Put Yourselves First Guys - Don’t Get Used.

[PL368Z]

Don't ever talk with your sand in your vagina again fakkit

80% of my family live over there. Watch your MGTOW videos dreaming about women I've met

Mgtow lol, glorifying women from 3rd countries is mgtow 101 you schmuck.

Sadly your wholesome African wife is nothing but a fantasy.

 

[UpAndComing]

you immigrant nikkas sure do get mad quick

Y'all want to be White Men so badly

 

[UpAndComing]

Mgtow lol, glorifying women from 3rd countries is mgtow 101 you schmuck.

Sadly your wholesome African wife is nothing but a fantasy.

You wanted it to be one way, but it wasn't lol

No worries, Happens to the best of them

 

[Surreal]

She rather be a BM than a wife?

 

[CarmelBarbie]

the issue is that making single parent households a social norm reduces the number of viable women we can choose from...



the fact that theres a specific demographic that feels more comfortable than other demographics in doing this... combined with the fact that said demographic is doing worse on all levels than other demographics.... paints a pretty grim picture

Do you mean viable options for marriage? Most Brehs don’t even get married though if we’re going by statistics. 42% of bw never get married as opposed to 48% of bm. Even on this very forum, many Brehs promote gmb, and regularly share stories that validate that they shouldn’t get married. Y’all have to really pick a position, if your gmb then this won’t have an impact on viable options. But if you want to get married, there are still a sizable amount of bw who don’t have children and won’t have children unless their married. A few of those women have even posted in this thread. This is why I say that values matter—it doesn’t serve a man to marry a woman who truly doesn’t value marriage, she’s more likely to divorce or leave. Since there are few Brehs who even get married, they will need to focus on the few bw who want what they want too.

based on stats the majority of divorces are filed by women, indicating that perhaps a lot of women for whatever reason don’t like being married. And In our community the divorce rate is high—it’s actually higher than the marriage rate, which means single parent or not, many of these marriages/relationships just aren’t going to last anyway.

Our community has always been at the bottom compared to others, but I do agree that our low marriage rate, high divorce rate and high single parent rate does make things very grim.

But while it is more prevalent in our community, it is slowly becoming a trend in others. I see it as a reflection of our changing society—there was a study that estimated that by 2044 we will have the largest population of single childless woman ever in history.

If you truly want course correction, perhaps the key is to understand what is it about marriage that is causing people to opt out.

 

[Savvir]

Do you mean viable options for marriage? Most Brehs don’t even get married though if we’re going by statistics. 42% of bw never get married as opposed to 48% of bm. Even on this very forum, many Brehs promote gmb, and regularly share stories that validate that they shouldn’t get married..

the GMB crowd points to situations like the one in OP as a reason for GMB
They point to inequality in the dating/marriage scene to back up their cause...

women promoting single parenthood are GMB too ... they just dont use the acronym

If you truly want course correction, perhaps the key is to understand what is it about marriage that is causing people to opt out.

Well we do know who tends to opt out of marriages they are already in....
Do some of their reasons line up with this "new" philosophy about family structure?


You are a part of that demographic....
Give me insight...

Y'all want to be White Men so badly

Calling out nonADOS blacks talking about certain issues means I wanna be white?


Or do you think im against immigrants because im "patriotic"?
Let me know which way are you misconstruing my post so I can respond correctly...

 

[CarmelBarbie]

One thing I’ve noticed many of y’all failed to notice is that ol girl just wants the chance to fucck anyone she wants, without having to have a record of multiple failed marriages.

also, she says her family is wealthy so clearly she doesn’t need a man for resources.

Bottom line, I wouldn’t trust this girl at all. Most men (gmb team) don’t wanna get married because the ramifications of it failing are too great, for a man.

Also she’s clearly dating men who need her which speaks volumes. That’s why those men were trying to knock her up cause they know she won’t run their pockets. I doubt she’ll have issues marrying an esteemed man, who is far above whatever status she thinks she’s at.

what a strange conclusion. If I said I don’t value marriage then why would I care about having multiple failed marriages on my record lol?

Yes I do want to date and fukk whoever I want and? I bet you do too. I also am not staying in a relationship that I don’t want to be in. I’m happy in the relationship I’m in right now, and he’s the only man I want to fukk. So I’m not sure your point of how it even relates to anything I’ve said in this thread.

You say most men don’t want to get married because of the ramifications of failure. Yet, on average the majority of Brehs don’t even get close to making six figures and it was discussed in another thread but many of the bw who do marry, end up marrying down. So if anyone has anything to lose financially from a marriage failing in many of those cases it’s not always the men.

I’d also argue that perhaps the reason there are more women who don’t want to get married than ever before is because they see ramifications in it as well. If neither party sees benefits or sees more cons in getting married, then it makes sense that they are less likely to want to do it.

also to your last point, that is also strange. every man I’ve been with has either made within the same income range or more than me. My boyfriend makes 2.5 - 3x the amount I make. And no I still don’t want to get married to him, unless we could live in separate homes lol.

