Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Wargames]

Wash wouldn't take melo lol

They already think there getting kd too

And i doubt Philly wouldv took that mare deal

Mare injury prone and washed

I'm saying when they realize KD aint leaving Westbrook and Ibaka for DC's worse core. KD aint leaving breh and DC is a treadmill team. Beal is also injury prone and needs to be paid, and Otto is just a roleplayer. I don't neccesarily think that is an upgrade to Melo, but you could at least argue its a near fair trade

I don't think the knicks should do it but I would understand the reasoning behind it.

Also the owner of the 6ers at the time damn near came out and said they wanted a big man star player when asked if they would trade for Amare. Also Amare wasn't done at that point he actually held up and was playing well that season.

They knew they weren't gonna keep Iggy and Vucevic and it was before Hinkie decided to be trash for picks.

 

[Sampson]

 

[Malta]

Nah, you don't like Melo & when he does have a good game your ass is ghost. And the same clowns @ you to come in the thread are probably the same morons who wanted to keep Gallonari and Lin over him.

He could average 40ppg for the rest of the season and I'd still say to trade him, good game or bad game, the Knicks should trade him. I've been consistent about this since last year he's not the type of player you build around as the cornerstone of a franchise.

You act like this dude is a bum, like he's some third string scrub, foh.

No, he's not a bum, the problem is you act like he's LeBron. He's not a tier 1 guy, he's not a top 10 player by any metric and he's only going to get worse as he gets older. You have to know when to move on from a player, the Warriors with your mindset keep Monta Ellis, the Hawks keep Joe Johnson, the Celtics keep Pierce, etc etc etc.

Get something for him while you can, or end up with a player nobody wants.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

He could average 40ppg for the rest of the season and I'd still say to trade him, good game or bad game, the Knicks should trade him. I've been consistent about this since last year he's not the type of player you build around as the cornerstone of a franchise.




No, he's not a bum, the problem is you act like he's LeBron. He's not a tier 1 guy, he's not a top 10 player by any metric and he's only going to get worse as he gets older. You have to know when to move on from a player, the Warriors with your mindset keep Monta Ellis, the Hawks keep Joe Johnson, the Celtics keep Pierce, etc etc etc.

Get something for him while you can, or end up with a player nobody wants.

Never said he was Lebron level.

Yeah I'm listen to a dude who hates Melo, and you're supposed to unbiased & objective, yeah okay buddy

 

[Malta]

Never said he was Lebron level.

Yeah I'm listen to a dude who hates Melo, and you're supposed to unbiased & objective, yeah okay buddy

Way too caught up in your feelings, I don't like his game, I don't "hate" him


You literally cant take any kind of criticism of Melo. I'm far more objective about him than you clearly.

 

[Victim of Racism]

 

[GhostoftheMan]

:philha:

 

[I.V.]

Never said he was Lebron level.

Yeah I'm listen to a dude who hates Melo, and you're supposed to unbiased & objective, yeah okay buddy

@Malta is one of the best-read and most knowledgeable posters on this board. He doesn't "hate" melo. He sees melo as a declining asset with a skillet that is hard to build around. Both of which are true.

Honestly, what's funny is Porzingis is EXACTLY the type of player Melo has always needed next to him, a defender/rim protector who can move without the ball to create easy shots, but also can spread the floor AND attack mismatches.

Unfortunately, they're 12 years apart... and at 31... you can't build AROUND Carmelo anymore, because he is going to get worse every year form here on out. That's just a fact. Time is undefeated, and he's already a lesser player than he was 2-3 years ago by a significant margin.

He's not trash, he's not not a superstar or a franchise changing talent.

The knicks have to prepare for life with Porzingis as the center of the franchise and not melo EVENTUALLY, anyway.... so the only question is WHEN you make that decision. I don't know that it's right now. But he has less trade value with every passing day, essentially.

Also, the Knicks - fresh off drafting their first great player in 30 years - are WITHOUT a pick this year to help improve the roster. The larger game being played is building a team that can consistently compete for a title. To do that, you need more talent than they have.

 

[Liquid]

He was suppose to lead a team full of d-leaguers & 12th men to the playoffs??? I guess we forgot about the 3 straight playoff appearances or winning the division, and the 1st year we missed the playoffs with him was by 1 game. But, I'll let y'all cook though.

IN THE WEAK ASS EAST? A player that makes MAX money? YES, if he can't at least get an 8th seed then it's time to move on.

You guys REALLY need to let that 54 win season go...that shyt is over and that team is gone. Melo is a few years older and is still trying to completely come back from an injury that sometimes limits players for the rest of their careers? This is what you guys are holding to? The Knicks are not winning a championship with Melo as "THE GUY". It is best for him AND the knicks to get moved, this isn't rocket science man

 

[ogc163]

I can't wait for the day Melo is gone. He is not leading this team to being contenders, no free agents want to come and play with this dude, and his contract and play will have the team stuck in mediocrity. I am not saying he is bad, but he is not good enough to garner the respect, admiration, and most importantly the inflexibility that is attached to him. At best the Knicks are 5th seed with him, I would suggest trading him for some young assets and build around KP. It will accelerate the process of seeing what works and doesn't work in relation to KP.

 

[OsO]

He could average 40ppg for the rest of the season and I'd still say to trade him, good game or bad game, the Knicks should trade him. I've been consistent about this since last year he's not the type of player you build around as the cornerstone of a franchise.




No, he's not a bum, the problem is you act like he's LeBron. He's not a tier 1 guy, he's not a top 10 player by any metric and he's only going to get worse as he gets older. You have to know when to move on from a player, the Warriors with your mindset keep Monta Ellis, the Hawks keep Joe Johnson, the Celtics keep Pierce, etc etc etc.

Get something for him while you can, or end up with a player nobody wants.

Ok we get it bro.

But if the Knicks can't get anything quality in return then why trade him? That's the point.

I can't wait for the day Melo is gone. He is not leading this team to being contenders, no free agents want to come and play with this dude, and his contract and play will have the team stuck in mediocrity. I am not saying he is bad, but he is not good enough to garner the respect, admiration, and most importantly the inflexibility that is attached to him. At best the Knicks are 5th seed with him, I would suggest trading him for some young assets and build around KP. It will accelerate the process of seeing what works and doesn't work in relation to KP.

Which young assets?

 

[I.V.]

Ok we get it bro.

But if the Knicks can't get anything quality in return then why trade him? That's the point.

Depends on your definition of "quality" - what is Melo worth right now? If somebody was willing to part with a top 15 pick, I'd have to immediately think about it. Useful young players, maybe a solid starter on a good deal?

Eventually, something is always better than nothing. But the question is how long you're willing to wait it out... you want to make the best deal you can.

 

[The War Report]

Yeah I'm listen to a dude who hates Melo, and you're supposed to unbiased & objective, yeah okay buddy

The irony. You make it clear that you're biased towards Melo. You act like Melo didn't force his way to New York and made us gut our team.

 

[OsO]

Depends on your definition of "quality" - what is Melo worth right now? If somebody was willing to part with a top 15 pick, I'd have to immediately think about it. Useful young players, maybe a solid starter on a good deal?

Eventually, something is always better than nothing. But the question is how long you're willing to wait it out... you want to make the best deal you can.

Who is coming out in the draft next year that is worth trading Melo?

And who could be some of these young players or solid starters? Without details this convo is moot.

 

[BAMBA]

If we had our draft pick after this season, I would be more interested in trade offers for Melo...but if we lose him, we are back to being a lottery team, and I'll be damned if I just hand over a lottery pick without a fight.