Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Clyde lied when he said O'Bryant "did a good job on 'Melo". 'Melo was having his way, shooting 50% from the field before the Bucks started doubling him.
 

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I'm riding with Melo till the wheels fall off.
FOH.

He's not being traded, he's the Knicks at this point and I'm grateful right now.

Quote me. Trading Melo would give us some good assets but I'm happy with what he's going to give us.

For 2 years, he's destroyed his body hustling for the City and playing with bums that I still rooted for. If the Melo of 2 years ago was with Porzingis...
:salute:

Melo my favorite player ever... And I don't believe this is the best he's gonna be from now on... I just don't want us to spend the season digging ourselves out of a situation we could have avoided. Like dude said, i'd love to get to like 18-12 in this stretch...
 

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Knicks fans got annoyed with Ewing because even as late as 2001 he still wanted to be the focal point of the offense.

Knicks fans are mad because it looks like Melo can't even lead a team to an 8th seed in the east :mjcry:

He was suppose to lead a team full of d-leaguers & 12th men to the playoffs??? I guess we forgot about the 3 straight playoff appearances or winning the division, and the 1st year we missed the playoffs with him was by 1 game. But, I'll let y'all cook though.
 

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You're right. Kobe has at least the accolades and rings to deserve the praise he gets from. If Melo was playing like Kobe this season, he'd get booed out of LA but Melo is in NY where they are used to losers, give him some damn respect and stop acting like y'all deserve better.

:mjlol: you care way to much about this.

This thread is full of people who stuck with this team through hell and back we have the right to have an opinion, especially when its becoming clear Melo is beginning his decline. Like you said he's not Kobe, and the Lakers were retarded for reupping him for what they did too and you know it'

Anyway if your still a fan of the lakers 5 years from now when they maybe don't suck donkey balls then you can talk about being a good fan or not. :jawalrus:

I'm on the "let Melo stay to help KP transition" train myself but knick fans who aren't bandwagon fans can make an argument trade Melo now before he becomes the teams derrick rose, Amare, etc albatross contract. Because we know cap hell.
 

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:wtf:

I never thought I'd live to see the day you compared Melo to Kobe.

This would be like me comparing David Lee to Tim Duncan, damn Cant...just damn.




He's shooting 41% on the season and the most troubling part is that he's at 49% from 0-3 feet of the basket which is a career low and for perspective elite finishers convert around 60% there. If he can't regain his lift he's not the same player, you keep putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalalala".

He's turning 32 next year and is coming off knee surgery, at what point do you start to get it that he may not ever be the same guy? And he's no longer even a top 3 guy at his own position, Kawhi, Paul, KD and Bron are all better. You're planning around a dude that isn't top 10 and talking about him like he's some once in a lifetime untradable dude in his early 20s, that shyt is insanity.

Take your Duncan loving ass to another thread where people care about your opinion.

I never understood why people who aren't Knicks fans always come in here with their analysis like we care.
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
Take your Duncan loving ass to another thread where people care about your opinion.

I never understood why people who aren't Knicks fans always come in here with their analysis like we care.


"lalalalalalalala, I'm not listening" - You

You don't need to be a fan of a team to discuss them :camby: And the fact is, I'm less biased about what they need than you, you have an emotional attachment to Melo. You get in your feelings and can't talk about him objectively at all, what did I say there that wasn't fact? :jbhmm:
 

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"lalalalalalalala, I'm not listening" - You

You don't need to be a fan of a team to discuss them :camby: And the fact is, I'm less biased about what they need than you, you have an emotional attachment to Melo. You get in your feelings and can't talk about him objectively at all, what did I say there that wasn't fact? :jbhmm:

Could care less about your opinion breh, take that shyt to the random observation thread.
 

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@Malta you really think Melo is a tradeable asset? If he's getting traded, you aren't getting great value. My point was that regardless of how bad Melo is playing right now, you gotta be realistic and understand it's not likely that he'll be traded so support him and ride with him. All I read is trade him like he's the real problem.
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
@Malta you really think Melo is a tradeable asset? If he's getting traded, you aren't getting great value. My point was that regardless of how bad Melo is playing right now, you gotta be realistic and understand it's not likely that he'll be traded so support him and ride with him. All I read is trade him like he's the real problem.

Yes he's tradeable, there's a couple of teams that would give up some players & picks to get him while also being teams he'd go to. You'll never get equal value for a star player, but getting something for him can set you up better for the future.


The point is to get something now before it's too late, he's not a player that will have a lot of value if he's not scoring at an elite level. Last year they could have potentially gotten Butler and Mirotic for him, this year if you asked the Bulls for Butler for Melo they'd tell you to kick rocks. If he's worse next year we're talking about a player that isn't elite defensively and isn't a great facilitator on offense, and most importantly he plays at a position with some ridiculously good players.

He's never won them a title, he's never been the best player in the league, he's not a top 10 player right now, yet dudes like @Mr. Jack Napier talk about him like he's all of these things.
 

