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Would You Sell Your Publishing?

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I live in minneapolis but travel to chicago since I have family there.

I would say I'm pretty good at making epic, sample driven hip hop songs with some trap elements (as far as high hats and snares etc.) I've also started to try to make more wiz khalifa laid back joans as well as some edm/synth pop. I would say the closest comparision as far as style wise for my hip hop shyt is heatmakers, clams, or harry fraud.

If I were u PERSONALLY... I would do Rap References over your beats... because you have to start looking at beats as empty ideas. Start writing your own hooks & verses in the style of popular artists or have a go to writer because its a thousand beats being swarmed through offices every month but its hardly FULL DEMO SONGS being heard in offices... but would also shop the beats separate as well in case the artist doesn't like your idea but likes the beat...

Then I would find out the "Who's Who" of the industry & start getting in contact & pitching your ideas to lower level or newly signed artists who are willing to work with up & comers because the B & A List producers & writers are out of their budget range...

It's amazing what a professional phonecall can do for cats if you just know who to talk to & how to approach them...
 

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Those books don't deal with real world situations because people out here are so thirsty for a little cash or a little fame or a little chance at a credential that they're willing to do WHATEVER to get their music heard & the sharks in the industry know that...

An artist or producer is Unsigned & can't catch a break & you think if someone approaches them & says they can get their song played on an episode of Real World but there might not be any money involved that they're NOT gonna take that? :heh:

Lady Gaga & Brittany Spears had *MILLIONS* of songs streamed through Spotify & barely saw a $2,000 check so what chance does an unknown artist have at seeing any money from even a couple hundred thousand streams? :heh:

I remember I had to DP a show for Jim Jones back in the "Ballin" days & this dude was a star in the hood. Cats were coming up to him trying to do anything to get on Dipset. One cat was like "Maaaaaaan you can have all my publishing I just wanna rap!" :heh:

When you have people like this around you at all times why would anybody with any business sense pay for something they don't have to? These labels get rich off cats like that all the time. It's always someone desperate to do a free video or a free beat or free studio time or free makeup just to get an OPPORTUNITY... :heh:

There's money in the industry but it takes YEARS to maneuver around & figure out how to actually get it. I have more money then 75% of the people involved with Rihanna's last album & I don't have any Billboard Hits so what does that tell you? :heh:
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Roc Nation throws "Writing Camps" for some of their artists. I am currently in the Rihanna & Rita Ora writing camps for their next albums. I was fortunate to have made a killing off of Music Videos during the 35mm Adapter Boom that happened around 2006-2009 before the T2i made it possible for any idiot with a camera to achieve 24fps & Depth Of Field at a ridiculously low price...

Having had made a killing I was able to move around & live in different cities & make money so I never was desperate for money. The average cat chasing a Record Deal is unemployed, living with their parents or off of their girlfriend so when someone dangles $25,000 in front of them they jump at it but they don't realize those contracts are for 3-5 years... you know how much you'd have to stretch $25,000 to last 3-5 years? And keep in mind these people have to work out of cities like LA & NY where living is not cheap...

Not only that but most of these cats usually go get a whip & their own place so in theory they've spent a good $5,000-$7,000 just getting off the ground & more then likely dudes love to have expensive clothing & fake it like they're eating when they really just crippled themselves to having $15,000 over the next 3-5 years unless they hit a #1 & even then that doesn't always get people out of their carefully worded contracts... :mjpls:

Most of these dudes out here in Hollywood are living a fake flossing life where you see them on Youtube with some nice clothes, nice chain that was probably a gift & a nice car but at the end of the day they go back to their studio apartments in Van Nuys... :mjpls:

Cats are letting songs go to Rihanna for the prices of $1,500-$2,500 depending on how desperate they are & then campaigning for their song to be the Single which is unlikely since those go first to the Dr. Luke & Calvin Harris's of the world...

Perfect example... it's this writer named "Tiffany"... I won't give her real name... but she wrote on 2 of Rihanna's last albums... both have gone Platinum. She always posts photos of her in big studios like Larabee's & Record Plant & hanging out with people like Chris Brown & always at posting pics of her at Warner Bros offices & Atlantic & at pool parties & Award Shows...

To people who don't know this game is full of smoke & mirrors they think she is "doing it" & has a lot of money & would love to be in her position...

