Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Victim of Racism]

Knicks fans got annoyed with Ewing because even as late as 2001 he still wanted to be the focal point of the offense.

Knicks fans are mad because it looks like Melo can't even lead a team to an 8th seed in the east

He may not, with the team being new and having to learn a new offense that is causing 4th quarter droughts that he isn't apart of. He's averaging 5.1 ppg in the 4th, good for 29th in the league and coming off of surgery. I'll bet you were worshiping Lj the times he missed the playoffs in a weak East. You don't speak for all NY fans. Talking 'bout "we're mad at him for [this and that]". You have your own biases. How about you speak for yourself.

 

[Victim of Racism]

IN THE WEAK ASS EAST? A player that makes MAX money? YES, if he can't at least get an 8th seed then it's time to move on.

You guys REALLY need to let that 54 win season go...that shyt is over and that team is gone. Melo is a few years older and is still trying to completely come back from an injury that sometimes limits players for the rest of their careers? This is what you guys are holding to? The Knicks are not winning a championship with Melo as "THE GUY". It is best for him AND the knicks to get moved, this isn't rocket science man

He doesn't make the max. And why would he be expected to take a new team with a new offense that they've never played before to the playoffs after coming off of knee surgery? Why exactly can't NY win with 28 ppg and 7 rpg on 45% and elite defense? That's ridiculous. Is it because Lj couldn't win for 7 straight years and had to jump on stacked teams? Is it because KD can't win on stacked teams? Is it because Lj missed the playoffs twice in a weak East when his team wasn't tanking? Is it because KD missed the playoffs twice, including with Chuckbrook?

 

[Victim of Racism]

I can't wait for the day Melo is gone. He is not leading this team to being contenders, no free agents want to come and play with this dude, and his contract and play will have the team stuck in mediocrity. I am not saying he is bad, but he is not good enough to garner the respect, admiration, and most importantly the inflexibility that is attached to him. At best the Knicks are 5th seed with him, I would suggest trading him for some young assets and build around KP. It will accelerate the process of seeing what works and doesn't work in relation to KP.

What proof do you have that no one wants to play with him? The fact that Lj went "home" for PR? That overrated Aldridge went to the best team in the league? That old-man Gasol stayed in Memphis for the money?

How will 'Melo's contract keep them "stuck in mediocrity" when the cap is going up and he's stuck for 4 years (unlike Lj who will be renegotiating his contract according to the cap increase)? How will 28 ppg, 7 rpg, and elite defense keep them "stuck in mediocrity"? You're just regurgitating the media's talking points instead of thinking for yourself.

How can you "build around" KP when he can't create his own shot and depends on the wide open shots 'Melo gets him to score?

 

[JerseyFinest!]

The problem with trading Melo isn't finding suitors who want Melo, it's finding a team Melo wants to go to, can match Melo's massive salary, and gives the Knicks back at least some decent assets, and the only two teams that fit the criteria that come to my head, are the Heat and the Rockets. So I haven't even entertained the thought of Melo being traded, if it happens it'll probably be in the offseason or next season, when he'll admittedly be a depreciated asset most likely. For now it seems like the front office wants the team to try and be competitive so they look better to free agents the next couple of offseasons.

Exactly! I don't see how anybody that's a Knicks Fan can't get this by now.

BUT dudes act like females. When they think they're right, their gonna puff their chest out. then the minute it's the opposite it won't even be a topic of discussion.

Melo salary doesn't limit the Knicks in anyway. So why Is trading a dude with a no-trade clause even a topic besides to say " I told you so" and we're 21 games into the season in which we were picked to win 25-30 games and stand at 10 wins. 3.5 games from first place.

 

[Miles Davis]

 

[Victim of Racism]

I hope 'Melo waives his no-trade clause, so KP can go back to shooting in the 30's because he ain't 'bout to lead no one to no playoffs in his rookie year, not even in a weak East, like 'Melo did in a brutal West in his rookie year and every year after that until NY started tanking for Trash Hardaway Jr. and KP. Then, we would see how "franchise player" and "rook of the year" KP is.

Some of y'all don't deserve a player of 'Melo's caliber. No one has shot the ball as well as 'Melo since Kobe. Lj can't shoot. KD and Curry need screens, transition, and stars to distract defenses. Lj, KD, and Curry do not have a post-up game (all Curry does is chuck 40ft 3's). Lj, KD, and Curry are trash on defense (all they do is roam around for blocks and steals while someone else guards their match-up).

