Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Not to be that guy but any NBA starting lineup with 4 white guys might not be the best :patrice:

Fisher's rotations have been Byron Scott bad since he's started. Phil needs to talk to him.
Chill. Don't do that breh.

Calderon is the issue. Period. If Felton was in that position...Felton would be the problem also.
 

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Chill. Don't do that breh.

Calderon is the issue. Period. If Felton was in that position...Felton would be the problem also.
I agree, but Calderon and vujacic is a trash back court. Throw in robin Lopez and you have maybe 3 of the least athletic players in the league. Against the Hawks, or any other young uptempo team, that's a recipe of disaster. I don't know what Fisher is thinking with that group.

I'm with you though. Put Galloway out there for the sake of basketball.
 

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Grant
Williams
Melo
Oquinn
Lopez

should be the starting 5


its the truth :yeshrug:
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I am all for unconventional lineups but breh... You're basically asking for D. Will to get 2 fouls in the first 5 minutes trying to keep 2 guards from iso-ing him & blowing past him.

I think it should be Galloway, Vujacic, Melo, Porzingis, Lopez.

We need to preserve as much as possible, what is special with that second squad. If I was confident about an Afflalo roster - We'd be in great position considering our bench but... :aicmon:
 
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I agree, but Calderon and vujacic is a trash back court. Throw in robin Lopez and you have maybe 3 of the least athletic players in the league. Against the Hawks, or any other young uptempo team, that's a recipe of disaster. I don't know what Fisher is thinking with that group.

I'm with you though. Put Galloway out there for the sake of basketball.

I don't mind Calderon starting but when the opposing team's PG is athletic then Fish needs to make an adjustment. The moment he saw Teague get to the basket a few times is when he should've brought Gallow or Grant in to minimize the damage. Sasha V I don't mind as much because he can knock down open jumpers & is a better defender than Calderon. Sasha's starting is only temporary till Affalo gets healthy.
 

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Writers couldn't wait to pounce on us:



"Two things became amply clear by the end of the Atlanta Hawks' 112-101 victory over the New York Knicks on Thursday night: The Hawks, short on respect following a 60-win 2014-15, aren't going anywhere, and Carmelo Anthony's Knicks have a ways to go before they can hang with the NBA's real contenders.

The Knicks didn't raise any banners prior to tipoff in celebration of their 122-97 shellacking of the Milwaukee Bucks the night before—though they might as well have. The optimism emanating out of New York after that gutsy road win was undeniable.

Not only did the Knicks thoroughly outclass a playoff team on both ends of the floor, but they did so at the expense of Greg Monroe, the free agent who, per the New York Daily News' Stefan Bondy, spurned them for the greener pastures that awaited him in Milwaukee.

On Thursday, as they chased a lively Hawks squad around the floor, the Knicks learned, even if they had already assumed, that one game is really just one game, that the preseason is not the perfect precursor to regular-season trials, that the gap between them and what they aspire to be is vast.

The Hawks blitzed the Knicks at every possible turn on the offensive end. They set screen after screen, duping New York's defenders just enough to give Kyle Korver and Lamar Patterson some daylight, and Dennis Schroder (13 points) and Jeff Teague (23 points, eight assists) crystal-clear paths to the basket.

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Schroder and Teague absolutely torched the Knicks.
Korver in particular killed the Knicks defense—the same one that finished fourth in preseason efficiency and, to this point, has basked in elite paint protection and the ability to suffocate opposing shooters. It wasn't just that Korver shot 3-of-5 from beyond the arc. It was that he was on the floor at all.

Neither Sasha Vujacic nor Derrick Williams nor Lance Thomas had any luck defending him. He forced them away from the ball-handler in transition by dotting the corners. He sent them flying with well-timed pump fakes. He pulled them out of the lane in half-court sets by lurking behind the three-point line, allowing the Hawks to attack the rim at will.

And attack they did.

Almost 40 percent of the Hawks' total shot attempts (32) came inside the restricted area, of which they converted 75 percent (24). And the Knicks didn't do themselves any favors as the game progressed.

Kristaps Porzingis was slow to rotate over at times; Kyle O'Quinn was a half-step slow and kept backing off Atlanta's ball-handlers in the lane; and Jose Calderon was, as Grantland's Jason Concepcion playfully acknowledged, impossibly bad:


☕netw3rk @netw3rk


*An empty soda can faces up on Jose Calderon, turns the corner on him and scores*



To Calderon's credit, Langston Galloway and Jerian Grant didn't fare much better against Schroder and Teague. They played with more energy and moved more freely, but the Hawks floor generals are a lethal combination of cerebral and quick.

