Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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That's what I thought. :mjlol: Meanwhile, KP is a superstar with his 30% to 40% struggle buckets and 2-8 rebounds at 7'3''. :bryan:


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What part of him being a 19 year old rookie don't you understand?

An international 19 year old rookie at that.

Come on, bae. Don't do that to us.

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What part of him being a 19 year old rookie don't you understand?

An international 19 year old rookie at that.

Come on, bae. Don't do that to us.

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I get that he's a rook. Doesn't mean don't admit he's playing like it. What I don't get is why he can be a rook, but Jose and Sasha can't be old and 'Melo can't be hurt. Y'all claim to be so unbiased but the players you love are teflon (Kris, Rolo, and O'Quinn who gave up layup after layup, Gallow and Grant, who got eaten by Shroder). I cannot stand Lance and I want him kicked off the team pronto (get it done, Phil), but that doesn't make it all his fault. They all deserve blame and I'm sorry to break it to you, but that includes your beloved Kris. That said, I do believe his perfect jumper will make him a superstar one day.
 

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I get he's a rook. Doesn't mean don't admit he's playing like it. What I don't get is why he can be a rook, but Jose and Sasha can't be old and 'Melo can't be hurt. Y'all claim to be so unbiased but the players you love are teflon (Kris, Rolo, and O'Quinn who gave up layup after layup, Gallow and Grant, who got eaten by Shroder). I cannot stand Lance and I want him kicked off the team, but that doesn't make it all his fault. They all deserve blame and I'm sorry to break it to you, but that includes your beloved Kris. smh

Okay. You're right.

Damn, I wish my bytch was into basketball or at least understood it a little bit.

Your man must feel lucky and shyt.

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You do know that the lighting quick Grant gave up almost as many baskets as old-man Jose to Teague, right? José gave up two baskets on fastbreaks, two on pnr to Teague. Grant gave up one on a pnr, one on a fb, and one on fb off of his TO.

Schroder ate Gallo. Only Gallow gave up baskets to him. Jumper, dribble drive, layup from a Horford pick, jumper from a Horford pick, layup.

KP can't stop them any of the time either. When did he ever make a PG have a bad night? I'll wait. Why is it ok to blame Jose and Sasha for being blown by, but not Kris, Rolo, and O'Quinn for PG's getting layups? If blow-bys are automatic layups, why pay centers? Fact is, all of them deserve blame, but for some reason, no one wants to give Kris any of the blame, even though he's allowed to play. Everyone has their excuses as to why they're failing. 'Melo is hurt, Rolo is hurt, Jose and Sasha are old, KP is a rook, etc. Of course it's fair to put it on anyone who is allowed to play, and that includes Kris. smh

They're 1-1 tho :what:.

A guards job is to keep their man out of the paint. Sure, can I rely on a big to clean up my mess sometimes? Absolutely but it doesn't takeaway my responsibility in the first place. And there is no one on earth that will agree that Calderon is a better defender than Grant. Or Galloway.

End of the day they'll be fine as long as Calderon sees more of the bench than he does the floor.
 

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"What a difference one night makes. After pummeling a depleted Bucks squad on Wednesday night to open up the year, the Knicks looked equally as helpless at home (as Milwaukee) against the Hawks on Thursday. The eleven point loss looked much better than it really was on paper, as New York closed the gap by winning the fourth quarter. The team struggled to close out defensively, committed careless turnovers, as well as questionable fouls, throughout.

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The Knicks shot poorly, and failed to get into much of a rhythm all night. This could have largely been due to the farfetched lineups Coach Derek Fisher was putting together during the game. Here’s a look at a few more key observations from the loss.

  • This team certainly isn’t bad. If they play poorly, it won’t be because a lack of talent. The loss against Atlanta was largely Coach Fisher’s fault. His combinations of players are strange, and what’s more, as different lineups struggle together, he leaves them in together way too long. This allows an opponent to pull away and for the Knicks’ deficit to become too great to overcome. Fisher needs to react and switch things up the moment he (and everyone else watching) senses things going poorly. Make changes early and often as necessary. For what it’s worth, it easy to see that one of the team’s best five-somes (Jeriant Grant, Langston Galloway, Carmelo Anthony, Kristaps Porzingis, and Robin Lopez) didn’t gett nearly enough time together.
  • For the second night in a row, Carmelo Anthony struggled to get going. The team is failing to feed him the ball. The triangle is obviously all about movement and distribution, but New York needs to isolate, at least a little bit, to help their star cook. When Anthony was given opportunities to convert corner jumpers, he looked great. Otherwise, the star was off-balance.

