Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Trip]

Address what he said.

And there is planning - it simply doesn't fit what you believe should be done.

Your sky is falling, they need to rebuild and stop doing xyz agenda has been amusing at times over the years but it's really not applicable this off season. Your failure to put things in the proper context and just spout out the same "blow it up" "trade Melo" without regard for reality is just...stop, bruh.

Trading Carmelo isnt realistic and I've never said such things. He's got the NTC and isnt going anywhere. I was just saying if the Knicks were to move on from him, the sky wouldnt be falling especially in context with the current construction of the team. He's more replaceable than people realize.

 

[Daniel.]

Trading Carmelo isnt realistic and I've never said such things. He's got the NTC and isnt going anywhere. I was just saying if the Knicks were to move on from him, the sky wouldnt be falling especially in context with the current construction of the team. He's more replaceable than people realize.

And to the point that was addressed earlier, when compared to Portland, your idea makes no sense. Moving LMA but still having the young talent Portland had in the wreckage versus moving Melo and being left with Galloway, Grant, etc. to carry the load would be a nightmare. Losing Melo for the Knicks at that point is not analogous to Portland losing LMA. But for you, going 17-65 3 years in a row and hoping to get more Porzingis level talent each time would be the goal and reflects great management, so, yeah....

 

[Trip]

And to the point that was addressed earlier, when compared to Portland, your idea makes no sense. Moving LMA but still having the young talent Portland had in the wreckage versus moving Melo and being left with Galloway, Grant, etc. to carry the load would be a nightmare. Losing Melo for the Knicks at that point is not analogous to Portland losing LMA But for you, going 17-65 3 years in a row and hoping to get more Porzingis level talent would be the goal.

I was using Portland as an example of folks overrating volume scorers from a replaceability standpoint. The NTC was stupid... The goal for the Knicks should be to keep picks, find cheaper players with upside(like the Blazers did with Aminu and Davis)...

I guess you could argue the true reset wont really happen till Melo's contract expires...but I think we all would agree Phil will be gone at that point too.

 

[Trip]

versus moving Melo and being left with Galloway, Grant, etc. to carry the load would be a nightmare. .

uhh well they havent won much with Carmelo...so...

 

[Prodyson]

Melo at this stage of his career isnt a max player, regardless of what the market bears right now(or which team would make a mistake in overpaying him). He's 32 coming off of two seasons of being injured. His shooting efficiency is average and his 3 point shot has declined(something he really needs to improve on this year).

The Rose trade would have been ok if the sole reason was to try and get rid of Lopez's contract(even though I think he should of commanded more than Rose) but then they go out and give Noah, an older player with injury risk even more than what they were paying RoLo. I've also liked Noah and he's a good player if he's healthy...but he's never healthy. I just dont get the longterm outlook here other than Phil saying fukk it I cant deal with James anymore and let me overspend now.

Lee's a fine player too in a vacuum and an obvious upgrade from AA(who legit sucked) but the production Lee is going to give you is pretty much a given at this stage of his career and we probably would have been fine just letting a younger guy get those minutes.

Once again...

1. The only thing that matters is what the market dictates. What you THINK players are worth means nothing when the majority of teams are willing and able to pay more.

2. There was no point in elaborating on Noah when I (and pretty much everyone on this board) already pointed out the the move was a headscratcher and ill-advised

3. That's just your opinion. That's why they're GMs and your just a fan. But I wouldn't fault you having that opinion. The only problem with it though is who were they going to sign with any significant upside at that pricetag. Saying they should do that is fine until you realize its not realistic. You could very well end up with a 13 million dollar bum trying to take that risk.

 

[Daniel.]

uhh well they havent won much with Carmelo...so...

You can't look at things like that in such a vacuum. For talent that may have been of value, throwing them to the wolves and letting them sink or swim could fukk up a career in the process. You're not accounting for other variables, you're just saying this isn't working here, it's working somewhere else, so it would work with us.

Like I said, put things in their proper context bruh.

 

[Trip]

You can't look at things like that in such a vacuum. For talent that may have been of value, throwing them to the wolves and letting them sink or swim could fukk up a career in the process. You're not accounting for other variables, you're just saying this isn't working here, it's working somewhere else, so it would work with us.

Like I said, put things in their proper context bruh.

fair enough. If everything goes right this year the Knicks could be a top 5 team in the east. The variants for this roster is pretty wide...whcih I guess makes the year interesting at least, even though I disagree with the roster construction.

 

[Daniel.]

I was using Portland as an example of folks overrating volume scorers from a replaceability standpoint. The NTC was stupid... The goal for the Knicks should be to keep picks, find cheaper players with upside(like the Blazers did with Aminu and Davis)...

I guess you could argue the true reset wont really happen till Melo's contract expires...but I think we all would agree Phil will be gone at that point too.

What do you call the undrafted signees and picking up players from Europe? What do you call signing Courtney Lee to like 10 mil a year when players of lesser skill getting 15 or more?

They're doing exactly what you're saying they should be doing. They have full control of their picks for the first time in years and can now start using the draft as you feel they should. Prior to, Porzingis is the crown jewel of their selections (and you don't consider him to be all that good, of course).

This team could have talent, cap space and wins out the ass and you'd still complain that the trim on their jerseys just aren't that aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Grass is always greener type shyt. You're a contrarian. Nothing more, nothing less. I just had to get my posts in since you've usurped the last however many pages with your nonsense.

 

[Daniel.]

fair enough. If everything goes right this year the Knicks could be a top 5 team in the east. The variants for this roster is pretty wide...whcih I guess makes the year interesting at least, even though I disagree with the roster construction.

I wouldn't even go Top 5 given the injury risk, but the opportunity to put Porzingis around hungry, chip on the shoulder type dudes is the biggest thing to me. But fair enough.

 

[Trip]

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This team could have talent, cap space and wins out the ass and you'd still complain that the trim on their jerseys just aren't that aesthetically pleasing to the eye.

I actually like the retro jerseys and the return to the old blue paint at MSG.

 

[Daniel.]

I actually like the retro jerseys and the return to the old blue paint at MSG.

 

[Cory MBA]

Let me know when y'all stop bickering.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Let me know when y'all stop bickering.

No breh it's fun! I don't see this going on in any other stanbases threads. Our one season thread pages= All other Stanbase season threads combined

 

[Ironman]

No breh it's fun! I don't see this going on in any other stanbases threads. Our one season thread pages= All other Stanbase season threads combined

Just wait until the season starts and we start a win streak then a losing streak then pick up another win streakKnicks fan base population is either going to be ridiculously high or still high

 

[Cory MBA]

No breh it's fun! I don't see this going on in any other stanbases threads. Our one season thread pages= All other Stanbase season threads combined

True.