Essential Quick Lil Gems on Dealing with Women

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Something I want to hip ya'll on is that it is VERY important to maintain your own morals and boundaries. Sometimes I get the notion that men get this idea that becoming a scumbag will help them with women... and to an extent it will help you with SOME kind of women, but really, are your own morals and character that low that it can be discarded for easier access into certain vaginas? Certain women ARE infatuated with thug mcthizzles and criminals, but do you want to emulate a lifestyle in an attempt to get taht kind of woman? A woman who will end up peeling off when she realizes you aren't really about that lifestyle, but merely emulating it? And why would you want to be in the company of a woman whose idea of leadership is self-destructive living? The thing is, you CAN maintain your morals and get high quality women. It may lower your pool, aka your quantity of women, but the actual women you will be dealing with will be much higher.

Now, the problem a lot of men have is that they got this misaligned concept of what really attracts a woman. I will go into that shortly. The typical behaviors many men look at respectful are really passive styled behaviors that will turn her off.

So many guys get confused by this. For them its either be a passive simp or be an a$$hole and they don't see what's in between. Its not the fact a guy is an a$$hole that's attractive to women, its the traits that come along with that. Confidence, aggressiveness, and decisiveness are a few examples. Its entirely possible to have these traits and still be a good dude.
 
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This reminds of the many situations I have witnessed firsthand in which the man treats the woman like she is completely nothing. Sometimes when reflecting on my previous situations with women, I honestly feel that the biggest mistake I made in dealing with them was not treating them like garbage or close to it. I did not put any of those females on a pedestal, but I treated them in a way like how I wanted to be treated, with respect of course.

But the point is that treating any woman with an ounce of human decency/respect seems to prove to be counterproductive every time and doing the opposite or rather dogging a woman the fukk out garners love and respect from her. Maybe I am wrong but based on what I have seen and experienced in my life so far, maybe I am not.

I think you're confusing being respectful with being passive.
 

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On being an a$$hole or a nice guy:

In my personal experiences, it's never really been about being either a nice guy or an a$$hole. I never really thought that personalities existed on that kind of a binary scale, rather than a spectrum. In other words, you have to have the best of both worlds. You can assert authority without having to resort to being a brazen a$$hole and you can be a genuinely good person without being a doormat.

In my humble opinion, it's not the actual being a brazen a$$hole that attracts women, just the confidence that it seems to reflect. Women see a guy who's confident enough to treat them like garbage and see a man who must have lots to offer them if he acts as if he doesn't even need to treat them well in order to get in their pants. The "nice guys" are looking like they're trying to qualify themselves because they need to, rather than acting like they've already arrived and therefore have nothing to prove to the beautiful women.

You don't have to throw morality out of the window in order to assert this kind of confidence. It's come down to a few easy-to-follow steps for me:

  • Maintaining a cool composure at all times. Think somewhere along the lines of "Don Draper" from Mad Men. There's a reason why he's so popular with women despite being seen as a sexist. :smugdraper:
  • Adding some bass into your voice. A deep voice will put women at ease because of the low tone and the authority that it suggests. :myman:
  • DITCH THE GOOFY HUMOR!!! Witty wins out every day of the week! Goofy acts will get women to laugh, but deep down, they're laughing at you, not with you. :lolbron:
  • Don't be afraid to stick up for a woman, or anyone for that matter if you see them getting mistreated. Just do so in an AUTHORITATIVE and confident way. Again, you don't have to throw morality out the window just to be attractive. :salute:

Above all else, make sure that you're respected and taken care of first. Once you're self-sustaining and in full control of your own life, you can branch out and really begin to assert authority over and protect others. Don't go into a process of self-immolation just to "save" a woman from hurting herself further. You're doing yourself and her a major disservice that way.
 

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Brehs I hate to change the subject up on ya'll but, what do ya'll do when you got a girl that wants to mess with you but she the kind that only opens the legs if she wifey. Buuut at the same time you don't want a relationship and neither does she.

She wants to stay friends and stuff but I'm not sure I'm down for all that. She pretty much wants me to wait for her. I mean I wouldn't mind wifing her up at all but it's just not the right time for me and I'm not sure when the right time will be. And it's tough though cause she really likes hanging out with me and all that. But I can never be just friends with this girl. What do I do?
 