 

[CarmelBarbie]

the GMB crowd points to situations like the one in OP as a reason for GMB
They point to inequality in the dating/marriage scene to back up their cause...

women promoting single parenthood are GMB too ... they just dont use the acronym




well we do know who tends to opt out of marriages they are already in....

Right, but y’all also talk about women cheating, women seeking divorce, women withholding sex, women getting fat, women getting terrible stretch marks, and so on as reasons for gmb too. In other words y’all find any and every unfavorable scenario to promote it. My situation is just one example lol. And in the same token, a woman can also find many reasons and cases as to why she too does not want to get married or further why she’d rather be a single mother than to get married. Clearly both groups are opting out for a variety of reasons. Maybe it’s marriage and how we understand it that needs to be reworked, maybe it’s society and roles taken in marriage that need to be reworked.

But yes your right, women do divorce and end marriages more often than men, which again is why I say that perhaps understanding why they are more likely to do so may prove to be of benefit to men who are afraid of marriage failure.

 

[Savvir]

Right, but y’all also talk about women cheating, women seeking divorce, women withholding sex, women getting fat, women getting terrible stretch marks, and so on as reasons for gmb too. In other words y’all find any and every unfavorable scenario to promote it. My situation is just one example lol. And in the same token, a woman can also find many reasons and cases as to why she too does not want to get married or further why she’d rather be a single mother than to get married. Clearly both groups are opting out for a variety of reasons. But yes women divorce and end marriages more often than men, which again is why I say that perhaps understanding why that is may prove to be of benefit to men who are afraid of marriage failure.

wait what?

cheating
divorce
being out of shape
withholding sex
are good reasons to judge a woman's marriageability....

Can you link to the GMB crowd talking about stretch marks?
From what i've seen, coli nikkas love them

Can you give insight into the reasons your sisters end marriages so much?
How do these marriage failures affect the women?
What are the benefits of being married and living seperate?


I want to see your side

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Do you mean viable options for marriage? Most Brehs don’t even get married though if we’re going by statistics. 42% of bw never get married as opposed to 48% of bm. Even on this very forum, many Brehs promote gmb, and regularly share stories that validate that they shouldn’t get married. Y’all have to really pick a position, if your gmb then this won’t have an impact on viable options. But if you want to get married, there are still a sizable amount of bw who don’t have children and won’t have children unless their married. A few of those women have even posted in this thread. This is why I say that values matter—it doesn’t serve a man to marry a woman who truly doesn’t value marriage, she’s more likely to divorce or leave. Since there are few Brehs who even get married, they will need to focus on the few bw who want what they want too.

based on stats the majority of divorces are filed by women, indicating that perhaps a lot of women for whatever reason don’t like being married. And In our community the divorce rate is high—it’s actually higher than the marriage rate, which means single parent or not, many of these marriages/relationships just aren’t going to last anyway.

Our community has always been at the bottom compared to others, but I do agree that our low marriage rate, high divorce rate and high single parent rate does make things very grim.

But while it is more prevalent in our community, it is slowly becoming a trend in others. I see it as a reflection of our changing society—there was a study that estimated that by 2044 we will have the largest population of single childless woman ever in history.

If you truly want course correction, perhaps the key is to understand what is it about marriage that is causing people to opt out.

All of this but especially the bold. If people can’t understand or listen to why a lot of women are reticent to deal with a lot of men these days and are withdrawing, delaying or denouncing age-old traditions to avoid them, it’s impossible to troubleshoot the institution of marriage to make it better.

Men have their issues with marriage as well that should be articulated and acknowledged. But improvements start with open minds and open ears instead of the respective genders trying to TELL the opposite sex what they SHOULD do/want and then shaming them or insulting them, becoming defensive or angry or disrespectful if they don’t play ball.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

wait what?

cheating
divorce
being out of shape
withholding sex
are good reasons to judge a woman's marriageability....

Can you link to the GMB crowd talking about stretch marks?
From what i've seen, coli nikkas love them

Can you give insight into the reasons your sisters end marriages so much?
How do these marriage failures affect the women?
What are the benefits of being married and living seperate?


I want to see your side

Hell, you already a winner in my book for not frothing and foaming at the mouth when you encounter alternative perspectives.

I can’t speak for all women when I answer this question but I can provide some perspectives from a number of women I’ve interacted with cross-culturally and across multiple generations. I’ll categorize them according to some themes I’ve heard repeated by chicks regardless of their cultural background.
It can be short or long answer if you are interested.

 

[Savvir]

Hell, you already a winner in my book for not frothing and foaming at the mouth when you encounter alternative perspectives.

I can’t speak for all women when I answer this question but I can provide some perspectives from a number of women I’ve interacted with cross-culturally and across multiple generations. I’ll categorize them according to some themes I’ve heard repeated by chicks regardless of their cultural background.
It can be short or long answer if you are interested.