Stashing either Robin Lopez, O'Quinn or Porzingis at the rim in order to deter dribble penetration wasn't an option, either. The Hawks spaced the floor in ways most teams can't, with center Al Horford hovering beyond the arc and leaving New York's bigs to decide between two equally unsavory options. They could stick to Horford like glue, thereby inviting Teague and Schroder into the paint, or they could slink off him, in which case he could just do this:



Everything simply happened too fast for the Knicks. If it wasn't the Hawks' screens, or their ball movement, or their spacing, it was their ability to leak out on the break every time a missed shot allowed:

This was a statement game for Atlanta. The Knicks aren't being touted as a rival, but after coming out flat against the Detroit Pistons on opening night, the Hawks needed to regain some of the mojo that earned them the Eastern Conference's No. 1 seed last season.

Anyone worried they wouldn't be able to match that offensive dynamism without DeMarre Carroll, now a member of the Toronto Raptors, can now stop. All the usual one-game caveats apply, and it's still incredibly unlikely they win 60 games again, but this was Hawks basketball typified.

Open looks fell more than 46 percent of the time. They shot 41.7 percent from deep. The ball moved. They had 26 assists on 42 made baskets.

Atlanta is, as currently constructed, still a contender in the Eastern Conference.

New York is not.

That's the story of this game. And there's nothing especially wrong with that.

Despite losing by a double-digit margin and trailing by as many as 22 points, the Knicks didn't look hopelessly bad. To the contrary, they kept scrapping and clawing, as CBS Sports' Zach Harper pointed out:

Moral victories don't exist in the NBA, but there was plenty to like about how the Knicks fought. Their bench once again played with energy and totaled 40 points. Grant is a rookie with veteran's court vision (seven assists). O'Quinn is a rebounding machine (10 boards in 22 minutes).

Porzingis did that thing he does at least two or three times per game, where he reminds you why the Knicks drafted him fourth overall:

ven though they shot under 41 percent from the floor, the Knicks still flashed gall on the offensive end. Grant attacked, Lopez put his hook shot to good use and everyone, with the exception of O'Quinn in the first half, did a phenomenal job passing out of traffic.

Those looks they were missing were good ones. Nearly half of the Knicks' shot attempts went uncontested. They just weren't finding the net, and that happens sometimes. They won't shoot 33 percent (15-of-45) when left alone forever.

Besides, they needed this. They needed to understand that not every game will be like their win over Milwaukee, that there is still a long road ahead of them, as both head coach Derek Fisher and Anthony made clear afterward, per the Knicks' Twitter account and the Wall Street Journal's Chris Herring:

A learning experience. That's exactly what this loss was.

The Knicks learned that they desperately need Arron Afflalo to get healthy so they're no longer subject to Vujacic's porous perimeter defense against wings with any semblance of mobility. They learned, or at least started to learn, that Grant, not Calderon, is the answer at point guard. They learned that they still need Anthony, who is now shooting 32.6 percent from the field this season after his 10-of-27 showing against Atlanta, to make shots.

Most of all, they learned that there are limits to their optimism.

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The future is brighter in New York than it once was. It's just not here.
Maybe they emerge as a playoff contender. Anything's possible in the East—especially if their preseason defense proves to be more than a mirage. But for all the promise this season poses, both expected and unanticipated, the Knicks are still rebuilding.

And with rebuilding comes losses like this—the kind where mistakes are made, silver linings found and lessons learned, but where, in the end, the Knicks fall to an opponent they're not yet good enough to beat.


 

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:mjlol: At u throwing some of the blame at kris

2nd game of his nba career and he out there scoring, attracting double teams , getting rebounds and blocks. Nothing more u can ask of a kid coming out the euro leagues at 20 years of age.

:mjlol: at you accusing me of "blaming him" just because I had the nerve to tell the truth about how he has played. If Kris plays, let alone starts, he should get critiqued. He gets none of those looks if 'Melo doesn't attract doubles. He got 7 inches on 'Melo and is healthy, yet he doesn't consistently rebound better than 'Melo does on 1 knee and O'quinn always out-rebounds him. We wanna blame Sasha and Jose for being blown by, but they didn't give Teague layups. Kris, Lopez, O'Quinn (who are paid to rebound and protect the rim when guys get beat), and refs did. Gallo and Grant didn't defend Teague any better because the refs wouldn't let them. Europeans always get all the praise for being mediocre to trash. No one was telling Fish to bench Kris when Teague was getting layups, but bench Sasha and Jose. Jose and Sasha don't get passes for being old, but Kris gets one for being a rookie. No one blamed Fish for playing this rook who hasn't played well since the day he was drafted. Fish doesn't get a pass for having only 1 year of coaching, and one where he was told to throw the season to be able to draft Kris, but Kris gets a pass for being a rook. He played like trash on both ends, just like most of the rest of them. There's nothing wrong with saying that. I think he will be a great player some day, but it's unfair to critique everyone but him. That said, there was no one person to blame.
 
