Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Matter fact @ZemaPromos why don't you go to the random thoughts thread and post on there since you say you like to discuss basketball so much?:jbhmm:

I love NY, so if you don't like it, just place me on ignore.
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Oh no Zema the warrior and Cacstop have joined forces :snoop:

Our views may be more in sync that you thought because I consider Kobe 1 of the greatest to ever play and Lj has no hope of ever being in his league. Moreover, it has zero to do with his rings, as they don't make you the better player, they just mean you were on the better team. It's because of his shooting ability and defense.
 

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Nah they will it's happened with certain posters before, but I'm won't say names, we don't need a civil war in here.


Melo will shoot better, sure. He will have games where he plays better and where he plays worse.

But his ONLY available trajectory is downward based on his age. You should stop placating her - her bizarre comparisons to LeBron James, who is in another stratosphere, as well as Dirk and KD who have had seasons Melo could only dream about, including a championship from one of them... defy logic or basic understanding of the game.

She's running face-first into a brick wall, looking at the blood on the ground, and swearing it's just some media propagana from the pro-wall mainstream.

It's clinical.

I root for melo because he plays for my team, I want him to succeed, I want the knicks to win a championship with him. But I also have the capacity to to at the same time make obvious observations that Melo's style of play is NOT necessarily conducive to the getting most consistent, positive results. He can no longer defend consistently at an average level, he plays a premier position, and he stops the ball movement on offense. Even though he CAN pass.

I'm glad he's playing well with Porzingis, I hope they build chemistry... but Melo is not this team's future. He's too old to be anybody's future.

And I think, at the heart of it - THAT is where the disconnect is for some posters. I can root for melo to play well, AND know that he is probably not the answer for this franchise, and definitely not franchise-altering star we'd hoped he was. Both things can be true.

Personally, as an aside, I LOVED the fact that he set that pick for KP at the end of the game last night... I mean, he fukked it up and got called for a terrible foul, but I love that he recognized that Porzingis was hot, and recognized he NEEDED to have the ball on that last possession. That is an important realization... it is the kind of thing that Kobe has NEVER gotten, for example.

It is the kind of thing that gives me hope that he COULD settle into being the second or third option... but it still leaves more than a decade between him and the player who is now the cornerstone. Which is probably too wide a gap to bridge.

It would be great if Melo appeared to be a draw for free agents... but that hasn't proved to be the case... maybe he AND porzingis could draw some young/exciting/promising talent? But then... doesn't that REALLY mean they're signing on to Porzingis?


Basketball is a simple game... but the WAY to win, the strategy is complicated. The BUSINESS of building a basketball team is even MORE complicated, with even MORE ways to succeed and fail. I just think people need to realize that the duality of rooting for a player and a team, and also thinking the team might be better off trading that player are NOT mutually exclusive.

But more than anything, y'all should just block zema. She doesn't add anything to the thread except for post count and frustration. He doesn't understand basketball, and uses the wrong statistics..... this is how I imagine barbershops were in the 90's when white kids started coming in and talking about Vanilla Ice as a top rapper in the game.

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Melo doesn't need to go, he just need to realize KP is a rare talent with a rare clutch gene, he has to willingly relinquish the number one role, KP needs 20-25 shots a game...Melo is seeing and feeding the beast lately hopefully Fish gets the picture...

For the sake of the board, I am gonna try to just scroll on past stupid posts like these instead of debating them. The reason is because I don't mean to hurt Knick fans with the things I say about the players. Moreover, for some odd reason, we can't debate in a civil manner. I have a long way to go before I can just quit all the debating completely, but I am going to try to at least cut it down some, starting with the dumb post above. I'll also work on being more concise.
 
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To your point:

In case the tweet is unintelligible, he said "offensive foul".


There's a bunch of times where KP will do something good on defense, grab a board and Melo will push the tempo trying to get him to post up or something. There chemistry is horrendous so far though. KP always looks like doesn't know what Melo wants him to do... Once they REALLY get there 2 man game fluid, they'll be a terror...
 

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Too little too late. :to:


You know what's crazy, the fact that they didn't even think to get him the ball immediately... Melo was the only one who knew to feed the hot hand.... Had Calderon and Afflalo reacted sooner Melo wouldn't have been charged with that foul...
 

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32 pts tonight on 14 shots.

It's time for Melo to show the pull he has with FA, this offseason. He needs to be in his ear 24/7

That's why I think we need to show significant improvement from last year. Either make the playoffs or be close to making it. Spit game to a big fish saying you are our missing piece to us being contenders

I would love Batum & Conley as our acquisitions
 

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We just need to understand is that the Melo we currently have is gonna be the same Melo for the rest of the season and seasons to come. I don't wanna hear know more about coming off of injury anymore. He'll show flashes of brilliance once in a while but he will consistently give us 20,7,4 while shooting 7-20. I'm fine with those stats as long as he is willing to take 5 or so shots less a game.

Let's be honest, he's not getting traded. There are only a few teams fit to take on his contract, PHX (he won't waive his NTC), Miami (I'll gladly take whiteside and winslow and a pick for Melo and possibly Lopez), bulls (they not giving us butler anymore, and they have no one else left that I want, Rockets (I can't think of anyone I want)

We have an inconsistent team, we'll still win about 40-45 games and possibly make the 7th or 8th seed, although the East is much better this year. If we win 42 games and KP turns out to be the superstar we think he will be even sooner than expected, I think thats a huge win for us
 
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