Essential Quick Lil Gems on Dealing with Women

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yeah she came out and told you whats up, a lot of times chicks will just start ignoring your phonecalls and text or start cancelling on you hoping you are going to get the hint. I like to be upfront and i expect that from a woman im seeing regardless of how long we are dating.

right now im seeing this one chick had a great first date, lots of kissing, holding hands, arms around each other, chilled at her crib for a little bit, and ive have been talking every day since. we were suppose to go out last night, but when I brought it up on tuesday night she said she couldnt make it that she had forgotten that she had to do something. She apologized said she had every intention on seeing me and would try to clear her schedule for tonight. Talked to her throughout the day yesterday, but havent heard from her today. There has been no mention of tonight. I must admit I want to text her and ask if we are getting together tonight, but the ball is in her court time for her to step up.

I hate that, you want to text but then you dont want send more than 2 texts in a row max.. You sitting there like, I know she aint about to flake on me
 

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I hate that, you want to text but then you dont want send more than 2 texts in a row max.. You sitting there like, I know she aint about to flake on me

But the thing is, depending on her insecurity, women want for a man to be on them like that. @Mr210, hopefully you get a the scoope on her past. Women with insecurities are touch to deal with breh.
 

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I hate that, you want to text but then you dont want send more than 2 texts in a row max.. You sitting there like, I know she aint about to flake on me


Yeah, me and this girl have been talking for about a week and a half, ive intiated first contact probably like 60 percent of the time, normally I would have hit her up today, but since today was the day that our date was suppose to be rescheduled , its on her. If I dont hear from her, there is a 99% chance I will cut her, I just hope she isnt waiting for me to hit her up.
 

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i'm reading this book about a male professor and a female student who fall in crazy love but the professor fukks over the student eventually...

the female student knows this guy at home who she is great friends with and deep down she knows she would be perfect for him but she pretty much think he is too safe and too boring and not what she really wants.

after this great friend confesses her love to her and tells her how great their life will be it goes ... 'tears began to stream down her face, she knew that he was saying was true. but knowing the truth and wanting the truth are two very different things'

just reaffirming that good guys finish last, friend zone is a cruel place
 

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Thinking about going through with Arranged marriage the muslim way... Been getting a few offers from some righteous families that want me to marry their daughters and sisters... :ehh:
 

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no more double texting fam, i've been guilty of this but i'm done with that shyt. nikkas have to STOP that shyt

it just shows your desperate and bytches don't like that shyt, they want the chase
they always get the text message, aint no girl missing her messages
 

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no more double texting fam, i've been guilty of this but i'm done with that shyt. nikkas have to STOP that shyt

it just shows your desperate and bytches don't like that shyt, they want the chase
they always get the text message, aint no girl missing her messages


what happened? I never double text a chick im just dating ive done it with gfs before but even that is rare
 

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what happened? I never double text a chick im just dating ive done it with gfs before but even that is rare

oh nah, not too recently. just looking at my past decisions. i'd always double text this one chick because sometimes she'd flat our ignore more and always say 'sorry blah blah' after the second text almost immediately. i've went out with her a few times, last time was 2 months ago even after double texting and shyt but now i don't do it anymore and we just don't talk anymore
 

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man im really perplexed by this one chick I met, got me really analyzing what the hell is happening, even though I know what it is, I guess im just unwilling to come to gripes with it
 

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man im really perplexed by this one chick I met, got me really analyzing what the hell is happening, even though I know what it is, I guess im just unwilling to come to gripes with it

give us some details mayne
 

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“A woman in love can’t be reasonable, otherwise she wouldn’t be in love”
— Mae West


Last week The Chateau posted an article about a Beta male asking girls for reasons why they rejected him. In the typical deductive logic that most Betas are prone to use, he runs down a checklist of questions regarding what he thinks killed his chances with the girls he thought he could get with. He petitions four women with questions about themselves, which, being women, all are more than eager to answer.

