule.
coupled with budding Leo Burnett marketing in that time frame made it so obfcl was purchased by this contingent of fans we are talembout.
as, a lot of culturally minded purchasers were on the fence about both mobb and obfcl.
while, the fervor from the street aesthetic picked up and also amplified why in the long run obfcl was dually purchased by both sectors.
you continue to talk in a strictly cultural sense and the street nikkaz we talembout.
never fukking gave one iota of a fukk like how you are talking.
before that time, they were not marketed in that particular aesthetic.

a street nikka from the Mecca or ny.
has way more general exposal to the culture.
So, speaking from a ny perspective is not indicative of what AIG meant.
as, street guys from ny are immersed in the Mecca.
outside of ny, nobody from a street persepctive gave or gives a fukk abOut hiphop like that.
They never really did and still don't.
yet, in that kernel of time.
Leo Burnett provided the marketing.
that made obfcl a gateway into wutang.
for the street aesthetic style listeners heavy into crime.
I know this because I handled promos for heaven and hell, it's a shame and month of the man.
plus, could not get anyone outside of the seven bboys other than me on msu to give a fukk.
nor, could I give the excess away till I got back home to Chicago from msu.

Before that the wu was a grassroots cultural phenomenon, and permeation with that crowd was a one time thing on cream before obfcl.

Art Barr

 

[spliz]

it is pretty simple generalization wise, just as fresh put it.
you guys live in the Mecca.
yet, fresh is objective enough to look outside the Mecca and he made the correct generalization.
as, it pertained to a street based aesthetic and whom that crowd listened to.
@FreshAIG
Is completely and concretely dead on point.


Art Barr

Then he shouldve been more specific if he wasn't talkin bout NY...like I said....but honestly...Wu Tang is one of the reasons NY was gettin it's luster back considering the West Coast shyt was goin hard at the time...with Nas and especially Biggie adding to it of course..I just can't get wit the generalized oversimplified statements...like the one made in the thread title...

 

[Art Barr]

Then he shouldve been more specific if he wasn't talkin bout NY...like I said....but honestly...Wu Tang is one of the reasons NY was gettin it's luster back considering the West Coast shyt was goin hard at the time...Nas and and especially Biggie adding to it of course..I just can't get wit the generalized oversimplified statements...like the one made in the thread title...

it is true statement and you failed to see its valid true merit because you self equated on the topic.
as people of the culture, even if we are the pop marketed genre, or formerly.
you can never think culturally you are the general rule.
as, culturally hophop was not embraced.
hip hop from a general consumer standpoint is only where it is because of the prison economy market.
it was put in the position it was to further and elongate the pool of possible prisoners to profit on.
Plus, how to identify those possible prospective prisoners.
it was not because they loved hip hop.
or really gave a fukk about the culture like that.


Art Barr

 

[ZEB WALTON]

how is being called ghostface and krs a diss?
why would you have such little faith and self esteem in the culture to take that as a diss.

Art Barr

your abstract posts are supreme clientele ish and hard to understand. Youre in my top 5 posters breh, just saying. IDK why you coming with what your coming with. props to you tho brother,

 

[Art Barr]

your abstract posts are supreme clientele ish and hard to understand. Youre in my top 5 posters breh, just saying. IDK why you coming with what your coming with. props to you tho brother,

it has been said before and holds true tot his day now.
you have to really be about the culture.
to fully understand my posts and it is not my job.
to make you want to give your life over to said culture for real.
when, you do....
you don't have an issue with my content post to post.
if you have a question about a post or a kernel of history culturally I reference.
I am cool enough to explain.
yet, that does not mean you may have the cultural base to get what my explanation maybe.

Art Barr

 

[ZEB WALTON]

First off how many copies of nwo was sold.
that does not mean it is a culturally commendable album.
so, you trying to use numbers to authenticate your stance is complete bullshyt and deflection to get away from the context based facts.

you have not really recount history.
I can go bold your verbiage that does not at all support what fresh said.
[NUMBER 1] plus, I know you could never have been in the sckreets outside of the ny area.
to think regular street nikka listened to rap at that time like that.
nikkaz back then only knew death row, or interscope gangsta rappers at the top draw of the industry at best.[priority, was grasping at straws, to the point. When obfcl permeated with that fan base that AIG talked about. The next act priority freeze signed to prove aig was accurate was jayz. Who was completely influenced by obfcl]
from a general rap fan standpoint from a street level.

