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man thats fuked up, these guys are happy with these fruity loop south sounding beat makers in shyt
Producers: Would You Sell Your Publishing...
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man thats fuked up, these guys are happy with these fruity loop south sounding beat makers in shyt
Pretty much... sonically music was much more crisp (at least in HH/R&B) a decade (& more) ago but with technology & with lower level producers being so cheap a lot of new music is lacking in sonics but is really just louder...
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The East
Dope thread, props to @nikkaz In Paris for dropping alot of industry insights. I chose "NO" for the simple fact that they'll always find a way to screw you over if not now, if you don't smarten up, they'll eventually will. Also It depends on how valuable $1,750 (at this moment in time) and how seriously you care about your work. If you need that loot badly and can crank out 7-10 beats a day i can understand why you would choose to sell your publishing. Most of us have steady jobs and do this is a hobby, basically i just love doing this on the side, if creates a revenue stream, it's not something i will turn down but i'll approach it in a smart way. I got an OK catalog of 100+ beats from the last 4-5 years. like @producingfire said, i got people that i work with who also wants beat. Gotta watch out for them. Also, i feel like the rapper is as important as the producer for exposure purposes. Example: a producer friend of mine was shopping his beats a couple years ago. He Met Mr. "I know so and so" gave him a beat CD tagged every song on there, dude started calling asking him "beat 4, 7, 9" are dope and rapper (will remain anonymous) liked em, "what samples did you use?". My man's willingly gave up the samples 
. Not smart move on his side IMO, but he was so hyped up. never heard from Mr. "so and and so" again , 8 months later album is out. 2 of his tracks are on there, only thing is production credits went to somebody else. What they did was they paid someone else to play the sample live on keys than used the same chops and flips and he did. Didn't need no sample clearance whatsoever. One of the the songs cracked bb top 100. @nikkaz In Paris question, is that true today? If i play a sample on a different octave on my guitar and my keys, than re-sample it, do i still have to clear? I played em?
. Not smart move on his side IMO, but he was so hyped up. never heard from Mr. "so and and so" again , 8 months later album is out. 2 of his tracks are on there, only thing is production credits went to somebody else. What they did was they paid someone else to play the sample live on keys than used the same chops and flips and he did. Didn't need no sample clearance whatsoever. One of the the songs cracked bb top 100. @nikkaz In Paris question, is that true today? If i play a sample on a different octave on my guitar and my keys, than re-sample it, do i still have to clear? I played em?
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Dope thread, props to @nikkaz In Paris for dropping alot of industry insights. I chose "NO" for the simple fact that they'll always find a way to screw you over if not now, if you don't smarten up, they'll eventually will. Also It depends on how valuable $1,750 (at this moment in time) and how seriously you care about your work. If you need that loot badly and can crank out 7-10 beats a day i can understand why you would choose to sell your publishing. Most of us have steady jobs and do this is a hobby, basically i just love doing this on the side, if creates a revenue stream, it's not something i will turn down but i'll approach it in a smart way. I got an OK catalog of 100+ beats from the last 4-5 years. like @producingfire said, i got people that i work with who also wants beat. Gotta watch out for them. Also, i feel like the rapper is as important as the producer for exposure purposes. Example: a producer friend of mine was shopping his beats a couple years ago. He Met Mr. "I know so and so" gave him a beat CD tagged every song on there, dude started calling asking him "beat 4, 7, 9" are dope and rapper (will remain anonymous) liked em, "what samples did you use?". My man's willingly gave up the samples
No.
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I feel bad for nikkas samplin n got fucced out they money.
What about hits like In Da Club, and Crank That? They had no samples at all and are big as hell.
Did those songs alone make the producer good money?
What about hits like In Da Club, and Crank That? They had no samples at all and are big as hell.
Did those songs alone make the producer good money?
Nope...
They're doing YOU a favor by even playing your music to their audience of a couple hundred thousand to possibly millions... you don't GET shyt...
I know a filipino cat RIGHT NOW that was promoting all over his Twitter because he had 3 of his beats picked up & played on 2 different episodes of "Love & Hip Hop" last Season & was bragging & everything about how he's out here winning...
Just happened to have a mutual friend who he asked to reference a guitar on one of his beats & this cat was still living at the crib with his moms with no car & his girlfriend paying for his clothes but on Twitter he has cats believing he's getting $$$ in this game... those smoke & mirrors are serious...
My close personal friend had a Hot 100 Top 10 Billboard Single on one of the biggest artists in the game right now but because it contained 2 measly seconds of a sample from the 90's he only got $10,000 publishing from a song that ended up generating UMPG $2.7 MILLION fukkING DOLLARS...