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Brehs I hate to change the subject up on ya'll but, what do ya'll do when you got a girl that wants to mess with you but she the kind that only opens the legs if she wifey. Buuut at the same time you don't want a relationship and neither does she.
She wants to stay friends and stuff but I'm not sure I'm down for all that. She pretty much wants me to wait for her. I mean I wouldn't mind wifing her up at all but it's just not the right time for me and I'm not sure when the right time will be. And it's tough though cause she really likes hanging out with me and all that. But I can never be just friends with this girl. What do I do?

brehs this is my roommate. hoping the goat posters come out of the woodwork with their input. :ohlawd:
 

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The thing I'm seeing about a lot of these 'pick-up' blogs is they seem to associate this term alpha as 'the man to be', and they pretty much describe being a player as synonymous with 'being an alpha.' While they do have a lot of valid advice in attracting women, the problem with a lot of what I start to read on those blogs and forums is that they are pretty much vagina slaves. In other words, they define their manhood based upon how many whores they can slam their johnson into. This is a pathetic metric to base one's manhood upon. Women are a PART of your life. They are not your whole life. These are sort of reverse simps. They do the opposite of catering to what a woman says she wants, which is the simp, but ultimately, they end up catering themselves and crafting their whole persona to what a woman responds to in order to have sex with her. Now there is nothing wrong with changing your mindset to be more successful with women, but when you completely change your personality and pretty much the whole focus on your existence is crafting yourself into an individual who sleeps with as many women as possible, you are headed down an destructive path. For one, when you look back on your life, do you really want your only real accomplishment to be having slept with a lot of women? Instead of actually achieving something, the epitome of your life was popping one off into the vaginas of random whores. That is a pathetic life. Let's not overlook the pregnancies and the resulting child support payments and the possible, life ruining stds. So then, where you should take the 'PUA', "alpha" knowledge is just learning the tactics of how to attract and keep a high quality woman. This is the 'offense' part of your campaign. But to go beyond that and to discard your morals and to completely mold yourself into a new individual whose sole purpose is to have as many whores as possible isn't the way to go.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have the MGTOW. These guys have simply checked out of the game. You don't want to end up in this camp either. Like the Bible says, it is not good for man to be alone. But what you DO take from them is you learn defense from them. These guys have been taken through the ringer and have been abused by women and the court system, so they have essentially turned into woman haters. You need to learn the knowledge that they have to avoid being ruined by women, but you have to be careful you don't get into a mindframe where you start women bashing and start to hate women and just completely check out of the game and refuse to deal with women at all.

You have to meld the offense of the PUA and the defense of the MGTOW into your own cohesive strategy and utilize that to find a high quality woman. But with that said, you simply must come to realize that there is MUCH more to life than simply attracting and having a woman, and you must never sacrifice righteous principles in order to obtain women. Women are a PART of your life. They are not your life.
 

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Brehs I hate to change the subject up on ya'll but, what do ya'll do when you got a girl that wants to mess with you but she the kind that only opens the legs if she wifey. Buuut at the same time you don't want a relationship and neither does she.

She wants to stay friends and stuff but I'm not sure I'm down for all that. She pretty much wants me to wait for her. I mean I wouldn't mind wifing her up at all but it's just not the right time for me and I'm not sure when the right time will be. And it's tough though cause she really likes hanging out with me and all that. But I can never be just friends with this girl. What do I do?

You need to carefully consider whether you are passing up a decent woman to play the field. You might have that playing itch in your system, but as many men here will attest to, when you pass up the decent ones, you go on to regret it later because you will realize real quickly that all the hoes out there are not worth having a solid woman.

Now, from what you're saying is that she won't sleep with you unless she is wifey, but she isn't interested in a relationship with you and you aren't interested in one with her. You are pretty much trying to keep her as a back-up plan and she is doing the same to you, but from your words, it seems as if she isn't really feeling you 'like that. From what you said, it sounds like she's friend zoned you and put you into that 'you'd make excellent husband material' category... so she will play that miss sweet game with you of talking about i only sleep with men who wife me up game...She doesn't want a relationship with you right now, but wants you to wait on her? Yup, friend zone... aka the real term is failure zone.

Never 'wait up' on a woman to start feeling you. If you have too much emotions, then simply move on and let her know you're not feeling the friendship thing. Never waste precious time 'waiting' on a woman to start feeling you. There's too many other women out there who actually want to see what you're about.
 

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You need to carefully consider whether you are passing up a decent woman to play the field. You might have that playing itch in your system, but as many men here will attest to, when you pass up the decent ones, you go on to regret it later because you will realize real quickly that all the hoes out there are not worth having a solid woman.

Now, from what you're saying is that she won't sleep with you unless she is wifey, but she isn't interested in a relationship with you and you aren't interested in one with her. You are pretty much trying to keep her as a back-up plan and she is doing the same to you, but from your words, it seems as if she isn't really feeling you 'like that. From what you said, it sounds like she's friend zoned you and put you into that 'you'd make excellent husband material' category... so she will play that miss sweet game with you of talking about i only sleep with men who wife me up game...She doesn't want a relationship with you right now, but wants you to wait on her? Yup, friend zone... aka the real term is failure zone.