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He's a rookie and skinny as hell. Have some compassion.
:dwillhuh:

Also Melo started to get hot in the end.... Even if it was garbage time. I think he isn't in shape more than anything. The first Pre-Season game he looked like a Gawd out there. Then I think he's been progressively more tired. Especially considering the fact they are asking him to play defense on 3's (which he's done a pretty damn decent job doing) he's contributed in other ways.
:ehh:

Phil has been damn good as a GM. If Calderon is the problem I have faith he can move him

That's the problem with this Euro. You can't say anything about him without being accused of lacking compassion. That rook was allowed to play and start. Therefore, he can be critiqued. He played like trash on both ends, just like most of the rest of them. There's nothing wrong with saying that. I think he will be a great player some day, but it's unfair to critique everyone but him.

'Melo isn't lacking shape. The man can't consistently jump. He doesn't have a consistent lift in his leg. The last phase of his rehab (the power/explosiveness restoration part) didn't even end until the 5th preseason game (against Boston the 2nd time). Who knows when he'll be himself again.
 

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:mjlol: at you blaming everyone but him. He gets none of those looks if 'Melo doesn't attract doubles. If Kris plays, let alone starts, he should get critiqued. He got 7 inches on 'Melo and is healthy, yet he doesn't consistently rebound better than 'Melo does on 1 knee and O'quinn always out-rebounds him. We wanna blame Sasha and Jose for being blown by, but they didn't give Teague layups. Kris, Lopez, O'Quinn (who are paid to rebound and protect the rim), and refs did. Gallo and Grant didn't defend Teague any better because the refs wouldn't let them. Europeans always get all the praise for being mediocre to trash. No one was telling Fish to bench Kris when Teague was getting layups, but bench Sasha and Jose. Jose and Sasha don't get passes for being old, but Kris gets one for being a rookie. No one blamed Fish for playing this rook who hasn't played well since the day he was drafted. Fish doesn't get a pass for having only 1 year of coaching, and one where he was told to throw the season to be able to draft Kris, but Kris gets a pass for being a rook. There was no one person to blame. As long as Kris is allowed to play, let alone start, he ain't teflon to me.
bruh shut the fukk up :what:
lets be real...this team is not contending for a title...the fukk you so angry for :what:
the only way for true improvement to be found is to get kristaps adjusted to the league by playing against starters...and having him adjust and other teams adjust to him
the game is moving a bit fast for him...but benching him solves nothing.....he's the biggest talent on this roster not named melo...and moving forward has a huge chance at being the franchise player
and yes...it is sasha and calderons fault....rim protectors cant protect the rim EVERY TIME DOWN THE COURT
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dudes were getting blown by with remarkable ease :laff:
idk why im even addressing a post by a person that thinks melo > lebron
my bad knickas :snoop:
 

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:mjlol: at you blaming everyone but him. He gets none of those looks if 'Melo doesn't attract doubles. If Kris plays, let alone starts, he should get critiqued. He got 7 inches on 'Melo and is healthy, yet he doesn't consistently rebound better than 'Melo does on 1 knee and O'quinn always out-rebounds him. We wanna blame Sasha and Jose for being blown by, but they didn't give Teague layups. Kris, Lopez, O'Quinn (who are paid to rebound and protect the rim), and refs did. Gallo and Grant didn't defend Teague any better because the refs wouldn't let them. Europeans always get all the praise for being mediocre to trash. No one was telling Fish to bench Kris when Teague was getting layups, but bench Sasha and Jose. Jose and Sasha don't get passes for being old, but Kris gets one for being a rookie. No one blamed Fish for playing this rook who hasn't played well since the day he was drafted. Fish doesn't get a pass for having only 1 year of coaching, and one where he was told to throw the season to be able to draft Kris, but Kris gets a pass for being a rook. There was no one person to blame. As long as Kris is allowed to play, let alone start, he ain't teflon to me.
id rather have mudinay right now :mjcry:
 

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Kris has been trash since day he was drafted and he seems to be teflon. I saw a team that fought as best as they could.

That's the problem with this Euro. You can't say anything about him without being accused of lacking compassion. That rook was allowed to play and start. Therefore, he can be critiqued. He played like trash on both ends, just like most of the rest of them. There's nothing wrong with saying that. I think he will be a great player some day, but it's unfair to critique everyone but him.

'Melo isn't lacking shape. The man can't consistently jump. He doesn't have a consistent lift in his leg. The last phase of his rehab (the power/explosiveness restoration part) didn't even end until the 5th preseason game (against Boston the 2nd time). Who knows when he'll be himself again.


these type of comments (2 games into the season!) are the reason people are worried if Kristaps will be able to thrive in NY

this is such a NY media like attitude to take with the kid

let him breathe
 

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Carmelo took 27 shots last night, and the Knicks lost.

It's comforting to know that some things never change.


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Bro, she's a big Melo fan. Let her cook.

I was legit reading the shyt she wrote like
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Not a 'Melo fan. :umad: I'm a fan on the sport and I'm sorry to break it to a big Kris fan like yourself, but Kris played like trash on both ends. Not sure why this rook, who is allowed to play and start, is teflon. If I'm a 'Melo fan, who can admit that 'Melo played like trash on both ends, what does that make you, who can't find it in yourself to admit the same about Kris?! :mjlol:
 
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