Do you usually figure out if you wanna do more than make out with someone pretty instantly? Or, is it a slow burn?

Was there anything I did wrong that turned you off?

If you had advice for any guy looking to meet a girl, what would it be?

What makes someone attractive to you? Do you have any types?

Do you feel that you could never date someone shorter than you?

Am I an unattractive person to you?

These are some of the more common questions John Brown puts to the girls, and true to form the girls answer with the standard feminine boilerplate responses that absolve themselves of their part in his rejection, while trying not to hurt the feelings of a guy they knew would never see them naked. With the exception of maybe Vanessa, it’s pretty clear that John’s punching well above his blue-pill weight with these girls even though I’d only rate Victoria as the only HB8 in the bunch.

The questioning is what I’ve come to expect from most chumps mired in their blue pill bubble of applying logic to their sexlessness, but it’s not John’s overt grilling of these women that’s keeping him trapped in the Matrix – it’s his buildups and followups to those questions. John isn’t just interviewing them to ‘get to the bottom of things’ so he can solve his sex problem, he’s leading these women with ‘if then’ logic in an effort to convince them that, by their own words, they should be attracted to him.

John is make the most fundamental error every plugged in chump makes — he’s appealing to women’s reason.

Why Women Can’t ‘Just Get It

Appealing to women’s logic and relying on deductive reasoning to sort it out is the calling card of a Beta mind. There is nothing more anti-seductive for women than appealing to her reason. Arousal, attraction, sexual tension, sub-communication of desire, all happen indirectly and below the social surface for women. It’s not that women are incapable of reasoning (hypergamy is one logical bytch) or are crippled by their emotion-based hindbrains, it’s that if you’re asking her how to be more attractive you don’t Get It. It’s in the doing, not the asking.

If you read through the responses these women give John from a red pill perspective, you’ll see a pattern emerge. On an intrinsic, subliminal level, women understand that their genuine desire, their genuine arousal and attraction, has to be an organic process. When a guy like John makes attempts to convince a woman that by her own reasoning (and led by his) she should be with him intimately, it offends and then cancels that process for her.

For women, one of the qualities of the Alpha her Hypergamy demands is a guy who Just Gets It. An Alpha would intrinsically know what women’s arousal and attraction cues are without being told and without even the inclination to ask about them. John’s issue of overtly confirming for himself ‘what women want’ is really an abdication of a Beta who doesn’t get it. And true to form, John’s, and Betas like him, next logical resort is to rationally convince a woman (preferably using her own words) to be attracted to him by attempting to re-impress her of his status.

Betas like this generally end up as the infamous emotional tampon, or theSurrogate Boyfriend to a woman who’s banging the most Alpha Man her looks can attract. However, this appeal-to-reason rationale filters into other aspects of men’s lives. The logical progression for John would be to betteridentify with the women (really the feminine imperative) he hopes to bang in the future – embody the feminine prerequisites, get the intimate approval. For married or monogamous men this appeal-to-reason may come as a mistaken belief that doing more chores around the house will lead to more (or any) sex for him.

The fallacy of Relational Equity is essentially founded on men’s dependency on appeals to women’s reason. Your doing homework with your children to better their lives (while very ennobling) doesn’t make your wife any hotter for you in bed, nor will it be any bargaining tool should she decide to leave you. Just as John is learning here, women don’t fall in love with who you are, they fall in love with what you are, and no appeal to their reason will convince them otherwise.

Red Pill Women

There’s a lot being made in the manosphere about the emergence of red pill or Game aware women. I’m on record for stating that every woman is a red pill woman, it’s just getting them to drop the feminine-primary, psychological pretense and cop to red pill truths that’s the trick. While I do share the generally wariness of self-identifying “Red Pill Women” and their potential for sanitizing or repurposing Game-awareness to a better feminine liking, I think most women are already aware of the truth of Game. There’s a very real danger in Men accepting “red pill women’s” conversion and acceptance of those truths for exactly the appeal-to-reason dynamic I’ve described here.