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You don't like my opinion because it goes at your beloved Melo :Guidedtoislam:


Nah, I'll stick around, plenty of other Knicks fans have @'d me to come in this thread :manny:

Nah, you don't like Melo & when he does have a good game your ass is ghost. And the same clowns @ you to come in the thread are probably the same morons who wanted to keep Gallonari and Lin over him.
 

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Yes he's tradeable, there's a couple of teams that would give up some players & picks to get him while also being teams he'd go to. You'll never get equal value for a star player, but getting something for him can set you up better for the future.


The point is to get something now before it's too late, he's not a player that will have a lot of value if he's not scoring at an elite level. Last year they could have potentially gotten Butler and Mirotic for him, this year if you asked the Bulls for Butler for Melo they'd tell you to kick rocks. If he's worse next year we're talking about a player that isn't elite defensively and isn't a great facilitator on offense, and most importantly he plays at a position with some ridiculously good players.

He's never won them a title, he's never been the best player in the league, he's not a top 10 player right now, yet dudes like @Mr. Jack Napier talk about him like he's all of these things.

You act like this dude is a bum, like he's some third string scrub, foh.
 

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I never thought I'd live to see the day you compared Melo to Kobe.

This would be like me comparing David Lee to Tim Duncan, damn Cant...just damn.




He's shooting 41% on the season and the most troubling part is that he's at 49% from 0-3 feet of the basket which is a career low and for perspective elite finishers convert around 60% there. If he can't regain his lift he's not the same player, you keep putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalalala".

He's turning 32 next year and is coming off knee surgery, at what point do you start to get it that he may not ever be the same guy? And he's no longer even a top 3 guy at his own position, Kawhi, Paul, KD and Bron are all better. You're planning around a dude that isn't top 10 and talking about him like he's some once in a lifetime untradable dude in his early 20s, that shyt is insanity.
Year 2 into his contract and it's already looking like a colossal mess. Dude has a player option in the final year of his contract for 27 mil. You think he's gonna opt out when he's :flabbynsick: :heh:
 

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Yes he's tradeable, there's a couple of teams that would give up some players & picks to get him while also being teams he'd go to. You'll never get equal value for a star player, but getting something for him can set you up better for the future.


The point is to get something now before it's too late, he's not a player that will have a lot of value if he's not scoring at an elite level. Last year they could have potentially gotten Butler and Mirotic for him, this year if you asked the Bulls for Butler for Melo they'd tell you to kick rocks. If he's worse next year we're talking about a player that isn't elite defensively and isn't a great facilitator on offense, and most importantly he plays at a position with some ridiculously good players.

He's never won them a title, he's never been the best player in the league, he's not a top 10 player right now, yet dudes like @Mr. Jack Napier talk about him like he's all of these things.

I was on that Butler, Mirotec (or Taj) plus picks train myself. I don't think the Bulls wanted to trade. They wanted Melo to take a major paycut on some a$$hole shyt.

shyt I remember arguing on knick forums that the knicks should of traded Amare for Vucevic and Iggy, Plus a pick with the 76ers the year after the knicks got Melo and the rumor was the 76ers wanted Amare bad..... but nobody wanted to hear me and thought I was crazy to say that was a good trade.

:francis:

Anyhow the only team I could see maybe trading for Melo where equal value could be argued as happening is with the wizards based around a sign and trade of Beal's injury prone ass and Porter (which maybe a pick coming back to the knicks).

Honestly there aren't any trades out there for Melo worth the trouble. Better to hope he evolves into a more efficient scorer who can take a backseat to KP. He sounds like he's willing to do that and continue to build the team. His contract isn't that crazy with the cap going up either if he holds up more and more teams will have easier times making contracts for him that work cap wise. Until then let him serve as KP's mentor, Its likely a major part of why KP is able to adjust his game so quickly.
:ehh:
 

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I was on that Butler, Mirotec (or Taj) plus picks train myself. I don't think the Bulls wanted to trade. They wanted Melo to take a major paycut on some a$$hole shyt.

shyt I remember arguing on knick forums that the knicks should of traded Amare for Vucevic and Iggy, Plus a pick with the 76ers the year after the knicks got Melo and the rumor was the 76ers wanted Amare bad..... but nobody wanted to hear me and thought I was crazy to say that was a good trade.

:francis:

Anyhow the only team I could see maybe trading for Melo where equal value could be argued as happening is with the wizards based around a sign and trade of Beal's injury prone ass and Porter (which maybe a pick coming back to the knicks).

Honestly there aren't any trades out there for Melo worth the trouble. Better to hope he evolves into a more efficient scorer who can take a backseat to KP. He sounds like he's willing to do that and continue to build the team. His contract isn't that crazy with the cap going up either if he holds up more and more teams will have easier times making contracts for him that work cap wise. Until then let him serve as KP's mentor, Its likely a major part of why KP is able to adjust his game so quickly.
:ehh:


Wash wouldn't take melo lol

They already think there getting kd too

And i doubt Philly wouldv took that mare deal

Mare was already injury prone and washed
 
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