[NUMBER 2]it is just a complete misnomer In History to make it like the culture and culturally minded artists were globally accepted. Let alone, from an aesthetic that had to be purposefully marketed and targeted to get their attention.
especially, since I personally know who the marketer was.
if you went ot.
maybe who you knew being from the culture in a street capacity listened to the Wu.
yet, [NUMBER 3]the general real American street cat in general in 1995.
did not know to listen to rap like that and definitely rae and ghost given the time were their full gateway into wutang past just cream.
as, there was a disconnect on who bought what release.
as, nikkaz who bought doggystyle.
did not also purchase thirty-six chambers and del the same day.
I don't think you were cognitive in the culture then.
As, you can't recount anything from a grassroots to uphold what you say.
whereas, I come from an area that had an actual movement.
yet, that movement in that time on no day.
was a street oriented based movement, based around crime because of the cowboy edict.
also, I know you don't fully know and were not cognitive cause your posting on that timeframe don't match.
I know what was going on from every obfcl single that was released, in both aesthetics.
[NUMBER 4]you, talkin like street nikkaz rocked glaciers of ice as a single before obfcl was released and that is not true.
the bargain on the track listing and the anemiac release schedule.
coupled with budding Leo Burnett marketing in that time frame made it so obfcl was purchased by this contingent of fans we are talembout.
as, a lot of culturally minded purchasers were on the fence about both mobb and obfcl.
while, the fervor from the street aesthetic picked up and also amplified why in the long run obfcl was dually purchased by both sectors.
[NUMBER 5]you continue to talk in a strictly cultural sense and the street nikkaz we talembout.
never fukking gave one iota of a fukk like how you are talking.
before that time, they were not marketed in that particular aesthetic.

[NUMBER 6]a street nikka from the Mecca or ny.
has way more general exposal to the culture.
So, speaking from a ny perspective is not indicative of what AIG meant.
as, street guys from ny are immersed in the Mecca.
[NUMBER 7]outside of ny, nobody from a street persepctive gave or gives a fukk abOut hiphop like that.
They never really did and still don't.
yet, in that kernel of time.
Leo Burnett provided the marketing.
that made obfcl a gateway into wutang.
for the street aesthetic style listeners heavy into crime.
I know this because I handled promos for heaven and hell, it's a shame and month of the man.
[NUMBER 8]plus, could not get anyone outside of the seven bboys other than me on msu to give a fukk.
nor, could I give the excess away till I got back home to Chicago from msu.

Before that the wu was a grassroots cultural phenomenon, and permeation with that crowd was a one time thing on cream before obfcl.

Art Barr

NUMBER 1: you are correct. Im from NY, and hip hop has been very big in NYC for quite a long time. I dont know where you get that the average street head wasnt bumping hip hop in the 90s because EVERYONE on staten island at the time listened to wu tang and if a small number of blacks/latinos on stat bumped and all the whites did too.. I dont see how youre justifying what you're saying. Soa small number of people bumped hip hop in the early 90s? 36 chambers still went gold, meth went platinum. 10 years later when hip hop was a gloal phenomenom, rae still sold gold, meth still went platinum.

Basically by saying few people in the street listened to hip hop (which in NYC is not true, idk what yall did in chicago but NYC is THE MECCA) and wu tang was one of the streets favorites along with biggie smalls, nas, mobb deep, etc... and they all sold similar numbers... why is wu NOT street again? That literally dont make sense bro. youre talking yourself into a circle just tof ill space right now.

NUMBER 2: We are not talking about their global fans. we are talking about the streets favorite and thats it.

NUMBER 3: Even if yu can proove this, which you cant.. who were they listening to then? Wuw as bushes except for rae and ghost youve been saying... So whoa re these rappers the "streets" listened to.

NUMBER 4: How can you even say that when i blatantly went out of my way to show ghostface wasnt popping until AFTER cuban linx dropped. You guys are the ones acting like the streets were all over ghost since day 1 when thats totally NOT true. You saying that is making me look at ya whole post sideways because thats totally NOT what i said. The streets bumped wu tanga s a whole. if they didnt, whoa re all thsoe people at those early wu shows? why did people like CAM model his crew after wu tang (COTC), why was biggie bumping "M.E.T.H.OH shyt, look at the hips and the lips on that bytch" on ready to die.

Basically all the STREETS favorite artists STANNED wu tang and took ideas from Wu Tang but the streets those same rappers came from DONT fukk with WU? ZERO SENSE MADE

NUMBER 5: im not the one telling the world how the world was thinking. Yall are. To say the streets didntf uck with the wu tang clan when wu tang clan is abotu the purist form of hip hop from the streets PERIOD is asinine.

NUMBER 6: and im from NY so that explains why I think the way I do.

NUMBER 7: Possibly.. i dont know how heads in otehr areas were. But I would assume the streets of LA fukked wit death row, the streets of NY fukked with Wu/Biggie. This has been documented in history for 20 years now.

NUMBER 8: so you gathered all this from handing out singles from NYC artists in chicago? Of course people have to be marketed out of town. So cause people didnt take your wu tang singles that emans tehyw erent popping? Meanwhile 20 years later we're still arguing about how culturally important they were


WHY are you guys taking wus fan base and turning the HUSTLER section to the ENTIRE streets. was 5% a street philosophy? Are the chances high that you were part of the cause you were in the street? Do tehse people not count.. cause ill tell you what. that shyt didnt relate to any white people, so who were they talking to?


On the Streets for 20 years:

in wus prime people didnt see it as RAE and GHOST, or METH and DIRT, or RZA and GZA. they seen ti as WUTANGCLAN. The GREATEST hip hop group of all time, ina music which is teh SOUND OF THE STREETS... yea only 2/10 were poppin in the hood. its completely false.

I want a list of rappers the streets fukked with in 1994. i ened to see this shyt cause if the streets didntf uck with wu, who everyone was influenced by, I'd like to see who you name,