I prefer the long answer. I'm genuinely interested in your perspective

 

[KidJSoul]

I still don’t value marriage breh. But you may have point about upbringing and the models of marriage we see. My parents were married. My dad a provider who made a lot of money. My mom was a stay at home mom. We lived in a huge house in a lily white suburb in Chicago. They were happy but I realized early on that I didn’t necessarily want that dynamic. I didn’t want to be sahm, in fact I did it with my son for a year and couldn’t wait to get back to work. I think maybe in my case I wanted the opposite of what my parents modeled. Maybe if both my parents worked and I saw my mom chasing her dreams just like my dad did, instead of putting it on the back burner to support his career and the home, I would have had a different attitude. Funny thing is after 25 years of marriage my mom did divorce him, and she always said she wish she never would have been a sahm—what she called a glorified babysitter. She died a year later. But it solidified what I already thought—where I grew up I saw so many woman put their lives on hold to support their husbands and take care of children. For me, I wanted to do it all. Follow my dreams and have children. So that’s what I did.

I dunno how I missed this thread! And of course it’s not surprising to hear all the hypocritical male bs, but who cares about that.

Anyhoo, what you said resonates HEAVILY. Especially the parts in bold. And it’s a common refrain I’ve heard from so many women in traditional set ups growing up and I think a lotta women are starting to bypass even trying to discuss it anymore. They literally just done and withdrawing/rejecting traditional set ups. After a while, all the back and forth is unnecessary.

If someone can’t understand why women who aren’t oriented towards traditionalism shouldn’t get forced or shamed into it, or understand how aspects of it make those setups undesirable even for women would normally wouldn’t mind, then there’s no common ground to be found and no need to keep talking about it.

I’ve had similarly related issues, so I completely understand where you coming from. You are one of the most intelligent and level-headed people I’ve met on this forum, and your son is blessed to have you. I’m glad he has his father’s influence in his life as well. I’m also glad both of you are co-parenting well.

Single parenthood may not be ideal, but it’s totally workable and healthier than trying to raise a child in a family dynamic where either party is miserable. That’s something many women are trying to avoid these days and I don’t blame them.

I get this, marriage can feel like a trap sometimes

Obviously some guys can have to much hubris in assuming they know what women want, and forget not every woman is the same, even if there are trends as a group.

But I do wonder, does income/freedom play a role? Would marriage seem just as bad if the guy earned enough income, and you were still able to pursue what you wanted to? Obviously some women just aren't interested in marriage which is fine

 

[TRUEST]

what a strange conclusion. If I said I don’t value marriage then why would I care about having multiple failed marriages on my record lol?

Yes I do want to date and fukk whoever I want and? I bet you do too. I also am not staying in a relationship that I don’t want to be in. I’m happy in the relationship I’m in right now, and he’s the only man I want to fukk. So I’m not sure your point of how it even relates to anything I’ve said in this thread.

You say most men don’t want to get married because of the ramifications of failure. Yet, on average the majority of Brehs don’t even get close to making six figures and it was discussed in another thread but many of the bw who do marry, end up marrying down. So if anyone has anything to lose financially from a marriage failing in many of those cases it’s not always the men.

I’d also argue that perhaps the reason there are more women who don’t want to get married than ever before is because they see ramifications in it as well. If neither party sees benefits or sees more cons in getting married, then it makes sense that they are less likely to want to do it.

also to your last point, that is also strange. every man I’ve been with has either made within the same income range or more than me. My boyfriend makes 2.5 - 3x the amount I make. And no I still don’t want to get married to him, unless we could live in separate homes lol.

when it comes to marriage, women, for the most part, carry zero risk. No matter how much u try to play up the few that do end up screwed, they are NOT the norm. So, stop playing stupid.

now, talking about "valuing" something. see, be very careful with the words you use hun because words have meanings.

For example,

• I dont "value" skydiving as a leisure activity. Matter of fact, i dont just NOT value it, i despise it.
  • Therefore, under no circumstances will you ever hear me partaking in any sky diving activity
  • I despise skydiving because the risks are too great. And i consider such thrill seeking activities to be irresponsible.
• I dont value the chance to pet a sleeping tiger.
  • so, you will never find a picture of me smiling all goofy, petting a tiger. Nope
  • I dont like the idea of playing with dangerous animals because there's a chance, however remote, of that activity causing disastrous pain.

What am i getting at? There is a reason for everything we do in life. You dont value marriage because??? Be honest with yourself. You know the real reason why. And sure, you're being bold on this forum and telling us a watered reason for why. But did you sit the man/men in your life down and said:

• "Listen, i like sex. i enjoy being with you. but if im being perfectly honest, i gotta tell you i DO NOT ever want YOU to be the only person i have sex with for the rest of my life. So naturally, as you can expect, I'm against us ever getting married - marriage implies compulsory fidelity."

Did you ever say that to the man who fathered your child, and the dude you're expecting to father the next?

Until you do, and you do so plainly, with no ambiguity, you're lying to these men. And the fact that you dont even see nothing wrong with deliberately having kids by different men, tells me you're lost.

 

[Swahili P'Bitek]

Anecdotes aside, just as you can't talk about progress of a black nation in the presence of massive corruption, you cannot collectively talk about black unity while undermining the black family.

Family = better chances of continuity of wealth and security, without it people end up doing the same thing over and over from 1 generation to the next and never build on what was left. Order is most times accompanied by more order, chaos is also often followed by more chaos.