Red pill women’s acceptance of what the manosphere forces them to acknowledge about themselves is essentially a convincing appeal to their reason, and this will always make their “conversion” suspect. Regardless of their reported red pill self-awareness, red pill women still want a guy to Just Get It, their desire still can’t be negotiated, and as illogical as it may seem to a manosphere Man, hoping to appeal to the same reason that made her “red pill” still wont get you laid.

Red pill or not, women are still women, and basing any relationship you have with them on appealing to their reason, rather than solid Game awareness and truths, is building you house on a foundation of sand.

http://therationalmale.com/
 

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give us some details mayne




its going to be long but basically I meet this chick a little over two weeks ago online, after exchanging messages for about 4 days I ask for her number. She says it sounds like a great idea. I attempt to call her the following day, she doesnt answer but sends a text message about 3 hrs later saying that it was late but that we will talk the next day. I didnt call her the next day or anything like that and I didnt hear from her either, well the following day she hits me up by text saying that she is sorry she hasnt gotten back to me but she has been busy at work (she had told me in advance she works long hours). So we start exchanging text back and forth and talk briefly on the phone twice for like 3 days and then I set something up for the weekend which she says yes. We have a great time, she makes the first move by grabbing my hand. We kiss through out the night and I have my arms around her. She comes off for lowkey, simple, but intelligent (she has a masters). Throughout the night she talks about "we" and different things she wants us to do. I drop her back at her place go inside for awhile, more kissing and then she says I should go before I break her first date rule. She walks me to my car we continue to talk more. She tells me to text her when I get home so she knows I made it home safely. She mentions having a great time several times. Ok, so during the date I set something up for the upcoming monday. She tells me that has to work late but that afterwards we will grab something to eat. Well it hits 9pm that night, hadnt heard anything from her so I text her. Her response is that she was just about to text me that her meeting ran late and then she had to come home to work on a powerpoint. I was annoyed but i let it go, try to set something up for tuesday but she cant and ask me about wednesday which I cant (she even sends me a sad face when i tell her that). So a couple of days later I go out of town, but she ask that i text her before my plane leaves and when it lands, which I do. We communicate throughout the time Im gone (she even sends me a sad face asking when im coming back), and I set something up for the day I come back which was yesterday. Well tuesday night she tells me she cant make the date on wednesday because of special prayer (she is muslim and wed was the last day of ramadan). I ask her why did she agree to the date, which she replies she had forgotten until her dad reminded. She apologizes for making me angry and stated that it was her full intention to see me wednesday night. She offers thursday night because she is going out of town this weekend. I tell her that im not mad but that im big on communication.She replies that she knows she sucks at communicating and that she will get better. She tells me again she wanted to see me and that she will try to clear thursday night (tonight) for us. well I havent heard from her today. I didnt send her a text or call because i feel like the ball is in her court and that it was time for her to step up. Its coming off that she is playing games with me, but the little I know about her and from our date that was like 3 1/2 hours I dont get that vibe from her. Im thinking should i just ask her and put the cards on the table and see whats up, or should I just fall back and see if she hits me up. I guess ive never had a first date go so well yet im still not knowing where her head is. Near the end of the date we even talk about how our families see things when it comes to interracial dating.
 