Never 'wait up' on a woman to start feeling you. If you have too much emotions, then simply move on and let her know you're not feeling the friendship thing. Never waste precious time 'waiting' on a woman to start feeling you. There's too many other women out there who actually want to see what you're about.

@kevm3 breh your contributions in this thread are GOAT poster status. a true coli brehthren :wow:
 
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You need to carefully consider whether you are passing up a decent woman to play the field. You might have that playing itch in your system, but as many men here will attest to, when you pass up the decent ones, you go on to regret it later because you will realize real quickly that all the hoes out there are not worth having a solid woman.

Now, from what you're saying is that she won't sleep with you unless she is wifey, but she isn't interested in a relationship with you and you aren't interested in one with her. You are pretty much trying to keep her as a back-up plan and she is doing the same to you, but from your words, it seems as if she isn't really feeling you 'like that. From what you said, it sounds like she's friend zoned you and put you into that 'you'd make excellent husband material' category... so she will play that miss sweet game with you of talking about i only sleep with men who wife me up game...She doesn't want a relationship with you right now, but wants you to wait on her? Yup, friend zone... aka the real term is failure zone.

Never 'wait up' on a woman to start feeling you. If you have too much emotions, then simply move on and let her know you're not feeling the friendship thing. Never waste precious time 'waiting' on a woman to start feeling you. There's too many other women out there who actually want to see what you're about.

I mean I wouldn't call it friend zone we been talking for like 6 months now. We pretty much know everything about each other. We've kissed multiple times and we've talked about hooking up. We've gotten close to being in a relationship twice but one or the other backed out at the last second.

She cut it off the first time and said she wanted to stay friends and I wasnt having it at all. But after like 2 weeks of talking to other guys and stuff she comes right back to me and the talk starts again.

The second time was just recently. I kinda got bored I couldn't stand talking to her anymore I didn't really enjoy hanging out with her or anything and I kinda want to enjoy doing my own thing for a while, so I kinda hinted that I didnt want a relationship anymore and she said she felt the same. But the girl still wants to be friends man!

She is def wifey material girls like this come once in a lifetime I feel like. But do I keep her around and just be friends :comeon: or do I let her go and do her own thing and just hope she still available when I'm ready to wife up.
 

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Don't be the "nice guy" that this woman talks about.

"YAY! I get to be the guy who's last in line after she's been run through by all the bad boys that I've learned to hate over the years!"

 
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Brilliant comment from: - Advice for a former slut married to a beta provider to whom she is not sexually attracted. | The Woman and the Dragon

I think a big part of the problem here is the poor education and misinformation women have received over the last 30 to 50 years: that men and women are the same, and that women can have lots of premarital sex like a man can with no ill effects on the body, the soul, the psyche or the spirit.

My thinking on this has evolved a lot over the last 18 months or so. I am not necessarily of the mind that one premarital sex partner for a woman always completely ruins her (but it can if he is sufficiently alpha and she bonds really, really hard to him). I do think that women who become high N either have a predisposition to high sex drive and high resistance to bonding (probably due to being high T women); or they follow the herd, or they just didn’t get good education on what happens during sex.

The problem happens when the high N woman decides she wants to marry for whatever reason: family pressure, age, baby rabies, etc. Based on my speculation and observations, the high T slut just resists to bonding to one man — she either cannot feel love for just one man, or does not, simply because her body chemistry in part I suspect causes her to approach sex, interpersonal relationships and life in general more as a man does (though not entirely as a man does — a man with normal T will still have multiple factors more T than a high T woman). This woman might be able to compartmentalize sex from other areas of her life, much as a man can. She is more resistant to bonding (but nearly all high T women will still willingly submit to a man with sufficiently alpha qualities). I suspect she’s a very high marriage risk because she is the most likely to engage in sport sex and high adventure sex; most likely to get into the kink; and most likely to cheat.

The only men who can successfully manage the high T former slut and maintain long term attraction in marriage, paradoxically, are the very men least likely to marry in the first place: the PUA, the natural alpha, the high T man, the high social status man. These men are sexually successful and have options; and they are not likely to opt for a high T former slut. And interestingly enough, these men are the men the high T former slut (and all other women) are most attracted to. These men, if and when they do marry, are not likely to marry a high T former slut because she requires considerably more effort to manage than any other woman. The only man who can marry a high T woman is a man with tight Game. In today’s SMP, most men don’t have that level of Game. The men who are 6 Sigma Gamesmen don’t marry anyway.