What they don't know is she signed your standard shytty contract in 2006 & she drives a 2005 Chevy Cobalt & lives with her boyfriend (who has a real job) in a 1 bedroom apartment in Van Nuys pulling in less then Part-Time Salary at Wendy's because despite having 15 placed records in 8 years she's never had a Single... :mjpls:

The people who usually have the most money don't floss it... :mjpls:

It's a particular producer whose had a few hits in the last 2 years that has videos all over Youtube carrying himself like he's rich as hell & you all know who he is but dude is actually struggling meanwhile the average music fan couldn't pick Dr. Luke out of a lineup yet he just signed a contract a while ago for $65,000,000 from Sony... :mjpls:
 

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If I were u PERSONALLY... I would do Rap References over your beats... because you have to start looking at beats as empty ideas. Start writing your own hooks & verses in the style of popular artists or have a go to writer because its a thousand beats being swarmed through offices every month but its hardly FULL DEMO SONGS being heard in offices... but would also shop the beats separate as well in case the artist doesn't like your idea but likes the beat...

Then I would find out the "Who's Who" of the industry & start getting in contact & pitching your ideas to lower level or newly signed artists who are willing to work with up & comers because the B & A List producers & writers are out of their budget range...

It's amazing what a professional phonecall can do for cats if you just know who to talk to & how to approach them...

preciate the advice greatly.

by rap references/hooks do you mean actually having spitters over them or just pitching an idea through text? I can easily write some very good rhymes/hooks (if the pay wasn't so shyt I could and easily would be an english major).

your words make a lot of sense fam. you need to post in this bytch more. Its nice to have a view of the industry.
 

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... & the sample didn't even make or break the song... dude could've cashed out at $700,000... a sample cost him $690,000... :wow:

shyt is :demonic:

:dahell: da fuk breh

let me guess, it was a sample thats known yeah?

good thing i be sampling from old movies and ps1 games :mjpls:

just a quick question, how was puffy able to make the no way out album successful if all the songs contained samples everybody knew? he wasnt even trying to hide it, he wanted all that shyt on the radio
 

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:dahell: da fuk breh

let me guess, it was a sample thats known yeah?

good thing i be sampling from old movies and ps1 games :mjpls:

just a quick question, how was puffy able to make the no way out album successful if all the songs contained samples everybody knew? he wasnt even trying to hide it, he wanted all that shyt on the radio

Diddy understood that sometimes you have to take an L to eventually get a W. A lot of cats will sacrifice publishing especially since in those days Tour money was greater. So Diddy could have a Hit & make no money but having the Hit would guarantee sold out shows which equals more money in the long run...

The thing is... whoever owns the publishing of the original piece of music can DEMAND whatever they want from it. That's why people have to get clearance... not necessarily to USE the Sample but to also make sure the person who controls the publishing won't be an a$$hole about it. In this particular case the "family" who owned the publishing wanted basically 100% of the Writer's half (50%... the other 50% goes to the artist) of the Song simply because they weren't doing well at the time... happens a LOT... cats just don't always hear about it...

Disco D basically committed suicide because he was on a Multi-Platinum Album & because he used a Sample he didn't get any money from it... I mean it was a number of things that I'm sure lead to his demise but this was DEFINITELY the nail in the coffin...
 

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Diddy understood that sometimes you have to take an L to eventually get a W. A lot of cats will sacrifice publishing especially since in those days Tour money was greater. So Diddy could have a Hit & make no money but having the Hit would guarantee sold out shows which equals more money in the long run...

The thing is... whoever owns the publishing of the original piece of music can DEMAND whatever they want from it. That's why people have to get clearance... not necessarily to USE the Sample but to also make sure the person who controls the publishing won't be an a$$hole about it. In this particular case the "family" who owned the publishing wanted basically 100% of the Writer's half (50%... the other 50% goes to the artist) of the Song simply because they weren't doing well at the time... happens a LOT... cats just don't always hear about it...

Disco D basically committed suicide because he was on a Multi-Platinum Album & because he used a Sample he didn't get any money from it... I mean it was a number of things that I'm sure lead to his demise but this was DEFINITELY the nail in the coffin...

makes sense with what diddy did i guess.

oh and most cases with older funk and soul records, the label that put them out most of the time have the publishing to those records right?

shame about disco d tbh
 

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Roc Nation throws "Writing Camps" for some of their artists. I am currently in the Rihanna & Rita Ora writing camps for their next albums. I was fortunate to have made a killing off of Music Videos during the 35mm Adapter Boom that happened around 2006-2009 before the T2i made it possible for any idiot with a camera to achieve 24fps & Depth Of Field at a ridiculously low price...