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its going to be long but basically I meet this chick a little over two weeks ago online, after exchanging messages for about 4 days I ask for her number. She says it sounds like a great idea. I attempt to call her the following day, she doesnt answer but sends a text message about 3 hrs later saying that it was late but that we will talk the next day. I didnt call her the next day or anything like that and I didnt hear from her either, well the following day she hits me up by text saying that she is sorry she hasnt gotten back to me but she has been busy at work (she had told me in advance she works long hours). So we start exchanging text back and forth and talk briefly on the phone twice for like 3 days and then I set something up for the weekend which she says yes. We have a great time, she makes the first move by grabbing my hand. We kiss through out the night and I have my arms around her. She comes off for lowkey, simple, but intelligent (she has a masters). Throughout the night she talks about "we" and different things she wants us to do. I drop her back at her place go inside for awhile, more kissing and then she says I should go before I break her first date rule. She walks me to my car we continue to talk more. She tells me to text her when I get home so she knows I made it home safely. She mentions having a great time several times. Ok, so during the date I set something up for the upcoming monday. She tells me that has to work late but that afterwards we will grab something to eat. Well it hits 9pm that night, hadnt heard anything from her so I text her. Her response is that she was just about to text me that her meeting ran late and then she had to come home to work on a powerpoint. I was annoyed but i let it go, try to set something up for tuesday but she cant and ask me about wednesday which I cant (she even sends me a sad face when i tell her that). So a couple of days later I go out of town, but she ask that i text her before my plane leaves and when it lands, which I do. We communicate throughout the time Im gone (she even sends me a sad face asking when im coming back), and I set something up for the day I come back which was yesterday. Well tuesday night she tells me she cant make the date on wednesday because of special prayer (she is muslim and wed was the last day of ramadan). I ask her why did she agree to the date, which she replies she had forgotten until her dad reminded. She apologizes for making me angry and stated that it was her full intention to see me wednesday night. She offers thursday night because she is going out of town this weekend. I tell her that im not mad but that im big on communication.She replies that she knows she sucks at communicating and that she will get better. She tells me again she wanted to see me and that she will try to clear thursday night (tonight) for us. well I havent heard from her today. I didnt send her a text or call because i feel like the ball is in her court and that it was time for her to step up. Its coming off that she is playing games with me, but the little I know about her and from our date that was like 3 1/2 hours I dont get that vibe from her. Im thinking should i just ask her and put the cards on the table and see whats up, or should I just fall back and see if she hits me up. I guess ive never had a first date go so well yet im still not knowing where her head is. Near the end of the date we even talk about how our families see things when it comes to interracial dating.

well i feel you're in a good position right now, first date seemed awesome
honestly i feel you could've fukked the first date if it wasn't during ramadam, next time you go out with her you can probably fukk

only thing that is throwing me off is the 'we' talk on a first date, that comes off sort of clingy, but since she is muslim i wouldn't dwell too far into that thinking.

maybe this is real dumb thinking but maybe she wants to have sex on your next date, and she really can't until Eid is over, so she's just waiting. so I say see if she hits you up tomorrow, if not hit her up sunday afternoon then you can put the ball in her court then. yea she probably is somewhat playing games though, most do. but i have a realllly good feeling she will end up texting you first eventually in the next few days, don't overanalyze, just chill out
 

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“A woman in love can’t be reasonable, otherwise she wouldn’t be in love”
— Mae West


Last week The Chateau posted an article about a Beta male asking girls for reasons why they rejected him. In the typical deductive logic that most Betas are prone to use, he runs down a checklist of questions regarding what he thinks killed his chances with the girls he thought he could get with. He petitions four women with questions about themselves, which, being women, all are more than eager to answer.

Do you usually figure out if you wanna do more than make out with someone pretty instantly? Or, is it a slow burn?

Was there anything I did wrong that turned you off?

If you had advice for any guy looking to meet a girl, what would it be?

What makes someone attractive to you? Do you have any types?

Do you feel that you could never date someone shorter than you?

Am I an unattractive person to you?


These are some of the more common questions John Brown puts to the girls, and true to form the girls answer with the standard feminine boilerplate responses that absolve themselves of their part in his rejection, while trying not to hurt the feelings of a guy they knew would never see them naked. With the exception of maybe Vanessa, it’s pretty clear that John’s punching well above his blue-pill weight with these girls even though I’d only rate Victoria as the only HB8 in the bunch.

