Raekwon and Ghostface is the only reason street nikkas fukked with Wu-Tang Clan

[ZEB WALTON]

it has been said before and holds true tot his day now.
you have to really be about the culture.
to fully understand my posts and it is not my job.
to make you want to give your life over to said culture for real.
when, you do....
you don't have an issue with my content post to post.
if you have a question about a post or a kernel of history culturally I reference.
I am cool enough to explain.
yet, that does not mean you may have the cultural base to get what my explanation maybe.

Art Barr

I take the time to understand you bro. im just making sense of the world

 

[The Dust King]

I am not hating.
I am, stating the facts.

anybody who critiques nas as much as you have yet champions camron is bias.

so no; you are niether ghostface or KRS as they both show respect to nas

it is pretty simple generalization wise, just as fresh put it.
you guys live in the Mecca.
yet, fresh is objective enough to look outside the Mecca and he made the correct generalization.
as, it pertained to a street based aesthetic and whom that crowd listened to.
@FreshAIG
Is completely and concretely dead on point.

Art Barr

actually theres multiple posters in here including myself who disagreed with fresh and articulated themselves well

yet you single out fresh for bein from the mecca and ignore the rest of our input (@Billy Ocean , @Ayo!-BEZ , @spliz etc) because it isnt compatible with your beliefs

 

[FluffyCorleone]

Raekwon and Ghostface is the only reason street nikkas fukked with Wu-Tang Clan

 

[The Dust King]

NUMBER 1: you are correct. Im from NY, and hip hop has been very big in NYC for quite a long time. I dont know where you get that the average street head wasnt bumping hip hop in the 90s because EVERYONE on staten island at the time listened to wu tang and if a small number of blacks/latinos on stat bumped and all the whites did too.. I dont see how youre justifying what you're saying. Soa small number of people bumped hip hop in the early 90s? 36 chambers still went gold, meth went platinum. 10 years later when hip hop was a gloal phenomenom, rae still sold gold, meth still went platinum.

Basically by saying few people in the street listened to hip hop (which in NYC is not true, idk what yall did in chicago but NYC is THE MECCA) and wu tang was one of the streets favorites along with biggie smalls, nas, mobb deep, etc... and they all sold similar numbers... why is wu NOT street again? That literally dont make sense bro. youre talking yourself into a circle just tof ill space right now.

NUMBER 2: We are not talking about their global fans. we are talking about the streets favorite and thats it.

NUMBER 3: Even if yu can proove this, which you cant.. who were they listening to then? Wuw as bushes except for rae and ghost youve been saying... So whoa re these rappers the "streets" listened to.

NUMBER 4: How can you even say that when i blatantly went out of my way to show ghostface wasnt popping until AFTER cuban linx dropped. You guys are the ones acting like the streets were all over ghost since day 1 when thats totally NOT true. You saying that is making me look at ya whole post sideways because thats totally NOT what i said. The streets bumped wu tanga s a whole. if they didnt, whoa re all thsoe people at those early wu shows? why did people like CAM model his crew after wu tang (COTC), why was biggie bumping "M.E.T.H.OH shyt, look at the hips and the lips on that bytch" on ready to die.

Basically all the STREETS favorite artists STANNED wu tang and took ideas from Wu Tang but the streets those same rappers came from DONT fukk with WU? ZERO SENSE MADE

NUMBER 5: im not the one telling the world how the world was thinking. Yall are. To say the streets didntf uck with the wu tang clan when wu tang clan is abotu the purist form of hip hop from the streets PERIOD is asinine.

NUMBER 6: and im from NY so that explains why I think the way I do.

NUMBER 7: Possibly.. i dont know how heads in otehr areas were. But I would assume the streets of LA fukked wit death row, the streets of NY fukked with Wu/Biggie. This has been documented in history for 20 years now.

NUMBER 8: so you gathered all this from handing out singles from NYC artists in chicago? Of course people have to be marketed out of town. So cause people didnt take your wu tang singles that emans tehyw erent popping? Meanwhile 20 years later we're still arguing about how culturally important they were


WHY are you guys taking wus fan base and turning the HUSTLER section to the ENTIRE streets. was 5% a street philosophy? Are the chances high that you were part of the cause you were in the street? Do tehse people not count.. cause ill tell you what. that shyt didnt relate to any white people, so who were they talking to?


