Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Wargames]

Ariza would be great I'm not sure if he's on the block, you add him to Jennings and Thomas and our bench quickly becomes a strength...

You know Morey is going to want a 1st for Ariza......

I rather we ride out with Lance

 

[JerseyFinest!]

Cats is really living off Biyombo's great series against Cleveland.

Right!!

It's a reason going into last season the Raptors were able to basically get him for the min.

Noah is definitely a big risk, but the payoff if it works is a glove fit for the Knicks, and honestly when you put everything into perspective it's not even that big of a risk

Like I think J Murder posted Biyombo is only a fit on one side of the court, the Knicks still plan on running some form of the Triangle. Signing a Biyombo to play in our system would be equilvalent to having Tyson Chandler still and running the triangle, just isn't a good fit on the offensive end.

 

[Derek Lee]

Ok... My point is that he's arguably better than a healthy Noah...and it is debatable to even say that. A healthy Noah is still a better offensive player because of his excellent passing and a great defender.


You didn't say anything wrong in this post. Noah was still the better option even with the bad contract he's getting. The fact is Biyombo only fits on this team defensively. Offensively, Noah isn't required to be near the basket to be effective due to his great passing ability. Secondly, Biyombo being a young starting center next to KP means you've decided to permanently halt his growth as a center. The reason Lopez was a great signing was because he allowed us to see KP at center when he wasn't playing well, or when we didn't have a great matchup. You get Biyombo he'll get most of the minutes at center regardless of who's on the court. Noah allows us to build our future while still being competitive AND without giving up too much defensively. I don't like contract, but the move makes sense if you're trying to build KP as our future center

No, Noah's not the better option for the short term or long term option at the center position. They're both offensive liabilities at this point so I don't know why you're bringing up Joakim's passing ability when he's not going to be a vocal point of this offense and his presence will clog up the paint, too with his inability to space the floor. At least, Biyombo can finish at a high rate around the rim and maybe a threat in the PNR as a rim diver unlike Noah who shot 44.5% from 0-3 ft and 41% on layups. Shot below 40% from the field overall. Biyombo was the better overall player last year and will probably the better player going forward. Not trusting someone who's missed 68 games the last two years to stay healthy. It's an albatross of contract
They can trade Biyombo when Porzingis is ready to play full-time at the 5, because of his very reasonable contract. KP still hasn't proved he can be the primary 5. TEam rebounding% was awful without Lopez on the court.

 

[JMurder]

No, Noah's not the better option for the short term or long term option at the center position. They're both offensive liabilities at this point so I don't know why you're bringing up Joakim's passing ability when he's not going to be a vocal point of this offense and his presence will clog up the paint, too with his inability to space the floor. At least, Biyombo can finish at a high rate around the rim and maybe a threat in the PNR as a rim diver unlike Noah who shot 44.5% from 0-3 ft and 41% on layups. Shot below 40% from the field overall. Biyombo was the better overall player last year and will probably the better player going forward. Not trusting someone who's missed 68 games the last two years to stay healthy. It's an albatross of contract
They can trade Biyombo when Porzingis is ready to play full-time at the 5, because of his very reasonable contract. KP still hasn't proved he can be the primary 5. TEam rebounding% was awful without Lopez on the court.

We already have a PNR threat with KP on the court. There needs to be another passer on the court...we got enough finishers and jump shooters

 

[#SOG_soldier]

I hope this shyt pans out because Hornacek loves running a guard heavy team, but them suns teams were after a few years.

That's on our horrible front office. They fukked up our team and they wanted too long to trade keef moriss and gave Tyson 4 years

 

[RickyGQ]

No, Noah's not the better option for the short term or long term option at the center position. They're both offensive liabilities at this point so I don't know why you're bringing up Joakim's passing ability when he's not going to be a vocal point of this offense and his presence will clog up the paint, too with his inability to space the floor. At least, Biyombo can finish at a high rate around the rim and maybe a threat in the PNR as a rim diver unlike Noah who shot 44.5% from 0-3 ft and 41% on layups. Shot below 40% from the field overall. Biyombo was the better overall player last year and will probably the better player going forward. Not trusting someone who's missed 68 games the last two years to stay healthy. It's an albatross of contract
They can trade Biyombo when Porzingis is ready to play full-time at the 5, because of his very reasonable contract. KP still hasn't proved he can be the primary 5. TEam rebounding% was awful without Lopez on the court.

