This is the perfect summary of my feelings on marriage and why I'm totally against it. 5 star post. Everyone that's even thinking of getting married should be forced to read this before their wedding.For those posters who've been building in this thread since it's inception, you are already aware that I am in the process of finalizing my divorce. I always get asked whether I would take the risk and get married again? I say "No" very quickly which would lead most people to believe that I have made this decision without thought. But there is a lot of thought behind this decision, and I want to share it with my brethren because even though experiences are unique, outcomes are pretty much generalized.
Reason Why I Won't Get Married Again
No matter how much they try to sell marriage as the ultimate display of love and commitment, when it comes down to it, it is a law binding agreement. Unfortunately, people don't realize this until their marriage is on the rocks and they are heading for divorce. That's when they find out how dramatically divorce can change their lives, emotionally, socially, and financially.
Keep in mind, I am all for long term monogamous relationships. But is marriage really worth it? Dudes are under the impression that once I marry this woman she is mine. Well in reality it's actually the opposite. "You are hers"
Think about it....
In a regular relationship, if you find out that your girlfriend is cheating on her, you can move to end the relationship and go on with your life (unless you have children, which I'm going to get into as well).
When you're married, if you find out that your wife is cheating on you, if you move to get a divorce, there is the high risk of financial and social penalties that you will incur. This is why most men stay married even after their wife commits infidelities. On the other hand, a woman will get divorced if a man cheats because she benefits just as much from the divorce as she benefits from the marriage.
Now I'm not implying that all women are untrustworthy. What I'm saying is that marriage puts you in a situation when you are brainwashed to believe that this person is your soulmate and you have to work it out no matter what. Even if you are unhappy in marriage, she stops having sex with you, cooking, cleaning, showing affection, stops working, etc.... the concept of marriage will make you believe that you have to work through all of this.
In a relationship you would have easily kicked this woman to the curb because you would have determined that she provides no benefit or satisfaction to your life.
Simply put, we can't determine the future, so why would you commit yourself to anybody or anything for life? And think about it... the longer you are married, the more severe the penalties are if you ever get divorced.
People are quick to say, "I want a family", "I want kids". That's cool. I have kids too. Let me tell you this. As much as I love my kids, and deep in my heart I want more, but I will never have anymore kids for the following reasons:
1) The whole concept of a happy family is solely determined on your relationship with that woman. If she leaves you, you're not having a happy family. So you'll be in a position where you have to kiss her a$$ in order to make it work.
And this has nothing to do with marriage, just having kids in general. Being married with kids is a double dilemma in the sense that your reasons for staying married have less and less to do with your affinity for your wife.
Now I've been told that I'm bitter and that men who have happy marriages don't think like this. Babyface, the man who sang the most simpest song in history "As soon as I get home from work", has gotten divorced after 15 years from his wife Tracey Edmonds. And she's all over hollywood messing with everybody. Last week I heard she was dating Primetime. This should speak volumes.
So ask yourself? How does marriage benefit you?
Sure, you love her... and sure at the moment you want to spend the rest of your life with her.
But what happens 6-10 years into your marriage and you're no longer happy because she changed or is not doing the things she once used to do? What are your options? If you divorce, she most likely will get the house, the kids, child support, and depending on financial status, she may be entitled to alimony. This is not to say that all woman are scandalous. This is just to show you might not feel the same way in 7 years that you feel now. But you signed that lifetime commitment. No matter how great a product is, would you allow the distributor to deduct the costs of it from your bank account monthly for the rest of your life? No, you want to have the choice to stop paying for the product after it's usefulness has run it's course. Relationships are no different. Why keep paying for something that has already run it's course? That's why marriage isn't for me anymore.
shyt just got downright insulting. this chick that had me basically in her back pocket for a couple years till i lost interest and grew cold sends me a text saying i think we should get back together.
what the hell do i look light a light switch? you just randomly decide you want the lights on one day and flip a switch. sometimes its the little things people do that show you just how insignificant you are to them. this chick obviously takes me for a joke if she thinks she can step back in at any moment and say let's do this and its on.
"To the 35 year old woman. Let me put in female terms. A woman who is older, not very hot, and had a LOT LOT LOT of Alpha cocks, is like a cloying, simpering, supplicating, "supportive" and non-masculine beta male. In other words, totally and completely sexually repellent. There, fixed that for you.
A woman in her mid-late thirties, is competing with porn and prostitutes, to put it bluntly, who are a hell of a lot hotter. A woman that age, will likely average between 20-40 partners, easy. Most guys not deluded know it. Being Mr. 21, or 41, is not special. Women don't form attachments, desires, love, for the twenty-first or forty-first guy they banged. They just don't. Particularly as they are "settling." At best, they can get the dregs of men: guys with major problems, issues, or attractiveness degradation. Any attractive, desirable man can still bag a girl who is ten or more times hotter and maybe fifteen years younger.
Unless she's widowed, an attractive woman who wanted to get married would have done so years earlier. A woman age 35 is not worthless, but she is orders of magnitude less worthy in the Mate/Marriage market than she was at 20. This is just reality.
No, guys don't want fat, aging, lots-of-partners women any more than hot young things want beta males. Porn and prostitutes can beat most average, fat, women at that age (35+). More love, affection, and devotion can be found in a pet. And indeed the rapid increase in pet ownership suggests most men (and women) seek uncritical love from an animal rather than the opposite sex.
