This is the premise of my previous post in which I emphasized that any level of decency/respectfulness exhibited by a man will be viewed in a negative light (basically a simp) by a woman, even if the said woman is initially attracted to him. And it is exactly the same reason I find it hirlarious when women complain on tv shows, in magazines, and online about men who display disrespectfulness when they are not being 100 about gravitating toward such men in the first place.
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I got the premise. tha attitude works too. to be disrespectful. but the women you get from that will be a mess. a man has to set the pace. a good attitude that works is one that shows you already have yours, and that youre not dependant to her being around you to make you happy. that says a lot. theres no desperation, no thirst.
and a lot of times thats due to a man already being happy with someone else, being very financially secure, or just plain having their life in order. it could be anything, but once you have it together its desirable to them
A lot of women do gravitate towards disrespectful men, but then again, you can be respectful and have a lot of women as well as long as you aren't a sucker with it. Me, I don't have the time or desire to concoct a whole new personality to do what some of these women find pleasing, so I may miss out on some of the women that like 'jerk' behavior, but I'm doing myself a favor because I don't want to deal with those kind of women in the first place.
I got the premise. tha attitude works too. to be disrespectful. but the women you get from that will be a mess. a man has to set the pace. a good attitude that works is one that shows you already have yours, and that youre not dependant to her being around you to make you happy. that says a lot. theres no desperation, no thirst.
and a lot of times thats due to a man already being happy with someone else, being very financially secure, or just plain having their life in order. it could be anything, but once you have it together its desirable to them
I get what your saying women want men who are in demand by other women and are not thirsty. The thing with me has been I have always made a point of not coming across thirsty/desperate and exhibited being respectful in general for the most part unless I was given a legitimate reason to not be. Anyway, some of the women with whom I had dealings were intrigued, therefore attracted to me because I was not all up in their faces as opposed to many other guys but were quickly turn off by my overall respectful behavior.They would either give me the cold shoulder, or worse, they would attempt to play for a chump despite not doing anything,in my mind, that would warranted this (being the proverbial captain-save-a-hoe).
On the flipside, I noticed other guys,some of whom were in my family, would also not approach women with a thirsty vibe, but they would come at women in what I considered to be a direspectful manner. Calling them bytches and hoes, making sexual comments(not the "I wanna fukk" type of comments but the ones pertaining to their body). And the women would respond postively to these guys most of the time (not only hoodrats but also high class females). It was mind-blowning because I was often taught not to objectify women (value their minds, not their bodies) and approach woman with respect unless the said did woman not deserve it. It was so obvious to the point where I would ask my male relatives for advice on how
approach and be successful with women. Based on their responses, I concluded that the best way and only way to be successful with women is to be outright disrespectful because in their words, "They love it even though they claim otherwise".
I have had a difficult time applying this advise to my dating life because it goes against what I have been raised to genuinely value,which has been overall decency in terms of personal conduct. Also, this has made me quite cynical and feel like If I have
to alter my mindset and behavior in order to be a winner in the dating game, then maybe (just maybe) I should say "fukk IT" as a whole.
It is definitely difficult to reconcile what we've been told and the reality of the situation. I'll be real in admitting that a lot of women DO respond to disrespectful treatment and game-playing... you might miss out on women by being the respectful guy, but then again, you might miss out on the woman who actually responds to decent treatment... that quality woman while you're playing these games.
What makes it so difficult is that we men are searching for gourmet meals in the trash heap. There is some quality out there, but man, it's difficult with the countless single mothers, women who've been hoing it up until they blow up and women who want their little thug delight. But ultimately, I feel if you change your personality to catch one of these women, you will be doing yourself a disservice in the end because you will lose respect for yourself and you will not ever have respect for the woman you are dealing with because in the back of your mind you will be thinking, "Man this girl is dumb. How in the world could she go for this treatment?"
Also, when you say respectful, what is some examples of respectful treatment you've found that have turned women off?
at me having a connection with someone 5000 miles away while the woman I'm talking to within 15 mins of me already annoys me. Life isn't faWhat'
sometimes it just takes stepping outside of the matrix to realize how messed up we have it here. I'm quite sure her attitude is refreshing compared to the average of what you get here in America with all those women brainwashed with feminist drivel.