... & the sample didn't even make or break the song... dude could've cashed out at $700,000... a sample cost him $690,000...
shyt is
When you say 2-second sample, do you mean he only used two seconds of the sample throughout the beat or the sample was only used for 2 seconds in the song?
If so, it was only used for 2 seconds then why didnt he just remove it? replay it?....Ehh I suppose he probably didnt know the song would be such a hit ahead of time.
@nikkaz In Paris is very active on this forum. He's all up in threads like these dropping science. I suppose if you mean posting in The Tunnel, then yea but he always posts in similar threads to this one in the Booth.
Every post from his I learn something new, props to him
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Used 2 seconds of the sample throughout the beat during the Hooks...
He believed it was worth it... I didn't...
A Top 40 Hit on the Billboard Hot100 will usually generate a couple hundred thousand dollars for all parties involved on the song...
A Top 10 Hit on the Billboard Hot100 will generate over a million dollars...
And all parties involved in a #1 Record on the Billboard Hot100 are usually is set for life...
BlackDroog
All Star
To be honest...I would sell my beats and publishing for almost anything....I work a 9 to 5 and make beats because I love music. 100 Beats for $1,750 sounds like rape tho.
Cole Cash
They took a hammer and sickle to my back
Because of the nature of how producers are so replacable these days and the sound that people have or had can be easily fukking duplicated making any money off production or rapping is so difficult because unless you are at the top its really hard to know what is or isnt in a contract. Ill put it to you like this, Rich Boys "throw some d's on it" that beat is NOT produced by fukking polow and my nikka who did produce it is nowhere to be seen on the credits or any of that shyt, he signed with an agency back in 2006, what they basically did was promise placement (this was in atlanta) they basically told some of his hottest shyt, sold it for pennies and let other motherfukkers basically claim that shyt.
Have i been fukked? Personally yes, there is some production on SEVERAL bay area albums circa 2006-2009 that have either a skeletal structure that i started and left at a studio, or flatout took my entire beat, and i know its mine because these nikkas out here in the bay aint exactly loop digging so having a antonio carlos jobim or eumir deodato record isnt in these nikkas repertoire to say "oh its just a coneincidence.
My advice? Dont ever give away too much of your hand, and never 100 percent trust ANYONE because they will get over on you, because im sure at one point they got over on someone else. What nikkaz in paris is talking about with nikkas being broke as fukk is 100 percent true. Ive seen someone in particular whom i respect very much in the bay basically be reduced to doing little wack ass shows in bars and other small areas after going gold etc.
This shyt is a crapshoot, for me its been 17 years since i started djing and 8 years since i started producing, its tiring and frustrating and only now after all this time am i fukking actually going somewhere. Ive already said though if i dont clock in something this year im gonna say fukk this and just get my teaching credential and move on, this shyt is very very exhausting and not fun. Making a dope beat is fun, but once you are in, you realize it doesntmatter how dope your shyt is, only if it can be marketed properly etc. shyts wack.
Have i been fukked? Personally yes, there is some production on SEVERAL bay area albums circa 2006-2009 that have either a skeletal structure that i started and left at a studio, or flatout took my entire beat, and i know its mine because these nikkas out here in the bay aint exactly loop digging so having a antonio carlos jobim or eumir deodato record isnt in these nikkas repertoire to say "oh its just a coneincidence.
My advice? Dont ever give away too much of your hand, and never 100 percent trust ANYONE because they will get over on you, because im sure at one point they got over on someone else. What nikkaz in paris is talking about with nikkas being broke as fukk is 100 percent true. Ive seen someone in particular whom i respect very much in the bay basically be reduced to doing little wack ass shows in bars and other small areas after going gold etc.
This shyt is a crapshoot, for me its been 17 years since i started djing and 8 years since i started producing, its tiring and frustrating and only now after all this time am i fukking actually going somewhere. Ive already said though if i dont clock in something this year im gonna say fukk this and just get my teaching credential and move on, this shyt is very very exhausting and not fun. Making a dope beat is fun, but once you are in, you realize it doesntmatter how dope your shyt is, only if it can be marketed properly etc. shyts wack.
I kinda knew Polow didnt do that beat cause he hasn't made anything as dope since.
Cole Cash
They took a hammer and sickle to my back
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This is a dope ass thread and has been a pleasure to read. Lots of knowledge and perspective being dropped in here.
Personally, I wouldn't let 100 beats go for no damn $1750. Even if they wack to average sounding that shyt is still a rape/buck. nikka can't even offer you a full 2 stacks
Personally, I wouldn't let 100 beats go for no damn $1750. Even if they wack to average sounding that shyt is still a rape/buck. nikka can't even offer you a full 2 stacks