Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Malta]

The average age of the Knicks as currently constructed is 26. If 30 yo Arron Aflallo opts out, we get rid of 34 year old Jose Calderon, 33 year old Lou Amundson, and 26 year old Seraphin...that number only gets lower. Assuming Tony Wroten plays next season...a third of this Knicks squad will be 25 or younger AND in the rotation. I'm not anti-young players...I'm anti getting rid of serviceable veterans who CONTRIBUTE in the name of picking up youth for the sake of getting youth. All the successful teams have a good mix of youth and veterans.

That's a whole lot of "ifs" in there

As they stand right now, they aren't a young team, they are one of the older teams in the East. Look at who's in front of the Knicks right now, ask yourself how do they get better than those teams like the - Pistons, Wiz, Bucks, Pacers, Hornets, Raptors and Celtics who all have that very same mix of young and older vets, while still being younger with younger core players. How many more pieces do the Knicks need not to contend, but to make the playoffs over an 8th seed that needed 44 wins to get it.

What exactly is the goal of the Knicks? They are years away from contending and they may not even make the playoffs next year, so what are you building? Do you really think this team with Grant and Galloway starting at the 1 & 2 will make the playoffs? If Afflalo opts out and you get Conley do you think they make it with Galloway/Wroten/Grant playing at the 2? This team is a mess and it's like yall just can't see there's a lack of high level young prospects to truly build around, you have 1.

 

[Wargames]

I just think the knicks need to go young because they got KP. He is in year one right now, but all signs point to him being a beast in 3-5 years. The smart move would be to try and put talent around him to develop next to him to build chemistry (and be on cheap contracts) before he gets nice and the impetus changes from "lets just try and make the playoffs" to "lets try and be competitive".

Phil can do it either by drafting high (OKC, GSW) or stealing RFA's (HOU, DET). Its usually a lot smarter and cheaper to do a combination of both which is what most teams do. Don't let the fukkery of Hinkie blind you to the truth, He drafted 3 centers, signed scrubs, and traded away a ROY because he was flawed...... Hell even the Timberwolves look like they can be deadly in a few years by getting talented youth. The knicks need to do the same.

Nobody should want to pay Conley 27 Million starting. Its nonsense, I think from what Phil has said and the rumors we hear Phil see's it the same way and is going to get fair contracts on roleplayers or try to steal a RFA. If Phil starts giving into Melo's demands prepare to be here in 5 years writing about "Damn KP is nice but he has no help"

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Make this shyt official Phil, I don't need no Press Conference etc.

I don't want to get kicked in the Nuts like we did with Kerr. Dolan didn't want to pay Kerr 5Mill a year is the reason why he didn't sign immediately and then Mark Jackson got fired

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Got kicked in the nuts again

 

[puggle]

The team's ending up with Rambis aren't they?

 

[Trip]

Got kicked in the nuts again

Dolan has efficitively scorched the earth and poured salt over MSG. Too many lieutenants in there to get a real coach who has any power.

 

[OsO]

Knicks should definitely keep and develop Grant and Galloway. At the minimum you have two young guards to hold down the bench squad, at best one of them develops into a starter. It's not their faults D. Fish and Rambis had them playing behind Jose Calderon and Sasha Vujavic all year. I also hope D-Will opts in, I like him off the bench too. Lance comes back and the frontcourt is set.

Knicks need a starting backcourt badly though.

And obviously a strong head coach, which is probably the most important piece.

 

[Wargames]

Got kicked in the nuts again

brehs it was a stretch.....

They need to tank so once they get talent you don't got to settle. Coaches will want to come

The Lakers are shyt but at least they know what time it is and are keeping Byron. Knicks need to reboot/tank and Rambis might as well add those L's to his resume.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

I'm not sold on Luke Walton. I rather the Knicks go after a proven coach. No more of these 1st time experiments.

 

[Wargames]

Dolan has efficitively scorched the earth and poured salt over MSG. Too many lieutenants in there to get a real coach who has any power.

I don't blame Dolan for this. Dolan would of sent a 1st and 2 players for Patrick Beverly to try and make the playoffs. This current slow circle of the drain is on Phil. Honestly if the man didn't draft KP and not keep his picks I would be on that



This love of the triangle is becoming an albatross on the team.

 

[Carolina Slim]

Got kicked in the nuts again

I need more receipts on this. Isola had been more wrong than right regarding knicks doings lately

 

[Trip]

I don't blame Dolan for this. Dolan would of sent a 1st and 2 players for Patrick Beverly to try and make the playoffs. This current slow circle of the drain is on Phil. Honestly if the man didn't draft KP and not keep his picks I would be on that



This love of the triangle is becoming an albatross on the team.

Unfortunately the Knicks are forced to play the waiting game till they have another high pick and Melo's contracts is off the books. It would be nice to get a real coach to bridge that process but the smart people in the league know Dolans a jackass. Marv basically told Kerr you're crazy to work for him.

Dolan owns a lot the local media though so the Knicks never really get grilled like the other local teams do.

 

[Wargames]

Unfortunately the Knicks are forced to play the waiting game till they have another high pick and Melo's contracts is off the books. It would be nice to get a real coach to bridge that process but the smart people in the league know Dolans a jackass. Marv basically told Kerr you're crazy to work for him.

Dolan owns a lot the local media though so the Knicks never really get grilled like the other local teams do.

Honestly its a waste of time for Melo (and to a lesser degree the knicks) but they could just tank with Melo here. They would of had 7 this year and Melo played 60+ games



They won't, but they could, and if it happened I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I'm not sold on Luke Walton. I rather the Knicks go after a proven coach. No more of these 1st time experiments.

Actually a first time coach would do y'all some good if the rebuild is real. Brooklyn hired a coach in Atkinson who specializes in player development. The Knicks should do the same. Go after Bryan Gates from the Pelicans. Getting competent players on the cheap can make your team lethal when you pursue major pieces

 

[Trip]

Honestly its a waste of time for Melo (and to a lesser degree the knicks) but they could just tank with Melo here. They would of had 7 this year and Melo played 60+ games



They won't, but they could, and if it happened I wouldn't be surprised.

Agreed. Melo blows a lot of hot air when he speaks, but the reality is we all know he's staying here regardless of how bad it gets. The last thing the Knicks need to do is hand out a bad contract or make a bad trade involving more picks.