Having had made a killing I was able to move around & live in different cities & make money so I never was desperate for money. The average cat chasing a Record Deal is unemployed, living with their parents or off of their girlfriend so when someone dangles $25,000 in front of them they jump at it but they don't realize those contracts are for 3-5 years... you know how much you'd have to stretch $25,000 to last 3-5 years? And keep in mind these people have to work out of cities like LA & NY where living is not cheap...

Not only that but most of these cats usually go get a whip & their own place so in theory they've spent a good $5,000-$7,000 just getting off the ground & more then likely dudes love to have expensive clothing & fake it like they're eating when they really just crippled themselves to having $15,000 over the next 3-5 years unless they hit a #1 & even then that doesn't always get people out of their carefully worded contracts... :mjpls:

Most of these dudes out here in Hollywood are living a fake flossing life where you see them on Youtube with some nice clothes, nice chain that was probably a gift & a nice car but at the end of the day they go back to their studio apartments in Van Nuys... :mjpls:

Cats are letting songs go to Rihanna for the prices of $1,500-$2,500 depending on how desperate they are & then campaigning for their song to be the Single which is unlikely since those go first to the Dr. Luke & Calvin Harris's of the world...

Perfect example... it's this writer named "Tiffany"... I won't give her real name... but she wrote on 2 of Rihanna's last albums... both have gone Platinum. She always posts photos of her in big studios like Larabee's & Record Plant & hanging out with people like Chris Brown & always at posting pics of her at Warner Bros offices & Atlantic & at pool parties & Award Shows...

To people who don't know this game is full of smoke & mirrors they think she is "doing it" & has a lot of money & would love to be in her position...

What they don't know is she signed your standard shytty contract in 2006 & she drives a 2005 Chevy Cobalt & lives with her boyfriend (who has a real job) in a 1 bedroom apartment in Van Nuys pulling in less then Part-Time Salary at Wendy's because despite having 15 placed records in 8 years she's never had a Single... :mjpls:

The people who usually have the most money don't floss it... :mjpls:

It's a particular producer whose had a few hits in the last 2 years that has videos all over Youtube carrying himself like he's rich as hell & you all know who he is but dude is actually struggling meanwhile the average music fan couldn't pick Dr. Luke out of a lineup yet he just signed a contract a while ago for $65,000,000 from Sony... :mjpls:
Music, entertainment, sports are all winners take all careers. How are enterprising/up and coming songwriters/producers making money these days versus the major players? Are the monies in the writing camps? Is music single where its at? What about songs with samples?
 

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makes sense with what diddy did i guess.

oh and most cases with older funk and soul records, the label that put them out most of the time have the publishing to those records right?

shame about disco d tbh

Yep... you think the deals these days are bad the fukkery that ensued when the music industry was still fresh was 100x worse... :wow:
 

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Music, entertainment, sports are all winners take all careers. How are enterprising/up and coming songwriters/producers making money these days versus the major players? Are the monies in the writing camps? Is music single where its at? What about songs with samples?

Entertainment is a world where you get paid off of your Talent + Popularity & that requires a little bit of strategizing. It's all about who you know but how you get to know those people takes time, patience & persistance... after a while it would be very hard to ignore talent...

Your Popularity/Name/Brand is *EVERYTHING*... your reputation decides your career...

Most successful musicians I see scored a hit within' five years of their original deal & used that money to venture into other areas of business while maintaining their respective roles in whatever entertainment field they are in...
 

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Yep... you think the deals these days are bad the fukkery that ensued when the music industry was still fresh was 100x worse... :wow:

yeah i remember watching this video about blowfly and that shyt happened to him.

so tell me this as this has always been on my mind and you know your stuff, lets say i sample some un recognizable shyt that no one knows about and i pass it on to rappers on a major, would the label try and ask if the track is sampled? and can i lie and say no this shyt is orginal? lol like how Madlib dont clear a lot of his samples
 

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yeah i remember watching this video about blowfly and that shyt happened to him.

so tell me this as this has always been on my mind and you know your stuff, lets say i sample some un recognizable shyt that no one knows about and i pass it on to rappers on a major, would the label try and ask if the track is sampled? and can i lie and say no this shyt is orginal? lol like how Madlib dont clear a lot of his samples

That law changed a couple years back... it used to be allowed to bypass clearance for un unrecognizable Sample but now ALL samples have to be paid for whether they're known or not... it's kinda confusing but it's basically why you don't hear a lot of it today from big producers anymore... it's a business... these cats wanna get paid...
 
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