The woman I'm talking to is pretty and intelligent its just that all she ever talks about is fashion, celebrities or some trendy movement. And she always wants to go out somewhere doesn't matter what the day is she wants to go to out for dinner or to a lounge. I haven't talked to her in a few days and I'm relieved. Meanwhile the Brazilian and I were talking about astronomy and views on life. Her last message on FB is "Be smart, be good, your beauty won't last forever"
The woman I'm talking to is pretty and intelligent its just that all she ever talks about is fashion, celebrities or some trendy movement. And she always wants to go out somewhere doesn't matter what the day is she wants to go to out for dinner or to a lounge. I haven't talked to her in a few days and I'm relieved. Meanwhile the Brazilian and I were talking about astronomy and views on life. Her last message on FB is "Be smart, be good, your beauty won't last forever"
Yeah I know what you mean. When you find a woman that can hold a conversation, it's a beautiful thing. I know exactly where you're coming from. A lot of women will talk about kids, some gossip, how their body is hurting at the moment, how they were done wrong, clothes or just something mind numbingly boring.
Man sometimes here, I almost feel like I have to brace myself to deal with a lot of these females... as in you had better carefully determine what you say or they will try to disqualify you... but I'm getting to the point where I'm like screw it, take your sorry butt on. I'm not going to carefully tailor my conversation so you can like it.
When it comes down to it, I think most females are book smart, but feel little need to develop their intellect beyond what they are taught in school, which makes it difficult to converse about something meaningful with a lot of them. I've only met a handful that you can actually have conversations about art or just something other than the typical. To me, a woman's level of conversation is one of the most attractive things about her.
CrossBones
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The woman I'm talking to is pretty and intelligent its just that all she ever talks about is fashion, celebrities or some trendy movement. And she always wants to go out somewhere doesn't matter what the day is she wants to go to out for dinner or to a lounge. I haven't talked to her in a few days and I'm relieved. Meanwhile the Brazilian and I were talking about astronomy and views on life. Her last message on FB is "Be smart, be good, your beauty won't last forever"
their family structure is different. theyre real particular a lot of times about how they raise their women and what a man in the household is supposed to stand for. they will beat a bytch if shes embarassing them or out of line. and a lot of them they do try to rebel, believe me. Ive seen it in a lot of traditional latin households. but if you want a submissive woman, she needs to have a mother that is the same. she needs to see how that looks and what it does for a relationship. see what the fruits of it bare. a lot of women today, didnt grow up like that. or they let our media tell them what they should be like. trying to be men.
now it comes off as preselective and maybe slightly close minded to judge a woman by her family, but at least its a good sign and it helps you choose.
Yeah having a proper household is critical for a woman so they can observe what is doing right. if you're around success, you're likely to pick up successful habits because that's what you learn and that's what you know. Likewise, if you are around disorder, you will start to pick up those habits unless you've just analyzed your situation and decide to go against the grain of what you've been taught your whole life, which is usually after hitting rock bottom. These women here in America are constantly taught selfishness by their mothers and by the media, and we have so many single parent households with 'independent-minded' mothers, so their daughters never really have a chance to learn traits that really attract a man.
To answer your question, it all stems from my upbringing to be a respectful guy in general. In regards to women,I was taught that I should get to know them as a person as opposed to getting sexual with women quickly because it was deemed as "disrespectful". The women who were initially attracted to me, I guess, expected me to push for sex even though I would not have known them for very long or just overall talk to them in a way that would be more sexually aggressive or rather assertive despite the fact I did not play the male-girlfriend role at ALL (ex.consoling them with their problems) . It seems they mistaken with my respectful behavior with being weak or soft. Even two of them questioned me as to whether I was gay or not but I shut that nonsense down and got on about my business.
Yeah, that's what's so crazy in this day and age. If you treat a lot of these women like whores, you will get further than if you treat them like ladies. It's almost like they expect you to rush into their pants. That 'waiting to get to know them' stuff will land you in the friend category or looked at like some simp to be used for affection and resources while she is getting banged out by some other dude. It's sad really... but I just think that attests to the level of quality we have nowadays, which isn't much.
Man it's a headache, but when it comes down to character, you have to choose to stand on it, even if it isn't immediately rewarding. I've pondered the same issues, knowing I could deal with a lot more women if I went out here and started playing these games and doing all kinds of nonsense. Ultimately, I know it won't be satisfying because I had to change my core character to do it, and I would have no respect for those women I was dealing with because I see them falling for some obvious nonsense I was presenting to them.
CrossBones
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its true. influence is like the invisible hand. people dont realize how much it affects us
the more we accept any poor standard in our lives, engage in baseless arguments, and run around in a disordered environment, the more that enters our life. from the thinking, to our habits. and it will try to stay there. thats why people need to be searching for what they really need to be doing in life to make themselves happy.
Yeah. In terms of sorting of through the BS that is prevalent in today's dating scene, it is comparable to dumpster diving and it is quite disgusting. Also, I believe in the saying "If you don't stay stand for something, you'll fall for anything".