Bottom line: in order for men and women to pair up and form families that last, they need to do so fairly early. Ages 16-26 for women, ages 24-32 for men; there are strong reasons to forbid adolescent girls from pairing up (they're monumentally stupid for one) but historically this has been the norm for family formation, with as noted, older men, younger girls, age gap around 6-8 years, due to boys maturing more slowly and resource accumulation requirements."
"Your average girl nowadays is told how awesomely wonderful she is. Her mother, teachers, pastors/priests, and others in authority over her constantly affirm and validate her. (I omitted her father because her mom divorced him years ago. He has almost no authority or influence in her life.) Everyone tells her how beautiful, talented, smart, intelligent and promising she is. She learns quite early on that, using her sexuality, she can easily control and manipulate most men. But her sexuality holds little sway over the most attractive men, whom she chases with a vengeance.
As she ages, her life puts her into contact with men of ever-increasing quality. She can easily get boyfriends, but ditches them as soon as a better man comes along. The problem is, a better man ALWAYS comes along. No matter how good her current man is, no matter how many of her requirements he meets, she can always meet a man who has more of them. She can always find a man who is better looking, smarter, makes more money, or is more confident. She thinks she is getting closer and closer to the ideal, but falls short every time.
This reverses and corrects only as she approaches The Wall and the quality of men willing to consider her starts declining precipitously. By then its too late she cant pull the attractive men she once could. They wont even consider her for STRs. Its pump and dump only for her now with the attractive men. She will now have to start looking downmarket for marriageable men.
Even more debilitating is the Evangelical American Princess, raised up in Churchianity. Everyone has told her shes Gods special princess; a Daughter of the King. Only the very best will do. God has a special plan for her life. He is preparing The One Special Man for her. And God is not a man that He should lie. And since He is God, He knows what she wants and needs. He knows all the bullet points, all the options she MUST have. If the man is not perfect in every way; if he does not meet every. single. one. of the 463 bullet points, he is not the man God has for her and he is not The One.
She heads out, armed with her 463 bullet point checklist. She dates the men, even sleeps with a few. But none meet all the bullet points and all are NEXTed. This goes on for years, until it is too late."
See if you can spot all the red flags:
"I'm [24/f] torn between a gentleman and my hormones. Small background info about me: I've been single since 18 bc I enjoy doing whatever I want. I've had exclusive relationships but they never turn into anything real. I'm crazy career driven and I like to say that's my excuse as why I'm still single. I also like to have sex and lots of it. I've been single for awhile and I think like a guy when it comes to sex. sex is sex. I don't get attached. I only got attached twice. I just want to get it in and be out. Obviously I do it with guys that I've been friends with for quite awhile and defintly protected. And I don't sleep with a bunch of guys at the same time. I've always been loyal to just sleep with one at the time and then see where things go. I don't know what making love is because I haven't done that in awhile. This gets complicated when my feelings get in the way of the person I'm sleeping with. That's the situation I'm in now.
Guy A [28/m] I've been sleeping with him on and off for a year and some change. I'm crazy attracted to him and he's the best sex I ever had. I'm comfortable with him & at times it feels like we're making love. At first, last year, we were talking and dating and I holded off on the sex. Then we did it and it was amazing. We kept talking and sleeping with each other until 3 months later, he told me that that's not what he wants to do anymore. We stopped talking and then around October of last year, we started talking and sleeping with each other again but then he ended it again. I was heart broken. He reached out to me in the beginning of this year but I ignored him. we started talking again this September and then sleeping with other again. I still have feelings for him but I think he sees me as a FWB this time. I know that it's all types of wrong but the sex is what keeps me coming back.
Guy B [27/m] is this guy whose been crushing on me for awhile. He's within our group of friends so I see him every once in a while. I've hooked up with him a couple times, just making out, and always bc I'm drunk. But this guy is like the perfect gentlemen. He's the type to buy flowers and open doors and all that. He's a sweet kid and all my friends know that and tell me to give him a try. I tell him in all honesty I would break his heart if we were together bc I'm an a$$hole like that. [i've had a lot of heartbreaks so I just have this big wall up] but he's ok with that. I'm slightly attracted to him. He's just a little cute but I don't picture having sex or being any kinds of intimate with him. He's a little overweight and somewhat not my type. BUT he is perfect and I'm not sure if I should give him a try and stop being stubborn."
I'm [24/f] torn between the guy with awesome sex [28/m] or the perfect gentleman [27/m] : relationships
Approaching a new woman every day for a month, Day 1:
I nearly forgot to do this today, but there was a girl that was parked in front of me downtown today that was really close to my car and she was moving it in order to give me room to leave. I'm really happy that I decided to buy a BMW at this point. She was a pawg, probably a good... 7, I'd say.
We started chatting casually, and I asked her about her opinion on good local bars (I don't care because I know all the good ones already). She was kind of a scatterbrain, but she gave me her number and told me to call her.
I kinda screwed up almost when she apologized for being so scatterbrained when I said, "It's funny, because I hear that women are more biologically predisposed to being good at multitasking." A little wordy and scientific for light banter, but hey, I got her number still and I learned my lesson.