Noah isn't an offensive liability. He's just not a major scoring threat. You can run an offense through Noah...

 

[Ironman]

We can still bring back Galloway brehs

How the Knicks will sign Brandon Jennings, Lance Thomas, and maybe Langston Galloway

 

[Derek Lee]

We already have a PNR threat with KP on the court. There needs to be another passer on the court...we got enough finishers and jump shooters

His passing won't make up for the fact that he can't finish around the rim and shoot. Got exposed in last years playoff for those specific weaknesses against the Cavs. Neither Bismack nor Joakim are gonna be offensive threats with the Knicks.

 

[Derek Lee]

Noah isn't an offensive liability. He's just not a major scoring threat. You can run an offense through Noah...

That team finished 28th in offensive rating and 30th in ppg.

 

[Malta]

I didn't understand your first question. The rest of the post is ignoring my point that if you sign a Biyombo, then he would be our starting center and KP would remain our power forward. Noah's contract is terrible, but all of the question marks are fine because they allow us to work Porzingis into the center position instead of throwing him into the fire. This was as much a development move as it was a move to help us win now.

Knicks striking that balance between developing for the future and winning in the present

Edit:. I realized that you probably read this and are fine with Porzingis being our starting power forward because the starting lineup would be better now. My response to that is:. A developed 7'3 center who can shoot and defend >>>>> Biyombo. Then we can move Melo to the 4 and have an even better team then what we could have potentially had otherwise

Your point doesn't even make sense, you signed Noah who is your center for the foreseeable future, and Biyombo can defend PFs so I'm not even where you're going with that. If Noah were signed to a 2 year deal what you're saying would make sense, he's not though, he's on a 4 year deal and there's no telling whether or not his body will hold up for even another year.

If Noah's contract is terrible why are you even talking any further? You're just rambling on and on, you're talking about Noah being your center for three years until Kristaps is physically ready to be a fulltime center, and when that time is up your plan is to play a 35-36 year old Melo at PF?

 

[Malta]

Noah isn't an offensive liability. He's just not a major scoring threat. You can run an offense through Noah...

Noah IS an offensive liability, they ran offense through Noah because they had to, because Rose was always injured and their PGs were straight garbage. What happened is that it was pretty successful when he could finish at the rim, but eventually teams just backed off him and played him for the drive and he couldn't finish at the rim, to the point he's been shooting sub 50% at the rim the last two seasons which is about 20% lower than what a big should shoot at the rim.

 

[JMurder]

His passing won't make up for the fact that he can't finish around the rim and shoot. Got exposed in last years playoff for those specific weaknesses against the Cavs. Neither Bismack nor Joakim are gonna be offensive threats with the Knicks.

Once again, we won't need him to be an offensive threat in the sense of scoring....we need him to be a threat with his PASSING. We also need him to rebound and last season in less minutes Noah outrebounded Biyombo in Offensive boards and overall. Biyombo may be the better defender but it's not by a whole lot. Biyombo's ability to score around the rim is moot because we don't want him down there anyway unless it's to clean up the boards

 

[JMurder]

Your point doesn't even make sense, you signed Noah who is your center for the foreseeable future,

no...he's our center for this season and maybe next season....anything beyond that is up to KP's development

 

[Malta]

On pure speculation here, I think they're gonna try to turn Willy Hernangomez into the front court long term partner. The release of Galloway was specifically to keep cap space available that could be used on a 3 year contract, which means they essentially want to lock up his bird rights and they already have built in chemistry (Phil's begun to show a pattern of getting players who already have rapport or previous experience together). I have no clue how that'll work out, haven't seen enough of the kid to make my own judgements and I was really high on Biyombo but just looking at the way they were willing to drop Galloway's QO just to lock-up Bird rights; it seems like the long term plans are based on this cat.

Hernangomez is a traditional C though, and @JMurder told me that Kristaps will be the C, so why even bother developing him

 

[JMurder]

Hernangomez is a traditional C though, and @JMurder told me that Kristaps will be the C, so why even bother developing him

He's not projected to be anything more than a bench player. Porzingis is our potential star center. I'll let you cook tho