On the Streets for 20 years:

in wus prime people didnt see it as RAE and GHOST, or METH and DIRT, or RZA and GZA. they seen ti as WUTANGCLAN. The GREATEST hip hop group of all time, ina music which is teh SOUND OF THE STREETS... yea only 2/10 were poppin in the hood. its completely false.

I want a list of rappers the streets fukked with in 1994. i ened to see this shyt cause if the streets didntf uck with wu, who everyone was influenced by, I'd like to see who you name,

breh artbarr obvious is living vicariously thru @FreshAIG

nikka talkin about the average american in 1995 in comparison to NY like we average or some shyt

the truth is @Art Barr knows a lot but he cant know about everything and this is that proof

yeah they werent bumpin glaciers of ice till fukkin 96 cuz everyone was still playin GZA!!!!!!

 

[Art Barr]

NUMBER 1: you are correct. Im from NY, and hip hop has been very big in NYC for quite a long time. I dont know where you get that the average street head

you have two issues.
you don't understand verbiage and you self equate from your existence in nyc.
which has clouded your vision to thinking i am making an attack upon the mecca.
when, i have never disrespected the mecca.

Verbiage: Look at the thread title then look how you misinterpreted what was put in text..
he said street nikka, not street heads.
there is a huge difference between a head and a street nikka.
you failed to recognize this is not about your self equated journey and homebase.
this waS A general statement about what globally was and what street nikkaz gravitated towards.

You came on here mentioning staten island and the locale.
when, that does not fit into the aesthetic of what freshaig meant at all.
plus, via verbiage clearly distincted against.

wasnt bumping hip hop in the 90s because EVERYONE on staten island at the time listened to wu tang and if a small number of blacks/latinos on stat bumped and all the whites did too.. I dont see how youre justifying what you're saying. Soa small number of people bumped hip hop in the early 90s? 36 chambers still went gold, meth went platinum. 10 years later when hip hop was a gloal phenomenom, rae still sold gold, meth still went platinum.

plus, here is more of you not being fully knowledgeable about where, whom, what Sam meant and posted.
plus, you don't know domestic sales dispersal by region.
which would easily show you were wrong as well.
plus, you continue to post about this from your self equated locale in nyc.
this thread and the content is not about nyc.
culturally yes, there were bboys everywhwre.
yet, that population would dwindle in volume and numbers the further you are away from the mecca, naturally.
sumfin, I am not sure given your posting illustrate your experience outside of nyc.

Basically by saying few people in the street listened to hip hop (which in NYC is not true, idk what yall did in chicago but NYC is THE MECCA) and wu tang was one of the streets favorites along with biggie smalls, nas, mobb deep, etc... and they all sold similar numbers... why is wu NOT street again? That literally dont make sense bro. youre talking yourself into a circle just tof ill space right now.

MORE, of your self equation and inability to see the culture and people who are not apart of the culture outside of nyc.
you talk like an ignorant dance hall fan in jamaica.
that thinks in the states dance hall is played consistently outside of Jamaica and it is an wealthy healthy abundance of like dance hall minded fans in abundance outside of Jamaica in consistent abundance when it is not true.
plus, you don't illustrate ny history to know about the prison economy system to how rap was marketed globally starting in mid95.

NUMBER 2: We are not talking about their global fans. we are talking about the streets favorite and thats it.

AGAIN, VERBIAGE.

It does not say street favorites. It says street nikkaz,...those are two fukkin different fukkin things.
which is why I know you don't know this answer cause that verbiage does not resonate with you.
as you can not and consistently continue to misquote and raise the wrong points in this thread.
all through the thread and here you continue to try to change the scope of the thread with simple verbiage mistake and that is why you are wrong.
Sam said street nikkaz,..
not street favorites,....
street favorite's is not street nikkaz, period.

NUMBER 3: Even if yu can proove this, which you cant.. who were they listening to then? Wuw as bushes except for rae and ghost youve been saying... So whoa re these rappers the "streets" listened to.

Again verbiage,....
you missed again,...you said streets listening to.
Sam said street nikkaz, that is completely different from what the streets listened to.

NUMBER 4: How can you even say that when i blatantly out of my way to show ghostface wasnt popping until AFTER cuban linx dropped. You guys are the ones acting like the streets were all over ghost since day 1 when thats totally NOT true. You saying that is making me look at ya whole post sideways because thats totally NOT what i said. The streets bumped wu tanga s a whole. if they didnt, whoa re all thsoe people at those early wu shows? why did people like CAM model his crew after wu tang (COTC), why was biggie bumping "M.E.T.H.OH shyt, look at the hips and the lips on that bytch" on ready to die.