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Brehs,

I just played a game on 2K live and I beat someone playing with the Knicks and they were the Mavs.
Like tonight's game....
What does this mean, brehs?
We getting the W, tonight
This is a good sign, brehs

:philjacksonlol:

 

[Derek Lee]

Brehs,

I just played a game on 2K live and I beat someone playing with the Knicks and they were the Mavs.
Like tonight's game....
What does this mean, brehs?
We getting the W, tonight
This is a good sign, brehs

:philjacksonlol:

Looking good.
Make your free throws and cut down on the careless turnovers.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Looking good.
Make your free throws and cut down the careless turnovers.

:mjlol1:

I have no idea how but I always get mad TOs.

Hmu on Xbox live if you wanna get that work - pause.

nah, to all my knickstape brehs, add ur boi on xbl and let's get down on some 2k

 

[I.V.]

Who is coming out in the draft next year that is worth trading Melo?

And who could be some of these young players or solid starters? Without details this convo is moot.

Well, off the top of my head: If you get a shot at a top 10 pick... you immediately have to consider it simply based on the way it sets you up. Simmons, Skal, Jaylen Brown, Murray, Bender, Luwawu, kris dunn, Zimmermand or Korkmaz if you're a believer?

There is a good amount of talent, and you have them for like 7 years at low rates... you have to think about the next 5 years... What if they were offered mid-firsts in each of the next two drafts plus a role guys who's decent and filler?
What if Houston gets desperate and wants to take their shot with Hardin/Melo/Dwight? Or the mavs offered two firsts to try to get Dirk back to the finals one last time? and used Chandsome and Zaza as the cap filler? Those deals are over after next season.

You're not going to get wiggins or towns or kawhi for Melo, not at this stage... So you have to figure out what is best for the team - in three years would it be best to have a lower cap number, young guys, and picks, or would it be better to have Melo going on 35?

I'm not totally sure what the answer is... but I know that melo isn't getting BETTER over the next three years. So you have to manage value, and give yourself opportunities.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Well, off the top of my head: If you get a shot at a top 10 pick... you immediately have to consider it simply based on the way it sets you up. Simmons, Skal, Jaylen Brown, Murray, Bender, Luwawu, kris dunn, Zimmermand or Korkmaz if you're a believer?

There is a good amount of talent, and you have them for like 7 years at low rates... you have to think about the next 5 years... What if they were offered mid-firsts in each of the next two drafts plus a role guys who's decent and filler?
What if Houston gets desperate and wants to take their shot with Hardin/Melo/Dwight? Or the mavs offered two firsts to try to get Dirk back to the finals one last time? and used Chandsome and Zaza as the cap filler? Those deals are over after next season.

You're not going to get wiggins or towns or kawhi for Melo, not at this stage... So you have to figure out what is best for the team - in three years would it be best to have a lower cap number, young guys, and picks, or would it be better to have Melo going on 35?

I'm not totally sure what the answer is... but I know that melo isn't getting BETTER over the next three years. So you have to manage value, and give yourself opportunities.

You referred to another man as "Chandsome"...

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Brehs,

I just played a game on 2K live and I beat someone playing with the Knicks and they were the Mavs.
Like tonight's game....
What does this mean, brehs?
We getting the W, tonight
This is a good sign, brehs

:philjacksonlol:

I banged ya girl

 

[I.V.]

You referred to another man as "Chandsome"...

That's a coli nickname - I don't like his game, but I like his shorter contract, and he could at least be useful. 16/5/4 with high 30's 3pt%.

Anyway. I'm just spitballing, trying to get an idea of what the knicks would get for Melo.

 

[GhostoftheMan]

I banged ya girl

the disrespect :philha:

 

[Malta]

Ok we get it bro.

But if the Knicks can't get anything quality in return then why trade him? That's the point.



Which young assets?

You're not going to get equal value, try and get a return for him though that includes a young player, the ideal trade partner would be the Heat with Winslow since he fills a need and has a high ceiling.

Good thing yall gave him a NTC you could have raided the Suns cookie jar (Morris, Booker & Warren), but Dolan bending to the will of Carmelo was just