Racists already mad on Twitter due to commercials

[theworldismine13]

It's an ethnic, not simply a linguistic problem. The French identity of the Quebecois people is not simply grounded in language, but a history as a completely separate colony/settlement derived from a completely different country. Many of their separatist-leaning people don't consider their province truly part of Canada proper. That's very different from immigrants coming here and setting up a Chinatown or whatever. That aside, though, the government is discussing it because it's obvious that one province's right-wing politicians is profiting from divisive rhetoric and stirring resentment. It doesn't mean anything like an actual secession is in the works, though. In order for that to happen, they'd need permission from the federal government, which wouldn't happen, and illegal secession a la the American Confederacy is unthinkable in the modern West. Also, Canada's response to French problems is explicitly multiculturalist- even though French is a minority language whose ancestral speakers are mostly restricted to only 1 province, you can conduct all official business in it no matter where you are in the country, and it has the status of a 2nd official language alongside English. Their constitution explicitly mandates catering to minorities in most circumstances.

Here's the constitutional reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_Twenty-seven_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

They have also passed additional pro-multiculturalism laws: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Multiculturalism_Act

who told you that the french quebec identity was not grounded on language? it certainly wasnt a french canadian from quebec, now you are just making up shyt

language is at the core of the differences, that is self evident

i was not equating french canadians with immigrants, i was simply using canada as an example of what happens when multiculturalism goes too far

i made no predictions about the future of canada or whether quebec will successfully secede, honestly i dont care, i was just pointing at that that is the current situation, people are trying to secede from canada and language is at the core of the dispute, that is all i was saying, just the fact that the canadian government is discussing its breakup is itself a failure of multiculturalism

im saying multiculturalism is bad, integration and assimilation is good, so im not sure what the rest of your post was in response to

 

[theworldismine13]

And what if the govt is wrong in the direction it is trying to head the country in, as govts have been many times and still are in many cases (including a lot of fundamental American policy)?

im not sure i follow the question, if the government policy is wrong then its up to the people to change the policy through elections or civil actions

Can you provide any empirical proof that diverse populations are harder to govern?

yeah there is a continent called europe, and then there is a continent called africa and of course canada

anybody that has studied those areas would understand how language differences make governing harder

What are your metrics for ease of governance? What about empirical proof of diverse populations having less social cohesion? No theories or forced conclusions please, you have been touting these things w/no kind of outside sources to validate your claims... I'm asking for them now.

actually it was the real that put me on to this guy, i already knew it but this dude studied the issues

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital

 

[The Real]

who told you that the french quebec identity was not grounded on language? it certainly wasnt a french canadian from quebec, now you are just making up shyt

language is at the core of the differences, that is self evident

i was not equating french canadians with immigrants, i was simply using canada as an example of what happens when multiculturalism goes too far

i made no predictions about the future of canada or whether quebec will successfully secede, honestly i dont care, i was just pointing at that that is the current situation, people are trying to secede from canada and language is at the core of the dispute, that is all i was saying, just the fact that the canandian government is discussing its breakup is itself a failure of multiculturalism

im saying multiculturalism is bad, integration and assimilation is good, so im not sure what the rest of your post was in response to

Actually, it was. I have a good friend from there, not that who said it matters. I've done my own research, too, besides having been there myself. Language is not at the "core" of the differences. All Canadians learn French in school. Everything from street signs to milk cartons have both French and English on them. I gave you a fuller context for the divide in my previous post.

 

[Batman]

French isn't mandatory anymore. I dropped French for Spanish in 10th grade.

Only reason to learn French is if you're working a Federal job.

 

[theworldismine13]

Actually, it was. I have a good friend from there, not that who said it matters. I've done my own research, too, besides having been there myself. Language is not at the "core" of the differences. All Canadians learn French in school. Everything from street signs to milk cartons have both French and English on them. I gave you a fuller context for the divide in my previous post.

breh just stop it

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

next commercial is gonna have a bi-racial baby, cacs will be furious

I just thought this commercial was a heavy dose of unfiltered ether to racist cacs. Cheerios was like "oh you had a problem with the original commercial? Ight then we gonna air another one on the biggest tv night of the year and make the couple pregnant"


No fukks given. And the fact that I had honey nut Cheerios this morning made it even sweeter

 

[theworldismine13]

Did i read that because natives were forced while not forcing other to assimilate THAT was their doom?

You're going to have to explain that one to me because I'm pretty sure they weren't in much of a position to force anyone to do shyt. I'm pretty sure it's been widely accepted that disease doomed them. Let me guess, had they forced small pox to assimilate and become more native things would have worked out differently?

Damn that multiculturalism.

my point is that the principles im saying (that multiculturalism is bad and makes it hard to govern) apply to any country or society

dude brought up native americans, so i said cool, lets apply those principles from the POV of native americans

if native americans wanted to survive and thrive, the only real solution for the native americans was to stop the ships from landing and/or kill all the colonists or integrate them into their societies, obviously they were not able to muster the force to kill the colonists and stop them from landing, but IN THEORY im saying even being friendly with the colonists and respecting their culture, which some of them did, was a mistake too

 

[Matt504]

@theworldismine13 if the world could have one universal language, what would you suggest that language be?

 

[NoMayo15]

@theworldismine13 has a hilariously simplistic view of history and world events. Not speaking English does not make one any less of an American. Good day, sir.

 

[theworldismine13]

Being corny or not is irrelevant to this discussion.

what discussion are you talking about? i thought we were discussing the commercial

How did it try to imply that English is not fundamental to being American?

because it was singing an iconic american song in different languages, so the implication is that speaking in all these different languages is american

No one in this thread but you thinks of language as a zero-sum game between competing alternatives.

and yeah i do think in america it should be a zero sum game as far as english, its very important that english be a common bond across the entire population especially with all the other differences we have

if the united states is just a bunch of people that happen to be living in the same geographic area then the united states will cease to exist, the united states has to have a common culture and common language to continue to exist and thrive

 

[theworldismine13]

@theworldismine13 has a hilariously simplistic view of history and world events. Not speaking English does not make one any less of an American. Good day, sir.

breh, with the exception of native americans, if you dont speak english you are not american

 

[theworldismine13]

@theworldismine13 if the world could have one universal language, what would you suggest that language be?

i have no idea, esperanto?

im just talking about the us tho, in the us the common language should be english and that should be pushed heavily and immigrants should understand that they will eventually be giving up their language if they come to the us

 

[NoMayo15]

breh, with the exception of native americans, if you dont speak english you are not american

According to what or whom?

 

[theworldismine13]

According to what or whom?

according to reality

obviously people are trying to change that, hence this coke commercial

 

[bzb]

got these racists, their apologist and c00n affiliates sitting behind keyboards fuming. on some...