Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Dolan will never allow a Celtics like rebuild. Boston also got lucky with the Nets being stupid. Problem with the Dolan Knicks is they're reactionary and have no issues giving away picks for names that aren't worth their contracts. Boston identified the coach they wanted, acquired assets and are now in good position to add a Durant.

I think Phil roster wise has patience. If you look he's tweaking Melo again and looks like he wants him to waive his ntc I just don't see Melo doing it.

This offseason will be so interesting to see where Phil goes with this roster

Does he show patience and try to do whatever it takes to trade Melo or does he do the typical Knicks franchise reactionary move and overpay a second tier FA like a Conley and use up all the cap space just to make a run at a 7 or 8 seed
 

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I said it then...and I'll say it today...

It was a sick, cruel joke that the basketball gods played on us when it was Sterling and not Dolan who was caught saying controversial shyt which led to Sterling selling the franchise.

It couldn't be Dolan, seriously?
Thats a great point, we are basically clippers east at this point (before they arrived in the past 10 years).

No worthwhile free agents really want to come here anymore. The knicks MUST build through the draft and a great young coach that will stick around for a few years.

The knicks just refuse to build through the draft and it doesn't make sense in the nba outside of a few franchises. The base ALWAYS starts at the draft and add pieces slowly.
 

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I think Phil roster wise has patience. If you look he's tweaking Melo again and looks like he wants him to waive his ntc I just don't see Melo doing it.

This offseason will be so interesting to see where Phil goes with this roster

Does he show patience and try to do whatever it takes to trade Melo or does he do the typical Knicks franchise reactionary move and overpay a second tier FA like a Conley and use up all the cap space just to make a run at a 7 or 8 seed

Melo isn't going to go anywhere.

Phils taking the brunt of the blame(some deserved) but there's really nothing that he can do right now other than hire a real coach- which he needs to do. The Afflao contract wasn't good and he'll probably opt in bc no ones paying him to start.

There isn't a sales pitch in the world that could bring KD to New York.
 

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Not a whole lot; he talked about how long it takes to understand the triangle, how you have to give it time to understand it and all that :martin:

NY is not the place for that wait & see bullshi*t. On the real, Phil really needs to adapt to the current NBA. His pride his starting to hurt us. I really hope he isn't set on just interviewing triangle guys
 
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I think Phil roster wise has patience. If you look he's tweaking Melo again and looks like he wants him to waive his ntc I just don't see Melo doing it.

This offseason will be so interesting to see where Phil goes with this roster

Does he show patience and try to do whatever it takes to trade Melo or does he do the typical Knicks franchise reactionary move and overpay a second tier FA like a Conley and use up all the cap space just to make a run at a 7 or 8 seed
I don't think this has been brought up, but even if Melo gets traded Phil might not necessarily look for picks, and may try to take a player back so he can still make a vain attempt at winning. Phil is only here for 5 years, and I don't know if he ever made it clear if he wanted to win eventually during his tenure, or if he's content with just setting the Knicks on the right path. Hard to tell Phil's intentions right now; does he really feel like sticking with the triangle and establishing a "culture" is that important for a team? or is proving his coaching tree and the triangle's( well, the triangle as he runs it) relevancy his main/only priority?

I guess really the only thing Knicks fans can do is sit back and see how things play out, Phil and this FO are hard to read.

Sidenote: I said it earlier in the season, but I want the Knicks to throw money at Evan Fournier; young enough to be a part of a rebuild, good enough to be a substantial upgrade at SG if the team moves forward with trying to win now.
 
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NY is not the place for that wait & see bullshi*t. On the real, Phil really needs to adapt to the current NBA. His pride his starting to hurt us. I really hope he isn't set on just interviewing triangle guys

If he is, it could get ugly real quick, especially if he doesn't try to talk to cats like Thibodaux or Brooks or Blatt. There's no way that could be viewed as the good solution or putting us as an attractive destination for free agents.
 

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Batum and Conley's maxes are gonna average over 29 million per year over the course of em...Tellin' you guys, Melo's contract is looking like a bargain with this new tv deal. If he decides to waive his NTC, we should eat pretty well.

92 million cap (shout out Dantares at Realgm for putting this up)
2016-17: 27.6 million
2017-18: 28.84 million
2018-19: 30.14 million
2019-20: 31.5 million

Total contract value: 118.08 million/ 4 years

Average salary per year: 29.52 million

Melo's makin' less than 25 mil next season.
 

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Batum and Conley's maxes are gonna average over 29 million per year over the course of em...Tellin' you guys, Melo's contract is looking like a bargain with this new tv deal. If he decides to waive his NTC, we should eat pretty well.

92 million cap (shout out Dantares at Realgm for putting this up)
2016-17: 27.6 million
2017-18: 28.84 million
2018-19: 30.14 million
2019-20: 31.5 million

Total contract value: 118.08 million/ 4 years

Average salary per year: 29.52 million

Melo's makin' less than 25 mil next season.
I just want Melo gone for picks. I don't think we can get a player worthwhile for him at this point unless it is thrown in to sweeten a deal that includes picks.
 

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Batum and Conley's maxes are gonna average over 29 million per year over the course of em...Tellin' you guys, Melo's contract is looking like a bargain with this new tv deal. If he decides to waive his NTC, we should eat pretty well.

92 million cap (shout out Dantares at Realgm for putting this up)
2016-17: 27.6 million
2017-18: 28.84 million
2018-19: 30.14 million
2019-20: 31.5 million

Total contract value: 118.08 million/ 4 years

Average salary per year: 29.52 million

Melo's makin' less than 25 mil next season.

We're not getting Batum or Conley. I could see Phil try and steal a RFA's. Especially if D-Will and AA opt out. Next year the knicks could have 30+ cap space if they don't sign any of their UFA's and even if they do they should all be cheap. That's enough to overpay some youth based on the belief they could get better.

I just want Melo gone for picks. I don't think we can get a player worthwhile for him at this point unless it is thrown in to sweeten a deal that includes picks.

I been saying this. Hopefully with the cap going up this becomes more realistic.
 

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We're not getting Batum or Conley. I could see Phil try and steal a RFA's. Especially if D-Will and AA opt out. Next year the knicks could have 30+ cap space if they don't sign any of their UFA's and even if they do they should all be cheap. That's enough to overpay some youth based on the belief they could get better.



I been saying this. Hopefully with the cap going up this becomes more realistic.
There is still a market for a player like Carmelo as long as the team has a nice core to pair him up with. He started playing well in the second half of the season, but I doubt he will be able to play like that an entire year anymore. The entire second half of this season was garbage time for the knicks and Melo did whatever he wanted on offense. It is clear that the team and himself are on two different paths. I just hope that the knicks go with the wait and see approach in hopes to deal him at the trade deadline next year. Try to trade him around the draft...

Boston appears to make the most sense, but I question if Phil or Dolan would allow having the Celtics become much stronger in exchange for picks. With Melo on the Celtics they are the #2 seed easily next year in place of the raptors. Hell, depending on what happens with Cleveland they might even make the finals.
 

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Oh and for the record, I don't think I will take Kyrie Irving for Melo. I would rather get Kevin Love if the Knicks are willing to trade with the Cavs again.
 

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fukk pjax

fukk dolan

fukk rambis

fukk melo


fukk the knicks as a team, an organization, and as a crew





just buy a pick from the celtics, and trade a future 2nd for a 2nd in this year's draft
 
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