AGAIN, more self equation to nyc and the mecca.
when, Sam said street nikkaz.
that means everywhere globally, in the domestic us.
not just your self equated locale of the mecca.
More, proof in a titan graph I had to point out you don't get verbiage.
plus, still continue to self equate all street nikkaz from your self antiquated bubble of only meaning nyc.
Sam said street nikkaz and the reason why other regions, not me.
yet, other regions have disconnect to the culture is because of what you are doing.
self equating everything about where you are at and not globally.

[

Basically all the STREETS favorite artists STANNED wu tang and took ideas from Wu Tang but the streets those same rappers came from DONT fukk with WU? ZERO SENSE MADE

Again, more of your self equated homerism for the mecca.
that you think street rappers who know of wu are in the majority of street nikkaz who generally are just gateway and general fans of rap.
they are not,..
most street rappers and street nikkaz who indulge in rap from a general perspective are not affluent about hiphop culture like that.
how do you not know this.
have you been out of nyc and in a region that was not mecca eccentric.

NUMBER 5: im not the one telling the world how the world was thinking. Yall are. To say the streets didntf uck with the wu tang clan when wu tang clan is abotu the purist form of hip hop from the streets PERIOD is asinine.

SMH, at you thinking wu tang at that time that a westcoast gateway rap fan was this affluent aficionado of the culture of hiphop.
especially at this time as even MTV was not fully programmed to be about having a cultural direction.
so, where did the entire world ramp up on hiphop in a global sense that fast.
to change the direction of the prison economy system's ruthless/wb/interscope.
when, hiphop was not even marketed to its full power by Leo burnett.

NUMBER 6: and im from NY so that explains why I think the way I do.

YOU, self equated and that is one of the first easily identifiable errors you can make in human life. When, an issue causes for global based thinking.
you can not ever self equate if the issue is not about you.
that is law of actual life and dialogue/action.

NUMBER 7: Possibly.. i dont know how heads in otehr areas were. But I would assume the streets of LA fukked wit death row, the streets of NY fukked with Wu/Biggie. This has been documented in history for 20 years now

NUMBER 8: so you gathered all this from handing out singles from NYC artists in chicago? Of course people have to be marketed out of town. So cause people didnt take your wu tang singles that emans tehyw erent popping? Meanwhile 20 years later we're still arguing about how culturally important they were

This just illustrates you skim and don't read in full.
as, i posted what college I was at and it was not in chicago.
the problem with you.
you are not thorough and your lack of attention to detail and verbiage.
just in this quote show it and I consistently pointed that out.
you are the one not comprehending what was said and from a self equated stance.
where you feel just because you are from nyc.
you think you have a better understanding of the wu and their impact and you have a fishbowl syndrome idea of the culture/society/locale.
that is only indicative of nyc.
you are in error, my dude.

Not me or Mr sam...
you are wrong and I pointed this out and you admitted to it, in section 6.

WHY are you guys taking wus fan base and turning the HUSTLER section to the ENTIRE streets. was 5% a street philosophy? Are the chances high that you were part of the cause you were in the street? Do tehse people not count.. cause ill tell you what. that shyt didnt relate to any white people, so who were they talking to?


On the Streets for 20 years:

in wus prime people didnt see it as RAE and GHOST, or METH and DIRT, or RZA and GZA. they seen ti as WUTANGCLAN. The GREATEST hip hop group of all time, ina music which is teh SOUND OF THE STREETS... yea only 2/10 were poppin in the hood. its completely false.

I want a list of rappers the streets fukked with in 1994. i ened to see this shyt cause if the streets didntf uck with wu, who everyone was influenced by, I'd like to see who you name,

You talking like in 1994, the cultural artist you or I covet.
were romanced by common rap listeners.
[Believe me they not gon play let's organize, my nikka]
plus, street nikkaz and that is where you fail.
you fail to see, that outside of the mecca.
it is few and far between, that you will find a knowledgeable person or bboy/bgirl readily outside of the mecca..
Every cultural artist you and I covet, from 94.
were not select listening by the aesthetic and contingent of fans, outside the mecca.
now, you can make A Titan graph list of releases in 1994.
then, I can tell if said street nikkaz were playing, in general.
it won't be a long list, of culturally accepted rappers for that time period.
it may not be any culturally accepted rappers at all.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

breh artbarr obvious is living vicariously thru @FreshAIG

nikka talkin about the average american in 1995 in comparison to NY like we average or some shyt

the truth is @Art Barr knows a lot but he cant know about everything and this is that proof

yeah they werent bumpin glaciers of ice till fukkin 96 cuz everyone was still playin GZA!!!!!!

