Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread
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That the Blazers are better managed? That's obvious. At the end of the day the Knicks need to stop paying for players based on what the once were and hold onto picks. It's better to be young and flexible than old an expensive. If any franchise in sports can afford to be bad in order to get good its the Knicks...
Isnt Gobert a FA next year? There just doesnt seem to be much planning going on. They reverted back to Dolan ball and overpaying for names past their primes...
The Jets are just as guilty as refusing to rebuild as the Knicks are...but this is not the thread for that. The Knicks can actually afford the rebuild more than the Jets can. Idzik came in here and the season ticket holders revolted. The Knicks lower bowl is full of celebs on their phones.
tremonthustler1
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oh they've tried. Your boy Idzik was awful though.
The rush to appease Melo makes no sense. The Knicks won 17 games two years ago and landed Porzningis. Isnt that a good thing? Better than trying to recreate the 2011 Bulls anyways.
that's your opinion which youre entitled to. I think the win/loss record over the past 3 years or so more fits what Im saying tho.
Speaking of win loss records... how well did the Knicks play in games where Melo didn't play?
They didnt play very well when he played either. It's hard to take anything away from a 33 win season other than Kristaps looking like he'll be a good player.
storyteller
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If they can have enough success to convince a true Max value player to come over next offseason and commit to four years playing with KP, it could work out to KP's benefit as well. That's a massive if, but I really don't think they did all this without KP in mind also.
Be real breh.
You just like to get a rise out everyone here
I respect it.
I just have different takes than the masses.
One day I hope more people realize that volume scoring doesnt = wins.You didn't answer my question. They won ZERO games without him.
They were a 33 win team with Melo starting the season recovering from an injury, then getting hurt again from a freak accident, then Porzingis (the de facto second option) getting hurt... then they started cutting minutes and shutting players down when they were out of playoff contention. In reality they were probably closer to a 40-42 win team... and they got better this year... without losing a draft pick or significantly affecting future flexibility.
They didn't overpay for Lee because the going rate this offseason for a player of his skill was actually more than what he is getting paid. What you THINK he should be getting paid is really irrelevant. Also, as many people have already mentioned, the only REAL risk was signing Noah to that contract. We kept a good talent for cheap in Lance Thomas who was being courted by many teams, we have the second best rookie coming back, we brought over two foreigners who seem to have promise. And Melo is getting paid less than or the same as almost every player that signed a max deal this year. If Melo was a free agent right now somebody would be paying him 27-28 mil and increasing. But the Knicks are paying him now in the range of Beal, Batum, Parsons, Howard, Barnes etc. are making.... and significantly less than Mike freaking Conley.
I'm not sure what there is to be mad about (other than the Noah contact) when you actually compare the Knicks situation to the rest of the league.
Melo at this stage of his career isnt a max player, regardless of what the market bears right now(or which team would make a mistake in overpaying him). He's 32 coming off of two seasons of being injured. His shooting efficiency is average and his 3 point shot has declined(something he really needs to improve on this year).
The Rose trade would have been ok if the sole reason was to try and get rid of Lopez's contract(even though I think he should of commanded more than Rose) but then they go out and give Noah, an older player with injury risk even more than what they were paying RoLo. I've always liked Noah and he's a good player if he's healthy...but he's never healthy. I just dont get the longterm outlook here other than Phil saying fukk it I cant deal with James anymore and let me overspend now.
Lee's a fine player too in a vacuum and an obvious upgrade from AA(who legit sucked) but the production Lee is going to give you is pretty much a given at this stage of his career and we probably would have been fine just letting a younger guy get those minutes.
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Daniel.
BK to NJ, but always a New York Knicka
Address what he said.
And there is planning - it simply doesn't fit what you believe should be done.
Your sky is falling, they need to rebuild and stop doing xyz agenda has been amusing at times over the years but it's really not applicable this off season. Your failure to put things in the proper context and just spout out the same "blow it up" "trade Melo" without regard for reality is just...stop, bruh.
"Overpaying" for Rose by ridding contracts that would extend 2-3 seasons longer than next year is not a bad move and grants the flexibility you crave.
Bringing in a Courtney Lee on a manageable deal and as a solid piece for the forseeable future is not a bad move and grants the flexibility you crave.
Bringing in a presence like Noah provides an intangible dynamic that goes beyond production on the court and has a net plus for your team even if it doesn't always end up on the box score. While any reasonable fan can view his contract as excessive, but given the caliber of PERSON there's value beyond him as an individual that I can respect and understand the decision means more than the standard signing and is more a representation of Phil and his team dynamic approach.
You're the proverbial old man yelling at the sky because the team isn't built like other teams - but the teams you're comparing them to are ultimately going nowhere. Portland? Really? That's your bar right now? They drafted well so they're better managed? They're a perennial treadmill team, regardless of their ability to draft well.
This team is in the process of building a core based on culture, first. Selfless play, team play. They're making the moves to create the cap space flexibility they've never had and will finally have picks to use after years of mismanagement from previous regimes. Please use the proper context for this team as it is being currently constructed and let go of this contrarian act that no longer applies to the team.
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