  • Kyle O’Quinn was a +9 and led the team in rebounds for the second night in a row. And despite shooting 5 of 9 for 10 points, the big man appeared to be a liability down low. He was easily flustered by defensive pressure under the basket and succumbed to double-teams by committing three turnovers. The Hawks made it impossible for him to pass the ball back out, which disrupted New York’s rhythm.
  • Also for the second night in a row, Jerian Grant led the team in assists (7). This guy is a player. Boasting a stat-line of 5 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists, he was very versatile and looked as though he knew how to run an offense. He pushed the tempo and helped guys spread the floor. The same couldn’t be said about Jose Calderon. The rookie was a +6, whereas the vet was a team-worst -18.
  • The fans are clearly still behind Kristaps Porzingis. He’s exciting to watch, having egnited the crowd with a spin-move and subsequent dunk. The Garden roared, though the Knicks were still down double-digits afterwards. The rookie seemingly has the ability to shift momentum and be somewhat of an X-Factor. It’s worth noting that Lopez (who scored an impressive 18 points on the night) could be seen constantly talking to the rookie, getting in his face, giving instructions, patting him down with encouragement, etc. Not a bad mentor to have.


Observations from the Knicks' loss to the Hawks
 

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They're 1-1 tho :what:.

A guards job is to keep their man out of the paint. Sure, can I rely on a big to clean up my mess sometimes? Absolutely but it doesn't takeaway my responsibility in the first place. And there is no one on earth that will agree that Calderon is a better defender than Grant. Or Galloway.

End of the day they'll be fine as long as Calderon sees more of the bench than he does the floor.

What does their record have to do with anything?

A big is to clean up messes all the time, just like a guard is to keep their man in front at all times. Guards and bigs are paid to do their jobs at all times. That's like saying a big is to rebound only sometimes.

And of course Jose isn't a better defender than Grant and Gallow. Just like those guys aren't better shooters than Jose. The point was, all 3 defended horribly last night and evenly so, but only 1 of the 3 got called out for it.

Jose doesn't need to be benched. They need his shooting, threat to shoot, leadership, passing, and knowledge of the Triangle on the floor.
 

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And let me reiterate how fast Teague and Schoreder are. If you're relying on help to stop them from scoring you're in trouble.

Too bad no one will apply this to Gallo and Grant who got eaten by those guards. They just apply it to Jose and Sasha. Gallow was the only guard who gave up buckets to Shroder.
 

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I’m not saying that Jose Calderon can’t play basketball anymore… I’m just saying maybe he shouldn’t.

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And if you listened closely after the New York Knicks dropped their home opener to the Atlanta Hawks by a final score of 112-101 on Wednesday night, you could probably hear head coach Derek Fisher suggest the same.

“The bigger problem was the 52 points in the paint,” he told the assembled media, suggesting that the 10-for-24 shooting from the three-point line isn’t what did his team in.

“Jeff Teague, Dennis Schroder laying the ball up at the rim, that hurts us much more than them hitting threes.”

And in all fairness, even after Calderon was removed, Teague and Schroder—who combined to shoot 13-for-23 from the field for 36 points—continued to do whatever they wanted.

But while it may be a bit harsh to suggest that Calderon shouldn’t play anymore, it’s probably time to face the fact and admit that in a league dominated by lightning quick point guards, he is no longer starting caliber.

It’s also probably time to wonder whether the Knicks would be better served by starting Langston Galloway or Jerian Grant at the point guard position.


On Wednesday night, in 18 minutes of action, Calderon managed to shoot a blistering 0-for-5 from the field. More impressively, he accomplished the rare feat of of costing his team a full point for every minute he played, as his final plus-minus was—you guessed it—a minus-18.

Sure, he had a few decent showings in the preseason, but those games are played at half speed, and what the Knicks encountered on Thursday night, those Hawks, was the real deal. It’s safe to assume that he is no longer up to the challenge of chasing point guards 10 years his junior around screens and racing them up the floor. And although he was never regarded as a defensive stalwart, historically, Calderon at least made up for his defensive deficiencies by being a superb offensive player.

That appears to no longer be the case, though.

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Many moons ago, as a member of the Toronto Raptors, the idea of Calderon being a net-negative was difficult to imagine. He has a reputation as being a poor defender, but on the offensive end of the floor, he was a maestro. The 10 points per game he averaged over the course of his career as well as his 41 percent career three-point shooting mark tell us that, but some could have (and did) make the argument that Calderon was one of the best distributors of this generation.