Unless, you trying to disprove or dispute what I am saying and you can't because I am factually and culturally sound.
on a level you are not at and you are from the mecca.
you lack'n on this shyt and from the mecca.
so, what are you really saying.
all you are really saying is me and sam have a better grasp on this than you.
when, yes...
me and Sam have a better grasp on this than you and we are the two top posters globally all time in the spot/booth.
so, what the fukk are you saying.
I never met sam and we don't talk on the phone like I do to other legends around here.
or, other posters on here.
yet, me and him always are on point and always similarly agree cause we know the culture and facts better than you and every other poster here on the culture as far as sound discussion of the pillars are concerned.
especially, the business of rap as an extension of the two pillars.
thus has been proven as far back as the usual suspects.
for me as far back online as Davey d and Internet ghetto blaster.
so, yes...
I do know and it is proven I know more about this than you do.

You know it and everyone in this forums knows it, too.
plus, you from the mecca and you not really well versed all the way in the culture.
if, you were you would be that nikka on here like:


Art Barr

Even, If you ramp up.
You still not gon ever be regarded better than:

Art Barr

 

[prophecypro]

Streets nikkas fukked with those Meth, GZA and ODB albums heavy when they dropped

 

[ZEB WALTON]

i enjoyed our debate, im celebrating my victory at homeover some blue shark/ductmasters. let it be known... wu tang is forever

 

[Billy Ocean]

@Art Barr in here wildin

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Unless, you trying to disprove or dispute what I am saying and you can't because I am factually and culturally sound.
on a level you are not at and you are from the mecca.
you lack'n on this shyt and from the mecca.
so, what are you really saying.
all you are really saying is me and sam have a better grasp on this than you.
when, yes...
me and Sam have a better grasp on this than you and we are the two top posters globally all time in the spot/booth.
so, what the fukk are you saying.
I never met sam and we don't talk on the phone like I do to other legends around here.
or, other posters on here.
yet, me and him always are on point and always similarly agree cause we know the culture and facts better than you and every other poster here on the culture as far as sound discussion of the pillars are concerned.
especially, the business of rap as an extension of the two pillars.
thus has been proven as far back as the usual suspects.
for me as far back online as Davey d and Internet ghetto blaster.
so, yes...
I do know and it is proven I know more about this than you do.

You know it and everyone in this forums knows it, too.
plus, you from the mecca and you not really well versed all the way in the culture.
if, you were you would be that nikka on here like:


Art Barr

Even, If you ramp up.
You still not gon ever be regarded better than:

Art Barr

hey art, listen. dont get nasty bro. im keeping it civil

im keeping it civil
im speaking from the heart
im from nyc and everyone was bumping wu tang clan
aint noone gave a fucj about the furious 5 in 90
street dudes werent listening to heavy meta.
you really sittin there saying aint no people bumping hiphop in 90s
but people care about cowboy of furious

you used tgo have more quality in your posts
and i mean that from the heart
you aint even you

so dont presume to be thepeoples champ

the day you jadakisses legacy over method mans
is the day your name stopped carrying the weight of the words in your posts


im not feeling where this conversation went

we talking wu tang and you believin in your own internet hype

just sayingbrother
ask @MC Metaphysical
ask @King Sun
ask @K-Deini

i am that dude and my hip hop knowledge is upto par
with anyone and everyone

so you need to ground yourself in this place called reality

because when the lighting strikes
those rubber boots you rocking will not protect you

cause when it comes crashing down

and it hurts inside

godbless you sir
but respect will be given when it is rfeceived
brush me off again
and it will be you
who gets the tables
circa randy savage memphis

belie that!