The non-high T former slut is in a different category, I think. This type of woman either fell into the lifestyle by following the herd; or she tried to parlay a series of hookups into relationships and repeatedly struck out; or she had no idea how the SMP works; or she has/had addictions that fueled a promiscuous sex life; or she was “just having some fun”, or whatever other reason. She wants to bond; wants to very, very badly. But she cannot. Most often, I think, it’s because her former sluthood either (1) cultivated in her a warped, twisted view of sex and its role in a healthy intimate relationship; (2) causes her to be unable to relate to a man in any manner other than sexually; and/or (3) cultivated in her a deep. core distrust of men in general. I suspect all non high T former sluts, and probably all former sluts, have one, a combination, or all three of these. It appears to me that once these beliefs or patterns develop in a woman due to promiscuity, they are extraordinarily difficult to dislodge and reeducate, so to speak. A woman tends to latch onto and develop those beliefs or patterns, and they appear , at least to me, to become so embedded in her mind and personality that they are very, very difficult to “fix”. Her relationship and sexual failures, past and present, are extremely painful.

Almost all the time, this kind of woman has vastly confused her SMV with her MMV. She really thought she could get a man for marriage by putting out. She was fascinated at all the attention she got from these really hot guys. She genuinely doesn’t understand why these men aren’t interested in marriage.

Some of these women use sex for power, because deep down, they know that their sexual agency is the only thing they have of any value. To put it bluntly, they have no education or domestic skills, and a dead end job. Having sex is the only thing at which they have any proficiency. They also realize early on that their looks and willingness to put out gives them great leverage over almost every man in their orbit. Sure, it’s only for a while, but it is power nonetheless. And if this man will sleep with her only a few times and moves on, it’s OK because she knows there is a neverending supply of men who will give her what she wants, be it drinks, or attention, or a date, or sex. She even might eventually figure out how to string one of these men along, dollop out a little sex here and there, while he exhausts his time, money and self giving her whatever she wants.

And some women simply are having fun on the alcohol and alpha party train, having some “fun” until it comes time to “be responsible” and “do the right thing” and have a man “make an honest woman” out of her.

I suspect that as these women grow accustoming to using men, and being used by men, lying to men and being lied to by men, they quickly learn the score and how the game (Game) is being played. They grow increasingly jaded and cynical. They develop a deep distrust of men in particular. They come to believe every man simply wants sex from her all the time and simply wants to use her because that’s what happened every time before. They come to believe that no relationship can work because no relationship they’ve ever had before worked out or worked well and they’ve never seen anyone else have a healthy relationship either. They come to believe that no one will ever want them for themselves or see them as anything other than the shape and size of their bodies.

And so she comes to the marriage market. This is a woman who is accustomed to high emotion, high excitement, high drama roller coaster sex with attractive, high status men. She’s accustomed to weekend vacations in Vegas with the smooth player. She likes riding on the back of the bad boy’s motorcycle at 85 MPH and shaking the plaster off the walls with sex at his place. She likes going to the bars and picking out the hottest guy there to take her home. Her attraction triggers are tuned to high status, hot alpha men. She gets to the marriage market and is in for a rude awakening. It is filled with the men she finds boring, predictable, mundane. There are even some men showing up who she turned up her nose at and nuclear rejected a few years ago. This isn’t what she bargained for at all. This isn’t what she wanted. None of these men are attractive. But, this one makes good money. That one is really nice, and he’s funny. This other one already owns a house and has some money saved up. Well, this one earns good money, and he’d be a good dad to the kids she wants to have. So she agrees to date him. She likes him pretty well. She has sex with him, and it’s OK, but nothing like the earth shaking, see-stars sex she had with her alphas. Anyway, she loves him, really likes him, and she thinks she can make it work. She agrees to marry him when he asks.

So they go to married life. It’s gonna be great. She has very high expectations for marriage. Their sex life will be great because it’s “legal” and licit now. Their sex life will be great because, well, almost all the sex with the other hot men was fun and exciting and great. So this can’t be too bad, right? Besides, even if it isn’t great, he will make lots of money and take care of her and allow her to quit her crappy job when she gets pregnant. He will take care of her, and well, maybe the sex will improve.

But it doesn’t.

He works hard and is putting on weight from the stress and poor eating. He lives in and very much likes his routine. She isn’t really attracted to him and doesn’t really love him. She’s not head over heels in love with him, though he is with her and he considers himself damn lucky to have her. She wants to bond, tries to bond, but she simply cannot do it. Her mind wanders during sex — memories of past alpha BFs, maybe, Or unrealized sexual fantasies. Whatever it is, hubby really just cannot do it for her. Over the years she comes to enjoy sex less and less, and they have sex less and less.

And so it goes. This, sluts, is how you get to where you are. This is what happens when former sluts marry without being head over heels in love.


:wow: shyt is maddening. So the same chick that has wild sex with men that ain't doing shyt, expects to be wifed up and have a simp husband to save her? I see shyt like that all the time and I :russ: at them and tell them the damn truth. I hold nothing back to them delusional chicks.
 
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