Playing for the Raptors and for his Spanish national team in FIBA competition, Calderon routinely displayed the same superpower as Jason Kidd and Steve Nash—on the basketball court, he was able to see the future and put the ball where it needed to be before opposing defenders knew what was coming.

A fairly simple and effective barometer for measuring a point guard’s effectiveness is his assist-to-turnover ratio. In order to be considered a “good” point guard, your ratio should probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.5 assists for each turnover. Anything above three is excellent, and accomplishing anything above that is both superb and basically impossible to sustain.

For context, consider the following: Magic Johnson’s career assist-to-turnover ratio is 2.89. Rajon Rondo’s is 2.94 and Steve Nash’s is slightly better at 2.97. Jason Kidd clocks in at 3.02 while John Stockton—regarded by many as the greatest point guard to ever play—has an amazing 3.72.

The best ratio in NBA history belongs to Tyrone “Mugsy” Bogues, who boasts a career assist-to-turnover ratio of 4.69. So, when I tell you that Calderon’s assist-to-turnover ratio entering the 2014-15 season was 4.08, realize that this was not just good, it was historically good.

Today, Calderon clocks in with a 3.83 assist-to-turnover ratio, and while that’s still excellent, it can be used as evidence to suggest that he is not the same player he once was. That’s much easier to buy when you consider his recently passed 34th birthday.

When Phil Jackson agreed to send Tyson Chandler to the Dallas Mavericks, he did so with the hope that Calderon, even as he approached his 33rd birthday and had about $22 million due to him over the next three years, would continue to be the player that helped Sam Mitchell and Chris Bosh turn the Raptors into division champions.

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Thus far, though, that has not been the case, and unfortunately, in the world of NBA point guards, when it goes, it goes.

The gross majority of NBA players do not improve or get any healthier as they get older, so if you’re waiting for a 34-year-old point guard to revert to his former self, well, you may be waiting in vain.

“It has been two games,” Calderon said dismissively of his poor performance on Thursday night.

“Let’s not make a big deal about it,” he said.

But if you won’t, then I will. I may have grown up in Hempstead, Long Island, but I claim New York City and believe I have earned that right after living in Manhattan and Queens for the past 12 years. If there’s one thing I know about this town, it is that it doesn’t take long for a New Yorker to make up their mind about anything.

So in typical New York fashion, despite the season being just two games old, let’s just go ahead and state the obvious and agree that Calderon would probably serve the Knicks best by holding Derek Fisher’s clipboard and handing Jerian Grant towels.

It may be harsh, but you know what? It’s also probably true. The only one hoping to see Calderon remain in the starting lineup for the Knicks next contest would be John Wall, whom the Knicks will see on Saturday night.


Hamilton: At 34 years old, Jose Calderon can no longer keep up
 
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That vujacic/calderon backcourt is gonna be a problem going foward, and to be real vujacic might not even be good enough to be in the rotation at all. Grant and Galloway need to start until Afflalo comes back. It may just be the second game, but most of us have been saying the same shyt about Calderon for a minute, he'll be great off the bench though.
 

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Who do you work for? Nice analysis.

KOQ was probably emotional because the organization honored his dad before the game.

Calderon is probably being showcased. Hopefully he will traded to the first team that loses a PG due to injury.

Lol. Lance Thomas is awkward. But I don't dislike him as much anymore.

Melo was supposed to be in peak physical condition right? Maybe he just isn't in game shape. His shot just isn't falling. I liked that he was being vocal with the team. He just needs to get his shooters rhythm and draw more fouls.

Anyone familiar with Afflalo's return timetable? What can we expect from him?

I don't work for anybody, but I've been doing post game analysis bits at Realgm's Knicks forum for years now and figured those pieces would be worth sharing here.

The story about KOQ's dad is really unfortunate, but makes me root for dude even harder. I really liked his play in spite of his legs not really being with him last night.

Lance is too easy to cheat off of, but if he'll go 2/3 from three point land every time they do it, I won't be able to hate on him for sure.

I think Melo's definitely looking for a rhythm and I think Calderon doesn't help him in that regard. Melo's taking a lot of rushed jumpers right now because his space is limited. He's been at his best going to the basket but I understand the cautious approach. He's already making up for the shooting everywhere else which is nice.

AA I think was 2 weeks out from season opener, but could be mistaken. I prefer they take the cautious approach with him and just let him be 100% without sweating re-injury. It'll only mean more time and development for our young guys assuming Fish stops overloading Sasha's minutes.
 
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