;)

 

[FreshAIG]

Maino says it perfectly here, 8:30-10:00 mark

 

[Art Barr]

hey art, listen. dont get nasty bro. im keeping it civil

im keeping it civil
im speaking from the heart
im from nyc and everyone was bumping wu tang clan
aint noone gave a fucj about the furious 5 in 90
street dudes werent listening to heavy meta.
you really sittin there saying aint no people bumping hiphop in 90s
but people care about cowboy of furious

you used tgo have more quality in your posts
and i mean that from the heart
you aint even you

so dont presume to be thepeoples champ

the day you jadakisses legacy over method mans
is the day your name stopped carrying the weight of the words in your posts


im not feeling where this conversation went

we talking wu tang and you believin in your own internet hype

just sayingbrother
ask @MC Metaphysical
ask @King Sun
ask @K-Deini

i am that dude and my hip hop knowledge is upto par
with anyone and everyone

so you need to ground yourself in this place called reality

because when the lighting strikes
those rubber boots you rocking will not protect you

cause when it comes crashing down

and it hurts inside

godbless you sir
but respect will be given when it is rfeceived
brush me off again
and it will be you
who gets the tables
circa randy savage memphis

belie that!


;)

I think you forgot to log out of your alias account.
or, you was so geeked't to get some table footage.
you did not realize that post you replied to was not directed at you.


Art Barr

 

[Billy Ocean]

Maino says it perfectly here, 8:30-10:00 mark

He said Rae and Ghost were speaking his language, that drug dealing street sh!t. He also said he ALREADY was a Wu fan before Cuban Linx. He was a street cat that fvcked with Wu BEFORE Rae and Ghost did the Mafioso sh!t. That clip just basically points out what I been saying about your thread title and initial post. Basically this thread's title is click bait and you already admitted it's not factual. Also, we already pointed out that 50 Cent, Biggie and many other street, hustle rappers have named Method Man as their favorite out the Wu.

 

[Art Barr]

And for all you nikkaz that think wu tang was played by street nikkaz in general, EVERYWHERE.

in 1994, there existed no prevalent club scene that is as diverse in listening as it is now.
you had ghetto, or culture.
maybe it was hiphop culture, or reggae culture, etc.
yet, there was a completely different vibe to that aesthetic COM-fukk'N-PLETELY!
yet, there existed vast differences.
I enjoyed this culture we call hiphop more than anyone I know.
yet, u know for a fact,....
wasn't no WU TANG BEING fukkING PLAYED AT WHAT'S POPPIN

or a u phi u house party, a Blackstone party, dj sluggo and dj chip, at the y, the wherehouse, ferrari club, etc.

That is where street nikkaz were.
in house based ghetto functions, gear completely juxtaposed from hiphop entirely.
in said venue, wasn't no rap ever being played fukkin ever.
when, I say rap is cultural music.
it is cultural music you nikkaz get to partake in that are not apart of the culture.
now, for my breh-thren, of the coli.
I can not believe you would be this naive still.
to think that just because you saw the marketing boom of hiphop occur.
plus everyone romanced it, that they give a fukk about it like that.
I adore y'all my mecca people but you don't have any idea that away from the mecca.
unless, it is some rare nikka like me.
there is not as much hiphop for real as you thought when you thought it was.
I ain't mad at your fight or outrage.
yet, the mecca has given you what I wish I got but real talk,...
having it real like this in a real Rastafari way where I know I am alone and the only as a beginning is better.
as, I don't ever readily believe just because you play a rap song.
that you are a bboy or bgirl in hiphop.
you, guys need to learn that and maybe you don't see how warped out of our favor culturally it is because you live in the mecca.

Other than that,....
y'all bugging.
jumping to table a nikka off the wrong quote not directed to you and shyt.
Or, you forgetting to log in and out and do proper alias work.
I ain't even got an alias and I would think if I had one.
I would remember to log back into mY account for

Art Barr

@Art Barr in here wildin

How am I Wilding though.
when, my guy @Ayo!-BEZ can't even get verbiage right.
or, reply to the right messages Correctly


Art Barr

 

[Billy Ocean]

How am I Wilding though.
when, my guy @Ayo!-BEZ can't even get verbiage right.
or, reply to the right messages Correctly


Art Barr

@Ayo!-BEZ schooling you in here. You gettin washed, Art. Fresh himself already admitted several times that the thread title isn't accurate. Leave it alone, brother. Everybody who lived through those times, and have a credible memory KNOWS street cats fvcked with Wu heavy even before Rae and Ghost got shine.