The questioning is what I’ve come to expect from most chumps mired in their blue pill bubble of applying logic to their sexlessness, but it’s not John’s overt grilling of these women that’s keeping him trapped in the Matrix – it’s his buildups and followups to those questions. John isn’t just interviewing them to ‘get to the bottom of things’ so he can solve his sex problem, he’s leading these women with ‘if then’ logic in an effort to convince them that, by their own words, they should be attracted to him.

John is make the most fundamental error every plugged in chump makes — he’s appealing to women’s reason.

Why Women Can’t ‘Just Get It

Appealing to women’s logic and relying on deductive reasoning to sort it out is the calling card of a Beta mind. There is nothing more anti-seductive for women than appealing to her reason. Arousal, attraction, sexual tension, sub-communication of desire, all happen indirectly and below the social surface for women. It’s not that women are incapable of reasoning (hypergamy is one logical bytch) or are crippled by their emotion-based hindbrains, it’s that if you’re asking her how to be more attractive you don’t Get It. It’s in the doing, not the asking.

If you read through the responses these women give John from a red pill perspective, you’ll see a pattern emerge. On an intrinsic, subliminal level, women understand that their genuine desire, their genuine arousal and attraction, has to be an organic process. When a guy like John makes attempts to convince a woman that by her own reasoning (and led by his) she should be with him intimately, it offends and then cancels that process for her.

For women, one of the qualities of the Alpha her Hypergamy demands is a guy who Just Gets It. An Alpha would intrinsically know what women’s arousal and attraction cues are without being told and without even the inclination to ask about them. John’s issue of overtly confirming for himself ‘what women want’ is really an abdication of a Beta who doesn’t get it. And true to form, John’s, and Betas like him, next logical resort is to rationally convince a woman (preferably using her own words) to be attracted to him by attempting to re-impress her of his status.

Betas like this generally end up as the infamous emotional tampon, or theSurrogate Boyfriend to a woman who’s banging the most Alpha Man her looks can attract. However, this appeal-to-reason rationale filters into other aspects of men’s lives. The logical progression for John would be to betteridentify with the women (really the feminine imperative) he hopes to bang in the future – embody the feminine prerequisites, get the intimate approval. For married or monogamous men this appeal-to-reason may come as a mistaken belief that doing more chores around the house will lead to more (or any) sex for him.

The fallacy of Relational Equity is essentially founded on men’s dependency on appeals to women’s reason. Your doing homework with your children to better their lives (while very ennobling) doesn’t make your wife any hotter for you in bed, nor will it be any bargaining tool should she decide to leave you. Just as John is learning here, women don’t fall in love with who you are, they fall in love with what you are, and no appeal to their reason will convince them otherwise.

Red Pill Women

There’s a lot being made in the manosphere about the emergence of red pill or Game aware women. I’m on record for stating that every woman is a red pill woman, it’s just getting them to drop the feminine-primary, psychological pretense and cop to red pill truths that’s the trick. While I do share the generally wariness of self-identifying “Red Pill Women” and their potential for sanitizing or repurposing Game-awareness to a better feminine liking, I think most women are already aware of the truth of Game. There’s a very real danger in Men accepting “red pill women’s” conversion and acceptance of those truths for exactly the appeal-to-reason dynamic I’ve described here.

Red pill women’s acceptance of what the manosphere forces them to acknowledge about themselves is essentially a convincing appeal to their reason, and this will always make their “conversion” suspect. Regardless of their reported red pill self-awareness, red pill women still want a guy to Just Get It, their desire still can’t be negotiated, and as illogical as it may seem to a manosphere Man, hoping to appeal to the same reason that made her “red pill” still wont get you laid.

Red pill or not, women are still women, and basing any relationship you have with them on appealing to their reason, rather than solid Game awareness and truths, is building you house on a foundation of sand.

http://therationalmale.com/
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